EXACTLY!!!!!! Spot on my man!!!!!
| FTBL The Good, The Bad and The Ugly vs. Vandy?
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EXACTLY!!!!!! Spot on my man!!!!!
Bammerboy321
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This is pretty frustrating. It's not Deboer's MO, but there's time you have to regroup your guys and challenge them. Both Kirby and Schumann were in their players grill in the first and second half of last week's game.
No one stood up leadership wise. No coaches nor players. It wasn't until the game was over when we saw Malichi Moore really express his disapproval to the result.
'65 Cobra
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How about 2007? If you want to compare, then compare both first years. Look, this loss is humiliating. But Saban lost to MSU and LA- MONROE - a Sunbelt school at the time! That loss was just as humiliating and he followed that up by losing to Auburn. It looks terrible right now, but it's an all new staff with all new players to them and it's their fifth game in. Saban lost to La Monroe the 11th game in. They'll learn from this... at least they better!
There’s a huge difference, the cupboard was empty for Saban. The cupboard is full for Deboer. Now I think they’ll do better in the future, but damn. Vanderbilt????? Sheesh!!!!!!! Should throttle them, every time!!
Bammerboy321
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For what it's worth too, Deboer lost a pretty big head scratcher to Arizona State in his first year at Washington. People said that was more of a Washington problem, but it's never a program problem - always a coaching deal. Deboer has won a ton a games, but a lot of them are close games. His teams at Washington won big games, but also played down to their competition (and still won).
Alabama historically perfomed terribly against Vanderbilt and Ole Miss on the road in basketball....until Oats. Coaching is always the biggest factor.
Alabama historically perfomed terribly against Vanderbilt and Ole Miss on the road in basketball....until Oats. Coaching is always the biggest factor.
Rolltide24
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Good - Williams. Man, how many warts is he going to cover up for our offense this year? I’ve never seen a college receiver make the catches and runs he’s making. Penalties overall were down… Walked through Vandy’s sorority row, damn at the talent and diversity, flat out (no pun intended) incredible. Not all blond Caucasian with a fake tan. Best part of the night.
Bad - Timing of our boneheaded penalties. Kept Vandy on the field with a lousy hands to the face on 3rd down and lining up and covering the snapper on the only first half punt. Boneheaded. Moore pitching a hissy fit on the last possession for Vandy when they were carving us up. Our D was hollering at each other and throwing mouthpieces, do that stuff on the sideline. Not a good look. The lack of energy from the start was noticeable.
Ugly - Bama defense. We had no answers for that QB. He had a career night. His 4 incompletions were a drop, and 3 passes defended. He didn’t miss a single throw. Embarrassed us tonight. In the last 6 quarters, opponents reached 3rd down 30 times, and either scored or made it to 1st down 24 times. Some of those took 4th down to convert. 2 of the 6 unsuccessful downs resulted in field goals. Just pitiful to say the least. The cocky Vandy fans, never been around Vandy fans who were actually cocky, usually they are self deprecating. The holes in our defensive line, just uuuuuugly. Some holes would have accepted a double-wide. Milroe’s 2 turnovers (they scored 14 points on those turnovers).
The most ugly - Hearing the stadium announcer scream “Vanderbilt just beat Alabama!” when the clock expired. Words I never thought I’d hear.
I speak often of the 2010 USCe game, where Garcia played like Peyton Manning, we got behind early and never could get caught up. This game felt eerily like it.
Bad - Timing of our boneheaded penalties. Kept Vandy on the field with a lousy hands to the face on 3rd down and lining up and covering the snapper on the only first half punt. Boneheaded. Moore pitching a hissy fit on the last possession for Vandy when they were carving us up. Our D was hollering at each other and throwing mouthpieces, do that stuff on the sideline. Not a good look. The lack of energy from the start was noticeable.
Ugly - Bama defense. We had no answers for that QB. He had a career night. His 4 incompletions were a drop, and 3 passes defended. He didn’t miss a single throw. Embarrassed us tonight. In the last 6 quarters, opponents reached 3rd down 30 times, and either scored or made it to 1st down 24 times. Some of those took 4th down to convert. 2 of the 6 unsuccessful downs resulted in field goals. Just pitiful to say the least. The cocky Vandy fans, never been around Vandy fans who were actually cocky, usually they are self deprecating. The holes in our defensive line, just uuuuuugly. Some holes would have accepted a double-wide. Milroe’s 2 turnovers (they scored 14 points on those turnovers).
The most ugly - Hearing the stadium announcer scream “Vanderbilt just beat Alabama!” when the clock expired. Words I never thought I’d hear.
I speak often of the 2010 USCe game, where Garcia played like Peyton Manning, we got behind early and never could get caught up. This game felt eerily like it.
I think the first half of the georgia game was the fluke, because we could not maintain it nor did we at any point today even appear to be a shadow of that effort.
We continue to see WRs running wide open BEHIND our defense. And Vandy connected on a big one for a score.
and just a note on officiating.... the no targeting call... Either get together and determine what the hell it is, or STOP calling it at all. Same with roughing the passer. that was bullSH?T.
Good- Ryan Williams!
Bad- Special Teams coach that either subbed Brown and Williams in at the same time, or the dumbass that failed to notice it. Continued drive then followed it up with a bullshit roughing the passer call- led to points. Penalties and turnovers!
Ugly- play like you can sleepwalk and win and you get your ass beat. Uninspired and no focus! Shitty tackling!! Shit defensive plan. Vandy is improved, but they shouldn’t have been within 3 TDs of us.
Bad- Special Teams coach that either subbed Brown and Williams in at the same time, or the dumbass that failed to notice it. Continued drive then followed it up with a bullshit roughing the passer call- led to points. Penalties and turnovers!
Ugly- play like you can sleepwalk and win and you get your ass beat. Uninspired and no focus! Shitty tackling!! Shit defensive plan. Vandy is improved, but they shouldn’t have been within 3 TDs of us.
This but I would add coaches also. I have not watched assistent coaches interview. I want to hear what the head man has to say not the assistents and I sure do not care what a 17 year kid has to say in his pod cast. I have not listend to any of this and do not plan on it. All this crap does not win football games.
Went to the game today, not a to of fun. Would like to see the tv replay before going too deep into some things, but here's what I walk away with...
Good- Milroe actually did some good things overall, but he sure didn't seem to get much help... he was swimming against the current all game it looked like.
Bad- DL play, again... just way too inconsistent. But, the defense as a whole was on their heels a lot, Vandy was one step ahead all game, which is a credit to them. They called about a perfect game.
Needed more out of the run game, much more.
Also, while I try to walk softly when it comes to targeting the poor play of a player in some areas, Pritchett showed on the Milroe sack/fumble why he can't be counted on. I know Formby struggled, but he was trusted between the ears, which gave him a leg up early on. Not sure if it was shown on TV, but Pritchett lost his cool on the play before, had to be calmed down by a teammate as he was likely headed for an unsportsmanlike penalty. Then he walks to the line, still frazzled and all into his feelings, and lets the guy run right by him, BAM, sack, fumble. He walls off the field, pissed that he let it happen, and slams his helmet to the turf (after a brief conversation with DeBoer).
If you're going to return a kickoff from this point onward this season, DON'T FUMBLE IT.
Vandy's stadium sucks.
Ugly- 3rd down defense has been stout all year... terrible today. Vandy was 12-18 and 1-1 on 4th. Wommack is going to have to get some things fixed. Most disheartening thing, not being able to get a stop on Vandy's last drive when they really just lined up and made Bama their bitch.
I left the game just as the penalty on Moore was happening for kicking the ball, so I didn't see it, only knew a flag was thrown. Unacceptable. On one hand, I guess I'm glad it meant something to him... he showed some fire, but damn. Use it to make some plays, not look like a 5 year old kid having a meltdown on the cereal aisle.
Pretty much everything else too.... BUT... Having two #2's on the field at the same time. Look, a lot of stuff went wrong, some dumb mistakes, some dumb calls, all sorts of dumb. HAVING TWO #2 ON THE FIELD AT THE SAME TIME IS A LEVEL OF INCOMPETENCE THAT IS HARD TO EVEN FATHOM. That can't happen in a HS game, it sure a hell can't happen an in SEC game. Zero excuses. That isn't having 12 guys on the field, which would be bad enough, it's DUPLICATE NUMBERS. Why? It almost happened a week ago, but was saved by an assistant. Nobody figured at that point, hey, maybe we need to fix this shit? I just don't get it. I wanted to kill someone. Still do, to be honest.
Good- Milroe actually did some good things overall, but he sure didn't seem to get much help... he was swimming against the current all game it looked like.
Bad- DL play, again... just way too inconsistent. But, the defense as a whole was on their heels a lot, Vandy was one step ahead all game, which is a credit to them. They called about a perfect game.
Needed more out of the run game, much more.
Also, while I try to walk softly when it comes to targeting the poor play of a player in some areas, Pritchett showed on the Milroe sack/fumble why he can't be counted on. I know Formby struggled, but he was trusted between the ears, which gave him a leg up early on. Not sure if it was shown on TV, but Pritchett lost his cool on the play before, had to be calmed down by a teammate as he was likely headed for an unsportsmanlike penalty. Then he walks to the line, still frazzled and all into his feelings, and lets the guy run right by him, BAM, sack, fumble. He walls off the field, pissed that he let it happen, and slams his helmet to the turf (after a brief conversation with DeBoer).
If you're going to return a kickoff from this point onward this season, DON'T FUMBLE IT.
Vandy's stadium sucks.
Ugly- 3rd down defense has been stout all year... terrible today. Vandy was 12-18 and 1-1 on 4th. Wommack is going to have to get some things fixed. Most disheartening thing, not being able to get a stop on Vandy's last drive when they really just lined up and made Bama their bitch.
I left the game just as the penalty on Moore was happening for kicking the ball, so I didn't see it, only knew a flag was thrown. Unacceptable. On one hand, I guess I'm glad it meant something to him... he showed some fire, but damn. Use it to make some plays, not look like a 5 year old kid having a meltdown on the cereal aisle.
Pretty much everything else too.... BUT... Having two #2's on the field at the same time. Look, a lot of stuff went wrong, some dumb mistakes, some dumb calls, all sorts of dumb. HAVING TWO #2 ON THE FIELD AT THE SAME TIME IS A LEVEL OF INCOMPETENCE THAT IS HARD TO EVEN FATHOM. That can't happen in a HS game, it sure a hell can't happen an in SEC game. Zero excuses. That isn't having 12 guys on the field, which would be bad enough, it's DUPLICATE NUMBERS. Why? It almost happened a week ago, but was saved by an assistant. Nobody figured at that point, hey, maybe we need to fix this shit? I just don't get it. I wanted to kill someone. Still do, to be honest.
Rolltide24
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Dang, Vandy just converted another 3rd down
I failed to mention, time of possession…
Vandy - 42 mins
Bama - 18 mins.
I don’t remember any game in college or NFL where a team lost the TOP by that margin
I failed to mention, time of possession…
Vandy - 42 mins
Bama - 18 mins.
I don’t remember any game in college or NFL where a team lost the TOP by that margin
BamaFan334
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Good - I missed being able to watch the game due to my son's football game. Ryan Williams continues to shine. Que Robinson appeared to have a few nice stops. Germie Bernard making some very nice plays.
Bad - Without watching the game and only seeing highlights, the defense continuing to get drilled and allowing so many yards after contact. How do you go in and dominate Georgia (for a half anyways), and then get bullied by Vanderbilt? I keep reading about the Moore penalty at the end of the game, but then see him chasing a receiver on 4th down into the end zone that let them score, so are you being a punk that wants to complain rather than perform or are you legitimately frustrated with your own performance and how a captain let his team down? I also do not see how Milroe tries to throw a pass after crossing the line of scrimmage by a yard or more, again. it happened last year and one would expect that to not happen with another year under his belt, apparent awareness growth, being a captain, and knowing he trusts his legs so much. Makes zero sense to me, but it all goes into awareness and preparation. Hate he gets sacked and fumbles with a guy coming from his front side, not backside.
Ugly - How a team could get so arrogant and fall on their faces. You go out and beat the "new kings of college football", tout "we're still the standard", and then lose to a team that lost to Georgia State. Been warned all week with mouse traps in the facility. Saw tape on how good their quarterback was. I even made note of it on here how good he was and to watch out. If a casual fan catches it, how the heck can you not? All the interviews, social media, NIL communication and focus, and then you come out and lose to a lesser team? Yeah, focus on football is not what is happening and it is concerning. NIL has brought parity to the sport and that is clear with #1, #4, #9, #10, and #11 losing today where #8 should have lost and #2 and #6 lost the week before. The game is sloppy, if it's not primetime with hype and media surrounding it, it seems to be a more meh kind of game where there are lots of mistakes, and it's just not the type of ball I think most of us are used to seeing as a whole. Genie is out of the bottle and it'll never be the same, but it also kills me to see million dollar coaches not expecting more and being able to adjust. Zero reason we should be getting bullied by Vanderbilt. Probably one player to our ten that could match up? Maybe even a worse ratio, but their entire offense seemed to steamroll our entire defense.
Ugly Part 2 - We held the world in our hands for a week and truly had the SEC and our Playoff chances firmly in grasp. Well, we lost all of that and are now in a position where we are looking up to Texas A&M and Texas. Georgia is now back in the hunt, luckily Tennessee dropped the ball, but we had a squeaky clean opportunity and fumbled it no more than six days after we had it made in the shade. Now we have to get through LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Missouri, and Auburn just about unscathed. After seeing this I am unsure. If it were a Saban team, I wouldn't be as concerned as I know what to expect. I do not know how a DeBoer team will respond simply due to the schedule we have in front of us. Care absolutely zero about what happened in his past as it has about as much to do with the loss today as it does for any game moving forward. Sure, we played well with our backs against the wall last year, but can this team, this season, with these coaches do the same? Will be more nerve racking moving forward as Tennessee, South Carolina, and Missouri all look to rebound from losses in the next number of weeks.
Edit Added - Terrible - Our defensive line is awful. Kept getting praised for their work against Wisconsin even though they were overmatched, but I still haven't seen any pressure provided by those guys this year. We only get pressure when we blitz, and that cannot be the case. We need a true edge rusher and they need to find one quick, because the more we drop into coverage the more we get eaten alive by any quarterback with a pulse. 80% completion percentage today. Beck was around 60% in the second Half when we dropped more (4:30AM math and running through a play by play if correct).
Bad - Without watching the game and only seeing highlights, the defense continuing to get drilled and allowing so many yards after contact. How do you go in and dominate Georgia (for a half anyways), and then get bullied by Vanderbilt? I keep reading about the Moore penalty at the end of the game, but then see him chasing a receiver on 4th down into the end zone that let them score, so are you being a punk that wants to complain rather than perform or are you legitimately frustrated with your own performance and how a captain let his team down? I also do not see how Milroe tries to throw a pass after crossing the line of scrimmage by a yard or more, again. it happened last year and one would expect that to not happen with another year under his belt, apparent awareness growth, being a captain, and knowing he trusts his legs so much. Makes zero sense to me, but it all goes into awareness and preparation. Hate he gets sacked and fumbles with a guy coming from his front side, not backside.
Ugly - How a team could get so arrogant and fall on their faces. You go out and beat the "new kings of college football", tout "we're still the standard", and then lose to a team that lost to Georgia State. Been warned all week with mouse traps in the facility. Saw tape on how good their quarterback was. I even made note of it on here how good he was and to watch out. If a casual fan catches it, how the heck can you not? All the interviews, social media, NIL communication and focus, and then you come out and lose to a lesser team? Yeah, focus on football is not what is happening and it is concerning. NIL has brought parity to the sport and that is clear with #1, #4, #9, #10, and #11 losing today where #8 should have lost and #2 and #6 lost the week before. The game is sloppy, if it's not primetime with hype and media surrounding it, it seems to be a more meh kind of game where there are lots of mistakes, and it's just not the type of ball I think most of us are used to seeing as a whole. Genie is out of the bottle and it'll never be the same, but it also kills me to see million dollar coaches not expecting more and being able to adjust. Zero reason we should be getting bullied by Vanderbilt. Probably one player to our ten that could match up? Maybe even a worse ratio, but their entire offense seemed to steamroll our entire defense.
Ugly Part 2 - We held the world in our hands for a week and truly had the SEC and our Playoff chances firmly in grasp. Well, we lost all of that and are now in a position where we are looking up to Texas A&M and Texas. Georgia is now back in the hunt, luckily Tennessee dropped the ball, but we had a squeaky clean opportunity and fumbled it no more than six days after we had it made in the shade. Now we have to get through LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Missouri, and Auburn just about unscathed. After seeing this I am unsure. If it were a Saban team, I wouldn't be as concerned as I know what to expect. I do not know how a DeBoer team will respond simply due to the schedule we have in front of us. Care absolutely zero about what happened in his past as it has about as much to do with the loss today as it does for any game moving forward. Sure, we played well with our backs against the wall last year, but can this team, this season, with these coaches do the same? Will be more nerve racking moving forward as Tennessee, South Carolina, and Missouri all look to rebound from losses in the next number of weeks.
Edit Added - Terrible - Our defensive line is awful. Kept getting praised for their work against Wisconsin even though they were overmatched, but I still haven't seen any pressure provided by those guys this year. We only get pressure when we blitz, and that cannot be the case. We need a true edge rusher and they need to find one quick, because the more we drop into coverage the more we get eaten alive by any quarterback with a pulse. 80% completion percentage today. Beck was around 60% in the second Half when we dropped more (4:30AM math and running through a play by play if correct).
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50+yeartidefan
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Its funny. I went to bed last night thinking....
In 1969 ...bama had just come off in one of most thrilling games ever...
Manning vs Hunter. ...ole ms vs bama....bama 33-ole ms 32... beyond exciting...back and forth... writers proclaiming bama best in land...
One of few night games that had been televised... incredible...
next week...lost to ....vandy.... ...laid an egg
Just wanted to share another painful memory
In 1969 ...bama had just come off in one of most thrilling games ever...
Manning vs Hunter. ...ole ms vs bama....bama 33-ole ms 32... beyond exciting...back and forth... writers proclaiming bama best in land...
One of few night games that had been televised... incredible...
next week...lost to ....vandy.... ...laid an egg
Just wanted to share another painful memory
I was talking about that 1969 game. By the way, that was the first night game that ABC television.
50+yeartidefan
Member
Glad we can share painful memories...
So 50+ years. The pain is still there...so for all that think the pain goes away....it doesn't!
That 1984 game is still in those memories.
50+yeartidefan
Member
I have chosen to forget that game. After Bear it took a couple years to re light the "Bama football fire".
Good - Almost to little to mention. Williams and maybe Bernard were the bright spots.
Bad - Turnovers leading to points.
Ugly - Defense not showing up. Tackling is almost non existent. Grabbing way too much and grabbing high on the ball carrier getting knocked back or drug around like a rag doll. Just a poor, lackadaisical performance. Way too much chirping going on when you are behind on the scoreboard to a team with inferior talent. Getting off the field on third down would be nice. It seems we are no longer "playing with emotion" but just plain emotional. Losing composure....we better find some leadership and accountability.
Disappointing - Maybe just a sign of the times. A 'heartfelt" message from Milroe popped up on my feed. The content of the message was good, but it lost me when the tag at the bottom was a sales pitch for a hoodie....
Bad - Turnovers leading to points.
Ugly - Defense not showing up. Tackling is almost non existent. Grabbing way too much and grabbing high on the ball carrier getting knocked back or drug around like a rag doll. Just a poor, lackadaisical performance. Way too much chirping going on when you are behind on the scoreboard to a team with inferior talent. Getting off the field on third down would be nice. It seems we are no longer "playing with emotion" but just plain emotional. Losing composure....we better find some leadership and accountability.
Disappointing - Maybe just a sign of the times. A 'heartfelt" message from Milroe popped up on my feed. The content of the message was good, but it lost me when the tag at the bottom was a sales pitch for a hoodie....
