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Who’s the good exactly? The “chosen” people that murder innocent people damn near daily?
| CURRENT EVENTS Israel is about to unleash some hell...
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I’m aware of how they came to power and took control of Gaza.
Please tell me the difference between Hamas and Israel when they do the same exact thing?
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Israel has killed Palestinian children in many of the same ways and yet you don’t criticize Israel.
You talk about “the hell they are unleashing”, have you thought for just a second that Palestinians feel the same way about their children and babies?
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They’re wrong for their “tracking” of the 6 billion if they actually said that. It wasn’t given to Iran
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1Thessalonians ch2
13 For this reason, we also thank God without ceasing that when you received from us the word of God’s message, you accepted it not as the word of men, but, as it is in truth: the word of God. And it is at work in you who believe!
14 Indeed, brethren, you became imitators of the Churches of God in Christ Jesus which are in Judea, for you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews.
15 They killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and they drove us out. Their conduct does not please God and makes them the enemies of the entire human race
16 as they want to prevent us from speaking to the Gentiles, so that they may be saved. They are still bringing their sins to full measure, but the wrath is finally coming upon them.
Acts ch7
43 You took up the tabernacle of Moloch, the star of your god Remphan, the figures to which you expressed adoration. * [Therefore] I will carry you away* beyond Babylon.
The star of Remphan is what is referred to today as the Star of David. It had nothing to do with David but was during Solomon’s reign.
The Jews are not the chosen people as they rejected Jesus. The Church is the chosen people since that time.
Eight Homilies Against the Jews - Wikisource, the free online library
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God vs Satan, who you got? I’ve read the back of the Book and God wins.,,
Those that murder and do not repent will pay for their sins eternally. Anyone that sins will do likewise if there is no repentance.
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Let me put this mildly and easy to understand in case I haven’t been before I don’t agree with what they did to the Israeli civilians, had they taken it to the government of Israel that’s a different story
Egypt also said the Palestinians could come there after Israel started bombing Gaza and when the people tried leaving Israel bombed them, so again I’ll ask what’s the difference between Hamas and Israel when they do the same damn thing?
Neither of your statements are true. IDF did not entice people to an area to bomb them. They are doing exactly the opposite. Indeed, they are bombing in the south because that's where portions of the incursion occurred, not because they've led people to get bombed. Keep in mind the entire area is small, with over 2 million inhabitants. If Israel wanted to kill as many non-combatants as they could, those first 250 sorties would've killed far, far more than the initial reported numbers. You know this, but it doesn't fit your narrative that Israel and Hamas are identical.
Egypt discusses Gaza aid, rejects corridors for civilians, say sources
Egypt has discussed plans with the United States and others to provide humanitarian aid through its border with Gaza Strip but rejects any move to set up safe corridors for refugees fleeing the enclave, Egyptian security sources said on Wednesday.
Egypt moves to prevent exodus of Palestinians from besieged Gaza
Egypt is moving to avert a mass exodus from the Gaza Strip into its Sinai Peninsula, as Israeli bombardment halted crossings at the main exit point from the Palestinian enclave on Tuesday, Gaza officials and Egyptian security sources said.
From the NYT article I posted earlier:
I’m talking about the bien-pensant for whom anti-Zionism — not just legitimate opposition to various aspects of Israeli policy, but the denial of Israel’s right to exist in any form — is a respectable political position, rather than simply an updated form of antisemitism. I’m talking about United Nations rapporteurs and once-great human-rights organizations who traffic in the lie that Israel deliberately created an “open-air prison” in Gaza, never mind that Gaza shares a border with Egypt, or that Israel vacated the territory nearly 20 years ago only to be repaid by endless assaults from above and below the ground.
They are warning residents to evacuate certain areas...why would state media tell them to ignore IDF warnings and to "stand together" if no warnings were being made? You are splitting hairs, and you've no corners left in which to paint yourself.
Israel does not equal Hamas.
Refreeze sounds like it's currently unfrozen...
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They’re giving them warnings then murdering them, you’re right Israel is being real sweet
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They are bombing them, I posted a video yesterday of them doing so….a simple click on the damn play button will show that, but that in fact goes against your sweetheart Israel bullshit narrative.Neither of your statements are true. IDF did not entice people to an area to bomb them. They are doing exactly the opposite. Indeed, they are bombing in the south because that's where portions of the incursion occurred, not because they've led people to get bombed. Keep in mind the entire area is small, with over 2 million inhabitants. If Israel wanted to kill as many non-combatants as they could, those first 250 sorties would've killed far, far more than the initial reported numbers. You know this, but it doesn't fit your narrative that Israel and Hamas are identical.
Egypt discusses Gaza aid, rejects corridors for civilians, say sources
Egypt has discussed plans with the United States and others to provide humanitarian aid through its border with Gaza Strip but rejects any move to set up safe corridors for refugees fleeing the enclave, Egyptian security sources said on Wednesday.www.reuters.com
Egypt moves to prevent exodus of Palestinians from besieged Gaza
Egypt is moving to avert a mass exodus from the Gaza Strip into its Sinai Peninsula, as Israeli bombardment halted crossings at the main exit point from the Palestinian enclave on Tuesday, Gaza officials and Egyptian security sources said.
From the NYT article I posted earlier:
I’m talking about the bien-pensant for whom anti-Zionism — not just legitimate opposition to various aspects of Israeli policy, but the denial of Israel’s right to exist in any form — is a respectable political position, rather than simply an updated form of antisemitism. I’m talking about United Nations rapporteurs and once-great human-rights organizations who traffic in the lie that Israel deliberately created an “open-air prison” in Gaza, never mind that Gaza shares a border with Egypt, or that Israel vacated the territory nearly 20 years ago only to be repaid by endless assaults from above and below the ground.
Posting NYT opinion pieces isn’t anything other than one person’s opinion. Israel hasn’t vacated Gaza and it most definitely is an open air prison, it’s not hard to find that out, but I get it seeing proof would put a dent in the entire Israel is wonderful. Palestinians online have shown proof of everything I’ve said, but again it doesn’t show Israel in the fake prism of being sweethearts and shit, so I get why you wouldn’t want to see actual proof.
Two differences between Hamas and Israel- one side is brown and one is white and one has America’s backing and one doesn’t, those are the only differences.
I’ll leave you with two things-
Israel's apartheid against Palestinians
Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...
www.amnesty.org
And there are Palestinian Christian’s being murdered by the great white hope of Israel, but that’s ok as long as it’s Israel doing the murdering, any Christian that is fine with innocent people being murdered is no more of a Christian than I am and they’ll be next to me for eternity if the bible and god happens to be true and real.
Sorry last thing then I’m done with this thread- I know you won’t, but go talk to a Palestinian about how wonderful Israel is to Palestinians. I have- my doctoral advisor is Palestinian and his entire family is from Gaza, I didn’t get my views from some stupid opinion piece, politicians, or the media
Thanks for the debate
Israel links Gaza aid to hostages' release as humanitarian disaster looms
Gaza moved closer to a humanitarian catastrophe on Thursday as the death toll rose and vital supplies ran low, while Israel massed tanks on the enclave's border ahead of an anticipated ground invasion amid international calls for restraint.
If Israel was killing Gazans indiscriminately, there would be deaths in then tens of thousands. You know this. You should also know that from '67 to '07, before Egypt and Israel sealed their borders with Gaza due to Hamas, Gaza was integrated into the Israeli economy. In exchange for a chance at peace, Israel removed Israeli settlers from Gaza. The radicalism of Hamas, including their butchery of any Gazan opposition, is what keeps Gaza from having a chance at peace and access to Sinai and Israel.
As noted in the quote and link above, the Biden administration is saying Israel is acting just as the U.S. would. In your eyes, I guess this makes the U.S., under the Biden administration, just like Hamas.
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Khalid Mashal, leader and founding member of Mamas, has called for Muslims all around the world to embrace a day of global jihad
this Friday the 13'th.
I hope everyone is aware of this and aware of the possibilities that could happen. With all the people who have crossed our southern border
the passed 3 years , un-vetted and spread around the country, maybe strategically. Hell, who knows how many are Muslim jihadist, grouped
together in sleeper cells waiting for the call to wake up.
Especially for you who live in or around large cities or heavily populated areas, stay alert, eyes open and on your toes.
this Friday the 13'th.
I hope everyone is aware of this and aware of the possibilities that could happen. With all the people who have crossed our southern border
the passed 3 years , un-vetted and spread around the country, maybe strategically. Hell, who knows how many are Muslim jihadist, grouped
together in sleeper cells waiting for the call to wake up.
Especially for you who live in or around large cities or heavily populated areas, stay alert, eyes open and on your toes.
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You very simply refuse anything that doesn’t support you. I’ve shown a video of Israel bombing innocent people on one of two roads out of Gaza man, I’ve shared articles that supports what I’ve been saying, but you simply refuse anything not agreeing with you. This isn’t up for debate Israel has killed thousands of Palestinians, they went against the Osso Accords that they agreed on for shit sake, they’re bombing innocent civilians now and you continue to say how preciously sweet that asshole government is. Go talk to a Palestinian (I know you won’t), go read a book by Palestinian (again I know you won’t).Israel links Gaza aid to hostages' release as humanitarian disaster looms
Gaza moved closer to a humanitarian catastrophe on Thursday as the death toll rose and vital supplies ran low, while Israel massed tanks on the enclave's border ahead of an anticipated ground invasion amid international calls for restraint.
If Israel was killing Gazans indiscriminately, there would be deaths in then tens of thousands. You know this. You should also know that from '67 to '07, before Egypt and Israel sealed their borders with Gaza due to Hamas, Gaza was integrated into the Israeli economy. In exchange for a chance at peace, Israel removed Israeli settlers from Gaza. The radicalism of Hamas, including their butchery of any Gazan opposition, is what keeps Gaza from having a chance at peace and access to Sinai and Israel.
As noted in the quote and link above, the Biden administration is saying Israel is acting just as the U.S. would. In your eyes, I guess this makes the U.S., under the Biden administration, just like Hamas.
Anyway, now I’m really done with this thread.
The US and their stance with Israel are about as clear as mud is. This administration and the hypocrisy and lies that swirl around it would make any logical thinking sound like a conspiracy. The warmongers are from both sides of the political spectrum. (FACT) Having been involved in war, nothing about it will be fair, correct, decent, or with truth. The MSM will also bring their own agenda. I have seen this up close and watched them at work during Desert Shield/Storm. Yes, there are good people in Palestine, yes there are good people in Israel. Just as there are bad in each. Hamas, Hezbollah, Isis.. so forth and so on, not so much. They have a tactic they have used since the beginning of time and that's to sacrifice anything for their expanded beliefs. Death to Infidels. Pride is the real reason this is as bad as it is along with racism. I find neither of those appealing nor do I support an Ideology that wants to wipe the earth of who they oppose because of their beliefs.
So, with that said, I stand with Israel.
I am a Christian; I do not see myself as better than anyone here regardless of their race or beliefs. I sin, screw up, have faults and fall short, but I live by this way of life.... live and let live. The US needs to start addressing our problems here instead of having our nose (tax paying money) in others. We the USA need to close our borders and should have closed them better a while back. Never even should be some 6b dollars of money tied up in another country for Iran. That alone is dumb as hell and should be questioned to the nth degree.
I end this rant with this.... I am for the American people and our way of life. (Build the Fing wall and start doing the immigrant issues the legal way again) I despise racism of all types. I hate wars. I believe in helping others humanitarianly. Not much for my taxes being pumped for war to Ukraine, IDGAF about Russia, nor do I support them or Putin just because I don't want my tax money going to a corrupt regime as Ukraine is.
So, with that said, I stand with Israel.
I am a Christian; I do not see myself as better than anyone here regardless of their race or beliefs. I sin, screw up, have faults and fall short, but I live by this way of life.... live and let live. The US needs to start addressing our problems here instead of having our nose (tax paying money) in others. We the USA need to close our borders and should have closed them better a while back. Never even should be some 6b dollars of money tied up in another country for Iran. That alone is dumb as hell and should be questioned to the nth degree.
I end this rant with this.... I am for the American people and our way of life. (Build the Fing wall and start doing the immigrant issues the legal way again) I despise racism of all types. I hate wars. I believe in helping others humanitarianly. Not much for my taxes being pumped for war to Ukraine, IDGAF about Russia, nor do I support them or Putin just because I don't want my tax money going to a corrupt regime as Ukraine is.
War is war, and civilians, particularly in one of the areas of densest population, will suffer and die. For each attack, with few exceptions, there will be complaints of collateral damage, and willing outlets to take these complaints as framed by Hamas-directed entities.
The world is not black and white, there are millions of shades. Israel is not perfect, and neither is the United States. You've not proven, and you'll never prove, that there is no difference between Hamas and Israel, or the U.S. and Hamas for that matter.
Like most Middle East events, no agreement reached. I guess I'm done, too.
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First hand accounting. I can confirm much of what she says from accounts of my superiors onboard ship when we were on Bagel Station in the early 80s. Over there when in the majority muslims are feral, I suspect it would be the same anywhere.
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Seems that Egypt gave Israel a 3 day heads up that something was going down
