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[ElephantStomp]

To be fair, I don't think it's necessarily the readers who refuse to listen to you... I think it's a case of where you're refusing to listen to what you're saying and how it's coming across as if you're supporting Hamas. I showed the posts you've made to my wife and my mother in laws without providing background and they were appalled at what you were trying to say. You know the saying... "It's not you.. it's me." You should try saying that.

I’ve stated simply and pretty clear that I’m against Hamas, so when people keep saying how I agree with Hamas then no it isn’t me.

Serious question- is your wife and mother in law conservative or liberal? Everybody has beliefs

 

[ElephantStomp]

Yeah, 6 Billion dollars worth of support.

And what do we give Israel? Also, US intelligence said there’s no proof Iran helped, but the 6 bil you speak of wasn’t released to Iran….

 

[PurlJam]

I completely disagree with the Biden admin.

I’ve also said the only difference between the Israeli government and Hamas is one is white and one is brown and one is backed up by the US.

Disagree here. Hamas will kill their own people and or use them as human shields (Palestinians) If they don't agree, follow or conform to the Hamas Ideology, but hey, they kill anyone that doesn't, so there's that. Israel does not.

Splitting hairs here, but you said only difference (singular form) and gave 2.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Disagree here. Hamas will kill their own people and or use them as human shields (Palestinians) If they don't agree, follow or conform to the Hamas Ideology, but hey, they kill anyone that doesn't, so there's that. Israel does not.

Splitting hairs here, but you said only difference (singular form) and gave 2.

True. So, there’s a third difference

 

[ElephantStomp]

First, is the bolded statement some kind of racial/ethnic reference? I am a libertarian, but I have observed that inciting race seems to be a common fallback position of the left. Perhaps you should look up the ethnic history of Jews and Palestinians.

Justneedme81 is now the second person to challenge you to take a look at your own language and how it comes across. You have also accused many in this thread of being "blind" or "blinded." How often do you ask yourself the same question? Is it possible that you are blinded - even if just to some degree - by your own ideology?

Last, in another post, you demand that someone look at the last 40 years of history. Why stop at 40? There was no history before that? I challenged you in another post of mine on the question of why you haven't excoriated the Brits in all this? Do you really know the full history of all of this?

As for the bold statement, I was stating the only differences between Hamas and the Israeli government.

When I say “I’m completely against Hamas and what they did” that’s not me being blinded by anything, that’s people not reading what I wrote. I can’t put it any simpler than that for people

Well we stop at 40 because this is about Israel and Palestine and what’s gone on since then. I do know the full history, I recommend watching the short film How Palestinians we expelled from their homes. I’d also recommend reading Palestinian writers and go talk to Palestinians.

 

[TerryP]

, I recommend watching the short film How Palestinians we expelled from their homes. I’d also recommend reading Palestinian writers and go talk to Palestinians.

This is an intriguing comment. Have you ever seen the Palestinian cartoons for kids about Israel?

Ironic, in a sense as well...I read Al Jazeera several times a week.

 

[ElephantStomp]

This is an intriguing comment. Have you ever seen the Palestinian cartoons for kids about Israel?

Ironic, in a sense as well...I read Al Jazeera several times a week.

I’ve not seen anything like that, but I don’t particularly have to. I know two Palestinians very well, my doctoral advisor is Palestinian, I know what they’re taught, but after 40 years of oppression by an apartheid government how do you think they should view them?

 

[TerryP]

I’ve not seen anything like that, but I don’t particularly have to. I know two Palestinians very well, my doctoral advisor is Palestinian, I know what they’re taught, but after 40 years of oppression by an apartheid government how do you think they should view them?

When was it Hamas took over the Gaza area...'04, '05, maybe '06? They've been ruling that area for almost two decades and that ...well, sort of conflicts with "apartheid government."

Interesting interview here I found earlier today...both right, both wrong.

 

[PurlJam]

I need someone to explain Apartheid to me. I've always understood this as a minority class having all of the political and social power in a territory they live in (South Africa) for example. I'm pretty sure the majority of Israel are Jews so that in itself rules out minority ruling class. So this kind of debunks Palestinians being under Apartheid does it not?

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

When was it Hamas took over the Gaza area...'04, '05, maybe '06? They've been ruling that area for almost two decades and that ...well, sort of conflicts with "apartheid government."

Interesting interview here I found earlier today...both right, both wrong.

I think it was one of those years that they held a military parade on the streets of Gaza, something (predictably) went haywire and there was an explosion, killing and injuring some Palestinians... Hamas tried to blame it on an attack from Israel, which of course was false.

Their emergency checklist is:
1. Blame all bad things on Israel.
2. Refer to #1.

 

[ElephantStomp]

I need someone to explain Apartheid to me. I've always understood this as a minority class having all of the political and social power in a territory they live in (South Africa) for example. I'm pretty sure the majority of Israel are Jews so that in itself rules out minority ruling class. So this kind of debunks Palestinians being under Apartheid does it not?

A policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.

 

[ElephantStomp]

When was it Hamas took over the Gaza area...'04, '05, maybe '06? They've been ruling that area for almost two decades and that ...well, sort of conflicts with "apartheid government."

Interesting interview here I found earlier today...both right, both wrong.

There’s no conflict with apartheid government, the Israeli government is in fact an apartheid government when it comes to Palestinians

I’ll give Dr West credit for going on that program to argue anything

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I've been away for 24 hours or so. In the interim, the board engagement on this thread has been impressive, and I thank you for your insight, both pro and con.

In the end, we all pull for a victory over the piggies tomorrow. Roll Tide, gentlemen.

 

[ElephantStomp]

I've been away for 24 hours or so. In the interim, the board engagement on this thread has been impressive, and I thank you for your insight, both pro and con.

In the end, we all pull for a victory over the piggies tomorrow. Roll Tide, gentlemen.

Roll Tide.

 

['65 Cobra]

When was it Hamas took over the Gaza area...'04, '05, maybe '06? They've been ruling that area for almost two decades and that ...well, sort of conflicts with "apartheid government."

Interesting interview here I found earlier today...both right, both wrong.

I'm glad you posted this. I was about to. I wish certain people would watch the whole thing. It very much represents the issue in a microcosm. Cetain people really don't understand actual history, they are driven by emotion and talking points. Dershowitz is absolutely impeccable in his word and in his knowledge. Too many people are hyper-vigorous in opinion with lack of actual facts.

Then there is this disgusting practice of selecting a convenient date to hold to accountability - "so and so did this on this date and therefore our response was justified..." Complete BS. The truth is that area in conflict goes back thousands of years. Islam was the last of the Abrahamic religions to take hold and it was about 700 AD or so - AFTER thousands of years of history already taking place before Islam was even a thing. So when people say, "oh in 2014 so and so did this and so the response is justified..." Bull$hit. You want ot pick a date that is convenient to your narrative. Both sides can do this with impunity and it is still crap.

No governments are saints. All do snakey and disgusting acts. But there actually are differences. For me ask youself this simple question. If Hamas hadn't done their attack and the negotiation between Israel and rational Muslim states went forward and resulted in the two-state solution where Palestine is given land and sovereignty, would there be peace? The answer is no. And that is because Hamas and Hezbollah and their Iranian puppet master and the other Islamic states that are complicit are not interested in reality in having a Palestinian state. They are interested in killing Jews and erasing Israel from the map AND that is documented in their charters. They want a continuous state of terroristic war. What does that tell you? The Israeli's were perfectly fine in these most recent negotiations with the two-state solution. But it won't work because of the other side. And that is why there is a difference.

And, oh BTW, before Islam, there were a multitude of peoples in the region, Jews, Essenes, Egyptians, Palestinians, etc., etc. and they fought and had peace and fought again and had peace again, so don't give me that crap that the land belongs to so and so. There was thousands of years of history before Islam even became anything. And if you're going to carefully select a convenient date for your narrative in modern history you better know your $hit and you better go back to pre WW1 when this whole thing started (in modern history) with England and France and the Ottomans and Hussein bin Ali and the rebellion against the Turks. Because that is what set the modern crap in motion. And there are no innocents in this mess, and the Brits are the most to blame for that.

Lastly, there is a difference between sovereign entities that have a constitution and a documented charter of self-preservation vs. those that have a documented charter to kill another segment of human society at all costs and by any means. Civilian deaths as collateral damage are always horrendous, but when you store munitions and strategic equipment surrounded by your own people as shield you are destroying your own people to further your political agenda.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

 

[XXL TideFan]

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

While I'm on my morning rantS ...

Gotta laugh at this. The admin is saying they are tracking the 6 billion given to Iran while also admitting they lost 6 billion in Ukraine? 6.2, sorry.

Someone explain how this works.

"Yeah, we lost that. Accounting error. But, we're tracking this."

Is the white house about to be hit with a missile "hijacked passenger jet"?

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

They are bombing them, I posted a video yesterday of them doing so….a simple click on the damn play button will show that, but that in fact goes against your sweetheart Israel bullshit narrative.

Posting NYT opinion pieces isn’t anything other than one person’s opinion. Israel hasn’t vacated Gaza and it most definitely is an open air prison, it’s not hard to find that out, but I get it seeing proof would put a dent in the entire Israel is wonderful. Palestinians online have shown proof of everything I’ve said, but again it doesn’t show Israel in the fake prism of being sweethearts and shit, so I get why you wouldn’t want to see actual proof.

Two differences between Hamas and Israel- one side is brown and one is white and one has America’s backing and one doesn’t, those are the only differences.

I’ll leave you with two things-

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

And there are Palestinian Christian’s being murdered by the great white hope of Israel, but that’s ok as long as it’s Israel doing the murdering, any Christian that is fine with innocent people being murdered is no more of a Christian than I am and they’ll be next to me for eternity if the bible and god happens to be true and real.

Sorry last thing then I’m done with this thread- I know you won’t, but go talk to a Palestinian about how wonderful Israel is to Palestinians. I have- my doctoral advisor is Palestinian and his entire family is from Gaza, I didn’t get my views from some stupid opinion piece, politicians, or the media

Thanks for the debate

You're one of the let's Alinksyan "useful idiots" that believes Assad was actually chem-bombing his own citizens.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

My last post on this thread because for whatever reason some of yall refuse to read what I write or you ignore it. It’s like yall close your damn eyes and just type some shit.

Jesus fucking Christ is right. I have said many many times in this damn thread that I DONT FUCKING SUPPORT Hamas, not sure what’s so damn difficult to grasp. But, I don’t support the genocide and senseless murder of innocent Palestinians no more than I support the senseless of murder of innocent Israelis.

Those "innocent civilians" SUPPORT Hamas, to the tune of 60% and want Israel to be wiped off the map, you fucking dolt.