Bamaclam
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Bullshit!!! You are the GOAT!! You hear the calls!!!! If its wrong say over ride it!!!! you make $10 mil/yr.
🏈 The Good, The Bad and The Ugly vs. Rocky Top
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BamaFan334
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Why would he not listen though? Any CEO listens, and usually your better ones listen and don't interfere. Pretty sure I saw him on television a couple games ago say "run the fucking ball" pissed off and yelling. Those Lane ass chewings happened because Saban was calling the plays? A good leader doesn't micromanage his big pieces. Why does he say that if he is calling the plays? There is nothing wrong with him giving his coordinators that freedom, but he should deal with the criticism and praise, as should they. I have zero sympathy blasting the hell out of someone making $1M a year to put together a top high dollar product.
BamaFan334
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Override a call is most definitely getting a delay of game. How much confusion does that cause and in turn how many more penalities does that cause if he overrides the play as it goes in? You only have so many timeouts. Use Halftime and practice to fix it, not during a game.
Tidestalker
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Do you have a problem with someone making $10M a year, that can't oversee the idea of killing the opponents timeouts in order to get to overtime in the worst case scenario?
Who oversees the guy making $1M a year? Again, they're all wearing the same headset. The game management tonight was extremely questionable.
BamaFan334
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I am not disagreeing with you in that exact instance, but that wasn't what you were talking about. We definitely should run that clock down in that situation and all that chatter on the sets should have stated that. My question to you, why pay either coordinator that much money for you to just do it all? You pay your laborors to do the leg work. You pay your supervisors to oversee them and deal with the crap they cause. You pay managers to handle things that arise to themat necessary level. A head coach is not a babysitter that handles every bit that comes through. He manages that entire factory, and he has to listen to do that. He pays O'Brien and Golding to do their job which I hsve no doubt has the duties of calling the game in their job description. He cannot interject himself in every single call if he doesn't like it. As I stated before, Saban isn't perfect and more of a defensive guy than offensive. I don't comprehend your headset comment, because I liken it to all Nascar owners are on the headset during a race, but I'm willing to bet they aren't stepping on the toes of their driver, the spotters, and the pit crew boss that are tasked with managing the race.
Tidestalker
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If he can't say "Kill the clock" - Then why wear the headphones? Seriously.
BamaFan334
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I clearly said you were right there. Please also note it's sad you even have to freaking explain that to a guy that head coached at Penn State and at the NFL level for the Texans. Those are 1000% the instances Saban has to make that call to override it all. To be fair, Gibbs makes that catch and we are celebrating tonight. Hard to fault him after the game he had, but O'Brien got the dream matchup and an accurate throw on that play. The other plays were questionable of course, but the Gibbs play was the best play we could have asked for.
Tidestalker
Member
Thanks.
Agreed.
If he doesn't, you run the risk of leaving time on the clock. Which leave the potential time on the clock to the lose the game
Only so many opportunities to control the game as a Coach, or put in the players hands. The best and worst part of coaching is that everyone can look back and see if it was the right or the wrong devision. This one doesn't look great - It's OK to objectively acknowledge that.
BamaFan334
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How many times has Bryce and Gibbs let us down? I have zero issue with him making a play to go between our best two players. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I can live with that. The other two pass plays, one before that, and one after I'm not crazy about after the play by Brooks to get us in position to win it. I personally feel we should run more in situations as I have stated this evening on our goaline plays, but I am ok with that dump pass. It's a high percentage play,, especially with a defensive end on Gibbs, much higher than our run blocking at times. We could have still ran the clock down on the two other plays.
Tidestalker
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Cool. Hand it do it him instead of pass it to him. You literally guarantee yourself a chance of overtime, at worst, Instead of losing the game in regulation. And if he gains yards you get a better chance to win in regulation.
The Risk/Reward is blatantly obvious. To argue otherwise is concerning!
I think there are lessons to be learned. UA will be better for it moving forward! RTR
BamaFan334
Member
Cool. Hand it do it him instead of pass it to him. You literally guarantee yourself a chance of overtime, at worst, Instead of losing the game in regulation. And if he gains yards you get a better chance to win in regulation.
The Risk/Reward is blatantly obvious. To argue otherwise is concerning!
I think there are lessons to be learned. UA will be better for it moving forward! RTR
No denying that fact as we talked about, but I've seen worse play calling than that by this OC that concerns me. We don't play to tie or to get to overtime if you ask me, at Tennessee, giving up 49, in a game we played on our heels. I also know that I never would have trusted this defense in overtime based on the last 59.5 minutes. Throw that in with Reichard's trend lately and I believe we wanted every yard we could get. Did his misses against A&M come from the right hash? 3rd down should have been a run no matter what, agreed. First down should have been the Gibbs pass after the Brooks completion, if you're running another pass play, then reset to bleed with those last two plays. In the end, we agree, I'm just stating when your best guys touch the ball in a favorable matchup it's not the worst thing. Tennessee just so happened to make that play, and we did not. We fumbled last weekend by simply handing it off too, so there's always that thought too.
50+yeartidefan
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Well. The OC ( or DC on other side) is the game manager...but its at the direction of the HC...as it should be...What does the HC control? What does the OC control?
IF you run it... the clock runs.... At the end of the day, the ultimate decision is to burn the clock or hope a pass can be executed by multiple parties.
They're all wearing the same headset. Who decides to run or pass? If it's not Saban, why where the head set?
Not many teams one would worry about giving a team 15 seconds...but the way tn moved ball...and D went into prevent...
Nut many blunders....all along the way
Good - Young, what a competitor. Gibbs had some tough yards. Some receivers showed up.
Bad - Penalties, those committed, called and no-calls. I hate Will missed that kick, and the playcalling left the game open, which came to pass.
Ugly - Special teams in general. Kool-Aid's darting move only fooled our player. Punting was abysmal.
Absence of a pass rush killed us as much as anything. When we were in his face, Hooker was average. We feared his running for way too long in the game. TN's pace of play prevented subs, which was a brilliant move on their part. We need to be better at near-hash subs.
The sun came up today, and I put this one behind me as soon as the game ended. We now have no margin.
What a gorgeous day it's going to be today.
RTR,
Tim
Bad - Penalties, those committed, called and no-calls. I hate Will missed that kick, and the playcalling left the game open, which came to pass.
Ugly - Special teams in general. Kool-Aid's darting move only fooled our player. Punting was abysmal.
Absence of a pass rush killed us as much as anything. When we were in his face, Hooker was average. We feared his running for way too long in the game. TN's pace of play prevented subs, which was a brilliant move on their part. We need to be better at near-hash subs.
The sun came up today, and I put this one behind me as soon as the game ended. We now have no margin.
What a gorgeous day it's going to be today.
RTR,
Tim
mando
Member
Not enough likes to show how much I agee with this...
The scenario of the last decade is coming around again.....we lose a close game in the middle of the season, we regroup, we win out, we win the SEC, and make the CFP., Its a crazy pattern but as long as it works, hey roll with it. I wholeheartedly agree, we will be fine.
Secondand26
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We now have no margin.
I agree. But this is not a really big deal if you think about it. At this stage in the season we would have very little, to no margin because all of the rest are division games. I can think of several seasons where we were undefeated at this stage and still had no margin. CNS knows how to manage this part of it!
PurlJam
Member
x2 with the Dodgers, IMO.
Hopefully the Yankees tank too. Not big on Cleveland either but I do like Francona going back to his days managing the Barons.
musso
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Good - the resilience and consistency of Bryce
Bad - defense and the refs
Ugly - I don't buy Saban's reply about our final 3 offensive play calls, all three passes. NOTHING about the previous 59 minutes should have given him confidence in our pass D to keep UT out of field goal range with 2 remaining time outs. We should have run the ball at least once on 3rd down to force UT to use 1 of their 2 remaining timeouts. Any pass attempts during those final 3 plays should have been short quick easy passes (like the 2nd down pass to Gibbs) to ensure the tackle occurs in bounds. We had 1 or 2 time outs to use for ourselves to ensure a field goal attempt even if UT doesn't use theirs. I realize you can't always fix your defense during a game, but you have to adjust your play calling based on how poorly your defense has performed. I knew exactly how the game would end after I saw we were passing on that final 3rd down.
Bad - defense and the refs
Ugly - I don't buy Saban's reply about our final 3 offensive play calls, all three passes. NOTHING about the previous 59 minutes should have given him confidence in our pass D to keep UT out of field goal range with 2 remaining time outs. We should have run the ball at least once on 3rd down to force UT to use 1 of their 2 remaining timeouts. Any pass attempts during those final 3 plays should have been short quick easy passes (like the 2nd down pass to Gibbs) to ensure the tackle occurs in bounds. We had 1 or 2 time outs to use for ourselves to ensure a field goal attempt even if UT doesn't use theirs. I realize you can't always fix your defense during a game, but you have to adjust your play calling based on how poorly your defense has performed. I knew exactly how the game would end after I saw we were passing on that final 3rd down.
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