🏈 The Good, The Bad and The Ugly vs. MSU

[BamaFan334]

Good: Mix of plays & usage of talent on O. Got a lot of dudes involved today and were hard to stop. Defensively Jennings & McKinney are our clear standouts... After that Lewis & Surtain are solid.... After that.... Yeah, Roll Tide!

Bad: The injuries on that D front 7 are just a bitch... We are even playing Musika now, which is downright scary. It will be good experience for the Freshman but it sure takes a toll on the overall ability to win big games.

Ugly: Tua injury, obviously. I've made the same mistake Saban did with letting a player talk me into playing him and regretting the shit out of it. No excuse for it, just a very poor decision on Saban's part. I feel for the kid

I don't understand your point at all. He did not hurt his ankle. If he wasn't hurt and didn't re-injure his ankle, how can you say it was a bad coaching call? He could have done the same last week, next week, or last year. Tua needed reps. Coach and Tua both felt he did as well.

 

[Tidestalker]

I don't understand your point at all. He did not hurt his ankle. If he wasn't hurt and didn't re-injure his ankle, how can you say it was a bad coaching call? He could have done the same last week, next week, or last year. Tua needed reps. Coach and Tua both felt he did as well.

It's simple. It's about goals.

1st Goal - Win the game

2nd Goal - Make the Playoffs

3rd Goal - Win the playoffs

Which part of playing Tua up 28 does that help accomplish? I guess you could say run up the score to make the playoffs, but was the risk worth the reward?

And in regards to your point that 1 injury doesn't lead to another, you don't understand the human body. The way you run, fall, and favor things is all connected to previous injuries. I can't say 100% certainty that his injury had anything to do with the ankle, and you can't say the opposite. Your whole body is connected though, and trying not to re injure something causes different injuries all the time.

But what I can say with 100% certainty that: If he weren't playing, he wouldn't have gotten re injured. So what was the goal there? think he lost track of the bigger picture

 

[mando]

think he lost track of the bigger picture

Not trying to be combative but I think because he was looking at the big picture from his teams perspective Tua was still playing. It was not to win that particular game at that point so it had to be points 2 and/or 3.

 

[TerryP]

So what was the goal there? think he lost track of the bigger picture

On the other hand Saban said they were planning on using him in a two minute offense to end the half which is looking at the bigger picture. Game reps aren't equal to practice reps especially in that regard.

Ask yourself this question. When does Saban take players out of the game (including games like this one?) It's always been a development system/process. We're discussing the intent of practicing the 2 minute offense and as good as Tua is and has been there was room for improvement/development or he (Saban) wouldn't have had the plan in the first place.

 

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[#80]

On the other hand Saban said they were planning on using him in a two minute offense to end the half which is looking at the bigger picture. Game reps aren't equal to practice reps especially in that regard.

Ask yourself this question. When does Saban take players out of the game (including games like this one?) It's always been a development system/process. We're discussing the intent of practicing the 2 minute offense and as good as Tua is and has been there was room for improvement/development or he (Saban) wouldn't have had the plan in the first place.

I could be totally wrong but I will throw is out there. I question the "planned" two minute drill. As I watched the game MJ was warming up to enter the game. Tua clearly spoke to CNS and patted him on the chest my guess he asked to stay in the game. CNS gave in and let him stay in. Why was MJ warming up we were about to go into the locker room for half time. Just a theory.

 

[TerryP]

@#80, pretty SOP.

In a sense it's no different than the warm-ups you see before a game when they leave the field for 10-15 minutes before coming back out for the kickoff. In this case he wouldn't have stayed out on the field while the team was in the locker room during the half.

It's not the first time I've seen that.

 

[Tidestalker]

On the other hand Saban said they were planning on using him in a two minute offense to end the half which is looking at the bigger picture. Game reps aren't equal to practice reps especially in that regard.

Ask yourself this question. When does Saban take players out of the game (including games like this one?) It's always been a development system/process. We're discussing the intent of practicing the 2 minute offense and as good as Tua is and has been there was room for improvement/development or he (Saban) wouldn't have had the plan in the first place.

Risk vs Reward. Even if Tua runs the best 2 minute drill ever against that dog shit Miss St D.... Does that mean we're now more capable of winning a championship? Seriously, in a 28 point game?

It made no sense, TP. And ironically you can argue this all you want, but Saban himself had already made the risk vs reward decision before he allowed Tua to talk him into playing. Which undoubtedly he regrets, for obvious reasons.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

I believe if you look back at the Ole Miss game you will see that #13 was still in the game with less than 5 minutes remaining in the game while Bama was at 40 points. I deleted the game so I can't check the deal. The entire 1st team defense was playing at that time as well so what if so and so gets injured? I would suggest your look back at the play before #13 was hurt and the actual play he was injured and look at who was loafing. If players are going to half azz the 2 minute deal then what is the point.

 

[TerryP]

Which undoubtedly he regrets, for obvious reasons.

He regrets him getting hurt. I have no reason to believe he doubts ore regrets the decision to play him.

My first reaction to reading that opinon is where have you been for the last ten years?

Even if Tua runs the best 2 minute drill ever against that dog shit Miss St D.... Does that mean we're now more capable of winning a championship?

Most certainly yes. It would be the offense, not just Tua, running against a defense and scheme they are not used to facing. It's simple, elementary football. Game reps are more valuable than practice reps. You don't call these things scrimmages due to respect. And, you're right that the defense at MSU isn't what we're used to seeing. But most certainly, it's part of the process of how Saban runs his teams.

Five drives in the first half resulting in touchdowns.
A good two minute drill close down.
Park the offensive guys for the second half.

 

[TerryP]

I believe if you look back at the Ole Miss game you will see that #13 was still in the game with less than 5 minutes remaining in the game while Bama was at 40 points. I deleted the game so I can't check the deal. The entire 1st team defense was playing at that time as well so what if so and so gets injured? I would suggest your look back at the play before #13 was hurt and the actual play he was injured and look at who was loafing. If players are going to half azz the 2 minute deal then what is the point.

5 minutes vs 2 minute offense. Same word, different root, so to speak. A two minute offense is five plays.

Seems like a good tome to jump on the offensive line guys though. It's been a few weeks.

 

[BamaFan334]

It's simple. It's about goals.

1st Goal - Win the game

2nd Goal - Make the Playoffs

3rd Goal - Win the playoffs

Which part of playing Tua up 28 does that help accomplish? I guess you could say run up the score to make the playoffs, but was the risk worth the reward?

And in regards to your point that 1 injury doesn't lead to another, you don't understand the human body. The way you run, fall, and favor things is all connected to previous injuries. I can't say 100% certainty that his injury had anything to do with the ankle, and you can't say the opposite. Your whole body is connected though, and trying not to re injure something causes different injuries all the time.

But what I can say with 100% certainty that: If he weren't playing, he wouldn't have gotten re injured. So what was the goal there? think he lost track of the bigger picture

I don't know the human body, yet you do huh? I guess this is another case of you knowing all and others opposing you know zero.

 

[Tidestalker]

I don't know the human body, yet you do huh? I guess this is another case of you knowing all and others opposing you know zero.

Nope, not at all. Just a case of me understanding the potential of how one injury can impact another body part more than you.

 

[Tidestalker]

He regrets him getting hurt. I have no reason to believe he doubts ore regrets the decision to play him.

My first reaction to reading that opinon is where have you been for the last ten years?

Most certainly yes. It would be the offense, not just Tua, running against a defense and scheme they are not used to facing. It's simple, elementary football. Game reps are more valuable than practice reps. You don't call these things scrimmages due to respect. And, you're right that the defense at MSU isn't what we're used to seeing. But most certainly, it's part of the process of how Saban runs his teams.

Five drives in the first half resulting in touchdowns.
A good two minute drill close down.
Park the offensive guys for the second half.

With all due respect, Saban let Tua make that decision. Which turned out to be a very unfortunate one. Instead of being the adult in the room, he gave into an emotional plea from the young QB to run up some #'s.

In regards to the overall benefit to the team, Mac running the 2 minute drill and scoring would have been more beneficial. Especially given Tua's injury history.

 

[BamaFan334]

Nope, not at all. Just a case of me understanding the potential of how one injury can impact another body part more than you.

Except it didn't, but whatever your little heart wants to expel. Have at it playa.

 

[Max]

With all due respect, Saban let Tua make that decision. Which turned out to be a very unfortunate one. Instead of being the adult in the room, he gave into an emotional plea from the young QB to run up some #'s.

In regards to the overall benefit to the team, Mac running the 2 minute drill and scoring would have been more beneficial. Especially given Tua's injury history.

 

[Tidestalker]

I love my fans!

 

[TerryP]

Risk vs Reward. Even if Tua runs the best 2 minute drill ever against that dog shit Miss St D.... Does that mean we're now more capable of winning a championship? Seriously, in a 28 point game?

Some stats put together that demonstrate why is was the right move to practice the two minute offense at the end of the half.

If we take away the "victory formation/knee" out of the drives that ended halves Bama has had eight games where they've run their two minute offense.
Out of the eight, only two resulted in touchdowns.
Out of the six remaining, one ended in a field goal.

That's five sequences where the offense didn't score. Three of those five were punts, one was an interception, and one a missed field goal.

In Saban's terms where a successful drive ended with a kick I guess we could say they ran it well six times if we discount the missed field goal and the three punts, right? No. We can't.

When three of eight end up putting points on the board it's a sign: they needed work.

 

[Tidestalker]

Some stats put together that demonstrate why is was the right move to practice the two minute offense at the end of the half.

If we take away the "victory formation/knee" out of the drives that ended halves Bama has had eight games where they've run their two minute offense.
Out of the eight, only two resulted in touchdowns.
Out of the six remaining, one ended in a field goal.

That's five sequences where the offense didn't score. Three of those five were punts, one was an interception, and one a missed field goal.

In Saban's terms where a successful drive ended with a kick I guess we could say they ran it well six times if we discount the missed field goal and the three punts, right? No. We can't.

When three of eight end up putting points on the board it's a sign: they needed work.

Well now they need work with Mac Jones.

Was the juice worth the squeeze?

I say obviously not. You disagree. It is what it is