🏈 The Good, The Bad and The Ugly vs. Aggieland

[jlabit]

I was out of town yesterday and missed the game. Anyone know where I can see a replay? Also. anyone have an idea when Bryce Young is coming back?

 

[BamaFan334]

I'm going to have to disagree here. Milroe was indecisive and slow to respond during plays. His throwing motion at times is bizarre to say the least. I agree that BOB's playcalling was again horrendous. But Milroe was a liability the whole night - his fumbles were critical as was his INT. Is he really 2nd best on our roster?

You clearly didn't watch the offensive line. How can you be critical outside of the two fumbles? Zero time to throw 95% of the time and receivers were never open. Everyone in our section felt awful for the guy because of the line and play calling. He's no Bryce, but he's been dealt a shit hand with his line, receivers, and coaching.

This game was absolutely no different than the Texas game and the Auburn game ladt year. Both had Bryce and look how hard it was for him.

 

[Rolltide24]

My observations from the best seat in the house. At least best seat in MY house! Lol

Milroe had more time to throw than what he thought. I posted during the game thread, even predicted it was going to happen on a few occasions. He’d take 3 steps, look at his first receiver, and then take off to the right. Even ran in to the rush on that side a few times. He had time to throw quite a few of those times but had no patience in the pocket. It was like he counted to 2 when the ball entered his hands and took off on “2”. Much different from Bryce when he drops back. Some of that comes from experience.

Besides the 2 fumbles, he threw an INT that was into double coverage and well under thrown, and threw 2 more balls that defenders had no excuse dropping. One in the end zone and one to start the second half. Lucky he only turned it over 3 times. Most turnovers a Bama team has had in what, 6-7 years?

Take out the Sam Houston game and A&M gives up 22 per game. We got 24.

My question is, does Tennessee have a good a pash rush as A&M?

 

[BamaFan334]

My observations from the best seat in the house. At least best seat in MY house! Lol

Milroe had more time to throw than what he thought. I posted during the game thread, even predicted it was going to happen on a few occasions. He’d take 3 steps, look at his first receiver, and then take off to the right. Even ran in to the rush on that side a few times. He had time to throw quite a few of those times but had no patience in the pocket. It was like he counted to 2 when the ball entered his hands and took off on “2”. Much different from Bryce when he drops back. Some of that comes from experience.

Besides the 2 fumbles, he threw an INT that was into double coverage and well under thrown, and threw 2 more balls that defenders had no excuse dropping. One in the end zone and one to start the second half. Lucky he only turned it over 3 times. Most turnovers a Bama team has had in what, 6-7 years?

Take out the Sam Houston game and A&M gives up 22 per game. We got 24.

My question is, does Tennessee have a good a pash rush as A&M?

No way we haven't had more in atleast one of the two losses to Ole Miss.

A point to your point was that our receivers were not open. A&M covered the back half very throughly and we had zero separation. Wonder why he pulled and ran after looking off #1, because no one was open. I can say thrre was one play we had a guy open and he never threw it, but for the most part, the passing lanes were a mess and I don't blame him for taking off. Not sure where you saw him having more time than we thought, because he was pressured most of the game. Four sacks and two hurries, but he could never set his feet and find an open receiver because there weren't any and there was not much time. That's 32% of his pass attempts. In the game, it felt like more. 10 Tackles For Loss, unreal! As I also said, Bryce would have had just as much teouble just like he did in the Texas game earlier this season and the Auburn game last year (when we had great wide receivers).

 

[UAgrad93]

I'm going to have to disagree here. Milroe was indecisive and slow to respond during plays. His throwing motion at times is bizarre to say the least. I agree that BOB's playcalling was again horrendous. But Milroe was a liability the whole night - his fumbles were critical as was his INT. Is he really 2nd best on our roster?

Milroe reminded me a bit of 2016 Jalen Hurts. One read, high/low and then run. He did get "happy feet" as he would look down at the oncoming rush instead of his read. he bailed to his right a lot as well. AS for throwing motion, he was throwing all arm and flat footed, not stepping in to all of his throws. When he did, those passes were guided missiles and on target. His miscues did give A$M the short field twice and led to 14 points. BOB didn't help him much either to be honest. I believe that he is 2nd because he has had longer in the system. Simpson may very well beat him out next Spring though.
If anyone is watching the Ravens/Bengals right now, the Raven offense is what I would use with Milroe. Highlight his ability to run the ball.

 

[Tidestalker]

Good: Defense. Anderson/Turner/Braswell were fantastic on the pass rush. I thought HT and Lawson were really good as well. It's going to be tough to keep Lawson off the field, even though Moody has been pretty good himself. Gibbs is such a nice player... Brings a lot of versatility and threat to the defense. Brooks stepping forward and potentially becoming "The Guy" at WR.

Bad: Pass blocking. TO's. Penalties.

Ugly: Game management. Pass play call leading into the 1st missed field goal that began an ugly turn of events. To not run the ball and put it in the hands of your green QB, who had 3 previous TO's, was very unfortunate... Especially with a reliable kicker. After that huge loss it put Reichard into a much tougher position mentally and physically, and IMO, unnecessarily. I believe that ultimately lead to the 2nd missed FG as well, and hopefully doesn't impact the kicking game moving forward.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Yep. Tennessee is going to smoke us and puff on cigars after the game.

Did @JoshB hijack your account?

 

[BamaFan334]

Milroe reminded me a bit of 2016 Jalen Hurts. One read, high/low and then run. He did get "happy feet" as he would look down at the oncoming rush instead of his read. he bailed to his right a lot as well. AS for throwing motion, he was throwing all arm and flat footed, not stepping in to all of his throws. When he did, those passes were guided missiles and on target. His miscues did give A$M the short field twice and led to 14 points. BOB didn't help him much either to be honest. I believe that he is 2nd because he has had longer in the system. Simpson may very well beat him out next Spring though.
If anyone is watching the Ravens/Bengals right now, the Raven offense is what I would use with Milroe. Highlight his ability to run the ball.

I keep saying he's Lamar Jackson Jr.

 

[Rolltide24]

No way we haven't had more in atleast one of the two losses to Ole Miss.

A point to your point was that our receivers were not open. A&M covered the back half very throughly and we had zero separation. Wonder why he pulled and ran after looking off #1, because no one was open. I can say thrre was one play we had a guy open and he never threw it, but for the most part, the passing lanes were a mess and I don't blame him for taking off. Not sure where you saw him having more time than we thought, because he was pressured most of the game. Four sacks and two hurries, but he could never set his feet and find an open receiver because there weren't any and there was not much time. That's 32% of his pass attempts. In the game, it felt like more. 10 Tackles For Loss, unreal! As I also said, Bryce would have had just as much teouble just like he did in the Texas game earlier this season and the Auburn game last year (when we had great wide receivers).

32% is just counting his pass attempts, redo that calculation adding his 17 tuck and runs. Down to 17%. Their QB was sacked 3 times and hurried 14. 26-27% counting his tuck and runs.

They showed a stat during the game that said it was the first time in 84 games that we’ve had more than 2 turnovers. I’m just going by CBS’ stats on that one, I didn’t go back and look at each game. That’s 6+ years just to get to a 3 turnover game. I said 6-7.

 

[64Tide]

Dumb/after the play penalties and losing the turnover battle will be this team’s undoing. That’s been the theme for these 6 games and most likely will not change.

 

[BamaFan334]

32% is just counting his pass attempts, redo that calculation adding his 17 tuck and runs. Down to 17%. Their QB was sacked 3 times and hurried 14. 26-27% counting his tuck and runs.

They showed a stat during the game that said it was the first time in 84 games that we’ve had more than 2 turnovers. I’m just going by CBS’ stats on that one, I didn’t go back and look at each game. That’s 6+ years just to get to a 3 turnover game. I said 6-7.

You can't add the tuck and runs. Those stats are just pass specific plays, so you go off pass attempts. It's a rush if he tucks it, and if you add those you easily triple or quadrupal the QB hurries. I say this also by understanding there is very little chance they stop Milroe for zero or negative yards on a called QB run.

You're right, can't believe it's already been seven years since that Chad Kelly Ole Miss game. Time is eluding me fast.

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

You clearly didn't watch the offensive line. How can you be critical outside of the two fumbles? Zero time to throw 95% of the time and receivers were never open. Everyone in our section felt awful for the guy because of the line and play calling. He's no Bryce, but he's been dealt a shit hand with his line, receivers, and coaching.

This game was absolutely no different than the Texas game and the Auburn game ladt year. Both had Bryce and look how hard it was for him.

There were several plays where guys were open but Milroe is nervous in the pocket and has bad pocket presence. I want to find the exact play, but in the 2nd half (after the first TD to Brooks on a mesh concept), the same route combo is called. I think it is Bond who is coming WIDE open for an easy TD. Milroe only has to throw the ball about 10 yards in the air because of how shallow the cross is (the defenders get picked off and Bond runs away from them). Milroe panics and steps up right into a rusher and takes a sack on 3rd down.

My biggest issue was how they didn't use Milroe in the run game. I counted 2 legit plays that featured a QB run threat - the best was Niblack in short motion and used as the slider on a split zone look and he gets on the edge, lead blocking for Milroe to the right for a nice gain.

95% of the zone handoffs were just plain handoffs. Milroe wasn't carrying out fakes of a QB keep - not threatening the defense on the backside of the play. I don't get that. If you carry out those fakes you can get backside players hesitating - just one of those can lead to a long run for the RBs.

 

[BamaFan334]

There were several plays where guys were open but Milroe is nervous in the pocket and has bad pocket presence. I want to find the exact play, but in the 2nd half (after the first TD to Brooks on a mesh concept), the same route combo is called. I think it is Bond who is coming WIDE open for an easy TD. Milroe only has to throw the ball about 10 yards in the air because of how shallow the cross is (the defenders get picked off and Bond runs away from them). Milroe panics and steps up right into a rusher and takes a sack on 3rd down.

My biggest issue was how they didn't use Milroe in the run game. I counted 2 legit plays that featured a QB run threat - the best was Niblack in short motion and used as the slider on a split zone look and he gets on the edge, lead blocking for Milroe to the right for a nice gain.

95% of the zone handoffs were just plain handoffs. Milroe wasn't carrying out fakes of a QB keep - not threatening the defense on the backside of the play. I don't get that. If you carry out those fakes you can get backside players hesitating - just one of those can lead to a long run for the RBs.

I'm not saying he was perfect by any means, but it was not an easy game for a new starter to come in and play lights out when he simply did not have his team helping him. As a whole, the receiving corp underachieved. Bond will be a star. Brooks can be really good. Prentice is pretty solid. That being said, I still say even Bryce struggles the way it all went down. We may have had a guy or two open, but for the most part they smothered our receivers. They line did not allow for much at all in the form of a passing game. As I stated multiple times, we saw first hand that he was being pressured before guys were even getting out of their breaks and able to cut. We all honestly felt they were coasting off of Gibbs the entire game and just trying to get the W and move on.

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

I'm not saying he was perfect by any means, but it was not an easy game for a new starter to come in and play lights out when he simply did not have his team helping him. As a whole, the receiving corp underachieved. Bond will be a star. Brooks can be really good. Prentice is pretty solid. That being said, I still say even Bryce struggles the way it all went down. We may have had a guy or two open, but for the most part they smothered our receivers. They line did not allow for much at all in the form of a passing game. As I stated multiple times, we saw first hand that he was being pressured before guys were even getting out of their breaks and able to cut. We all honestly felt they were coasting off of Gibbs the entire game and just trying to get the W and move on.

JMO, but there were lots of throws to be made. Milroe just can't execute the throws, and didn't trust himself enough to make others.

With the way the run game was working (I have seen it almost unanimously stated elsewhere that folks think the OL dominated the LOS), with Bryce the RPO game was there. The throw to Burton is just an example.

I just don't think that's Milroe's game - he needs a Zone read based attack with boots and quick game off split zone play action, and some power read play action with guys running verticals. The gameplan didn't cater to Milroe's skills - he cannot run the Bryce Young offense.

If Milroe starts and they use that offense again, it's going to be an ugly loss.

 

[BamaFan334]

JMO, but there were lots of throws to be made. Milroe just can't execute the throws, and didn't trust himself enough to make others.

With the way the run game was working (I have seen it almost unanimously stated elsewhere that folks think the OL dominated the LOS), with Bryce the RPO game was there. The throw to Burton is just an example.

I just don't think that's Milroe's game - he needs a Zone read based attack with boots and quick game off split zone play action, and some power read play action with guys running verticals. The gameplan didn't cater to Milroe's skills - he cannot run the Bryce Young offense.

If Milroe starts and they use that offense again, it's going to be an ugly loss.

I have not heard anywhere that the offensive line dominated the line of scrimmage. That wasn't the feeling from any of us in my section (about 30 of us talking back and forth throughout the game on the 35 yard line about 50 rows up). Gibbs ability to escape is not a win for me when it comes to the offensive line. NOW, they did open a massive hole on that long run of his. My eyes saw it as the issues starting there, and that's where Milroe was left scrambling. He wasn't set up to succeed, kind of like you were saying.

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

I have not heard anywhere that the offensive line dominated the line of scrimmage. That wasn't the feeling from any of us in my section (about 30 of us talking back and forth throughout the game on the 35 yard line about 50 rows up). Gibbs ability to escape is not a win for me when it comes to the offensive line. NOW, they did open a massive hole on that long run of his. My eyes saw it as the issues starting there, and that's where Milroe was left scrambling. He wasn't set up to succeed, kind of like you were saying.

I guess we have different experiences/perceptions on the OL. They opened holes for the RBs all game (besides the last series of 3 runs up the middle which A&M sent the house to stop).

I think the OL is continuing to improve. If Bryce gets back, the passing game will only open the running lanes even more.

 

[musso]

An ugly stat to me: Final 3 quarters passing 4-11 for 65 yards.

Going to have to find a passing game with Milroe or Simpson and quick. I don’t think we can sustain a performance with 3 rushes for over 70 yards each game. Those 3 rushing plays were the difference in the game.

I thought @Rolltide24 nailed it after the Ark game.