teaguesgottheball!
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🏈 Jameis Winston is being investigated for sexual assault
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PhillyGirl
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Ah, gotcha! Check out uagrad93's post for clarification on that.
Two page victim/family statement given to the Tampa Bay Times:
http://www.tampabay.com/specia...DFs/winston.pdf
http://www.tampabay.com/specia...DFs/winston.pdf
PhillyGirl
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[h=1]Attorney: Jameis Winston, complainant had consensual sex[/h]Tim Jansen, a Tallahassee attorney representing Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston in a sexual-assault complaint against him, said in a news conference Thursday morning that sex between his client and the complainant was consensual. When asked whether the sex was consensual, Jansen replied, "absolutely."
Jansen added that he anticipated his client's DNA would match the DNA found on the complainant.
"We are not surprised with the results of the DNA," he said. "We voluntarily submitted to a DNA, the only thing we are surprised by is it was leaked out by law enforcement," he said. "The question the people should ask is why is it being leaked? For what purpose?"
Jansen held the news conference in response to a report on ESPN.com that DNA taken from the complainant matched Winston's DNA. Winston submitted to a DNA swab a week ago on campus.
"I don't think it's a secret what the defense is when I tell you that we are not surprised his DNA was found. We anticipated it would be found. We never, ever said he wasn't there."
Jansen said he was outraged by the leak, and it harmed his client's reputation. He said the leak must have come from TPD, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement or the State Attorney's Office.
FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey earlier Thursday confirmed his agency conducted the DNA-matching test — without detailing its findings — and forwarded those conclusions to TPD and State Attorney Willie Meggs' office.
Jansen continued to maintain that his client had done nothing wrong. He said Winston would be exonerated, in part because of the accounts of what he said were two eyewitnesses. Jansen said DNA was collected from one of those witnesses as well.
The family of the woman who filed the complaint issued a statement Wednesday identifying Winston as her assailant and criticizing the Tallahassee Police Department's handling of the investigation. The statement said a TPD detective working on the case warned the woman's attorney that she would be "raked over the coals" if she proceeded with the complaint.
TPD officials have said little about the case, citing the ongoing investigation.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...a-state-sexual-battery-investigation/3662241/
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Okay. So this is in spite of the fact that the attorney initially said that Winston had no contact with the woman and that he had 2 witnesses to support this fact? So confused ..
Jansen added that he anticipated his client's DNA would match the DNA found on the complainant.
"We are not surprised with the results of the DNA," he said. "We voluntarily submitted to a DNA, the only thing we are surprised by is it was leaked out by law enforcement," he said. "The question the people should ask is why is it being leaked? For what purpose?"
Jansen held the news conference in response to a report on ESPN.com that DNA taken from the complainant matched Winston's DNA. Winston submitted to a DNA swab a week ago on campus.
"I don't think it's a secret what the defense is when I tell you that we are not surprised his DNA was found. We anticipated it would be found. We never, ever said he wasn't there."
Jansen said he was outraged by the leak, and it harmed his client's reputation. He said the leak must have come from TPD, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement or the State Attorney's Office.
FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey earlier Thursday confirmed his agency conducted the DNA-matching test — without detailing its findings — and forwarded those conclusions to TPD and State Attorney Willie Meggs' office.
Jansen continued to maintain that his client had done nothing wrong. He said Winston would be exonerated, in part because of the accounts of what he said were two eyewitnesses. Jansen said DNA was collected from one of those witnesses as well.
The family of the woman who filed the complaint issued a statement Wednesday identifying Winston as her assailant and criticizing the Tallahassee Police Department's handling of the investigation. The statement said a TPD detective working on the case warned the woman's attorney that she would be "raked over the coals" if she proceeded with the complaint.
TPD officials have said little about the case, citing the ongoing investigation.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...a-state-sexual-battery-investigation/3662241/
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Okay. So this is in spite of the fact that the attorney initially said that Winston had no contact with the woman and that he had 2 witnesses to support this fact? So confused ..
teaguesgottheball!
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I can't imagine they wouldn't keep it, whether as part of the "kit" or not, but either way, I was mostly just reacting to any kind of implication that the accuser/victim somehow held on to it, a la Monica Lewinsky, for some kind of later "gotcha" moment. With all the talk about "why is this just coming out now?" (some of it directed at her), it seems important to note that she reported it right away, had physical evidence collected, and, at least sometime in the early investigation, identified Winston.
PhillyGirl
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Yeah, honestly, she did all the stuff she is supposed to do. Even if someone did not initially report it (which she DID), we have to realize that it is a difficult situation to be in. Pursuing a case could be dangerous. And it is already emotionally taxing enough to have to go through the pains of an investigation after the fact (I know this from personal experience). Some folks just let it go altogether, or bring it up years later when they have the strength (see: Sandusky victims).
OK, can someone clear this up. He was there? or not? There are witnesses that he was there and there were witnesses that he wasn't there? I'm no rocket surgeon, but it seems kind of hard to be in two places at once. Now his lawyer is saying he was there but it was consensual. Right! At this point, I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.
You may not be rocket surgeon, or a brain scientist, but I think you're on to something...
I was looking for older news stories that alleged he was somewhere else, however, but all I've seen is that the attorney had two witnesses who could corroborate his testimony. Anybody see anything different?
None of it looks good, though.
RTR,
Tim
PhillyGirl
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The attorney initially said he was NOT with the woman that evening of the alleged sexual battery. The attorney also indicated that there were two witnesses who could give Winston an alibi.
The victim says that he WAS with her that night, that she was intoxicated, and that sexual activity occurred against her will.
Today, the attorney is stating that Winston was in fact with the woman on the night in question but that it was consensual.
Got all of these from ESPN updates so who knows .. I imagine a lot of rumors are flying around ..
:dazed:
PhillyGirl
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...y-not-be-suspended-fsu-20131121,0,80130.story
[h=1]Jameis Winston may not be suspended if charged in assault case[/h]Jameis Winston may not be suspended automatically from the FSU football team if he is charged with a felony in connection with a pending sexual assault inquiry.
The FSU athletic department code of conduct includes a provision allowing for exceptions to the suspension rule.
The Seminoles' athletic policy manual reads: “In the event the student-athlete is charged with a felony, absent extraordinary circumstances as determined by the administration, he/she will not be permitted to represent FSU Athletics in game competition until such time as the charge is resolved and all court, university and athletics department conditions for reinstatement have been met.”
FSU officials have repeatedly declined to speak publicly about the investigation because it is open and active.
In the past, FSU has suspended players when they were charged with felonies. Greg Dent, a promising receiver, was suspended and has not played this season after he was charged with felony second-degree sexual assault during the summer.
One day after Dent was charged with a felony, FSU coach Jimbo Fisher released the following statement: "We are aware of the situation with Greg Dent. He's suspended indefinitely from all team activities as we let the legal process run its course."
Dent was immediately identified by the victim and the case proceeded swiftly, while Winston’s case has followed a different path.
A FSU student reported an assault in December 2012 and identified Winston as the person who attacked her in January, according to a statement released by the family and first obtained by the Tampa Bay Times on Wednesday.
Winston’s attorney, Tim Jansen, said the quarterback has denied all accusations he assaulted the woman.
The case was referred to the state attorney office for review last week. The timing of the handoff to the state attorney has been a source of contention, with Tallahassee police contending the delay was caused by the victim’s uncertainty about pressing charges. The victim’s family questioned police conduct during the investigation in a statement, arguing a detective failed to take the proper steps to secure evidence and move the case forward.
Chief assistant state attorney Georgia Cappleman told the Orlando Sentinel there is no specific timeline for a decision on whether charges will be filed in time for the case.
FSU has three more games remaining on its schedule: Saturday’s home finale against Idaho, a Nov. 30 game at Florida and a Dec. 7 appearance in the ACC Championship Game.
The team is vying for a spot in the BCS National Championship Game to be played in January.
[h=1]Jameis Winston may not be suspended if charged in assault case[/h]Jameis Winston may not be suspended automatically from the FSU football team if he is charged with a felony in connection with a pending sexual assault inquiry.
The FSU athletic department code of conduct includes a provision allowing for exceptions to the suspension rule.
The Seminoles' athletic policy manual reads: “In the event the student-athlete is charged with a felony, absent extraordinary circumstances as determined by the administration, he/she will not be permitted to represent FSU Athletics in game competition until such time as the charge is resolved and all court, university and athletics department conditions for reinstatement have been met.”
FSU officials have repeatedly declined to speak publicly about the investigation because it is open and active.
In the past, FSU has suspended players when they were charged with felonies. Greg Dent, a promising receiver, was suspended and has not played this season after he was charged with felony second-degree sexual assault during the summer.
One day after Dent was charged with a felony, FSU coach Jimbo Fisher released the following statement: "We are aware of the situation with Greg Dent. He's suspended indefinitely from all team activities as we let the legal process run its course."
Dent was immediately identified by the victim and the case proceeded swiftly, while Winston’s case has followed a different path.
A FSU student reported an assault in December 2012 and identified Winston as the person who attacked her in January, according to a statement released by the family and first obtained by the Tampa Bay Times on Wednesday.
Winston’s attorney, Tim Jansen, said the quarterback has denied all accusations he assaulted the woman.
The case was referred to the state attorney office for review last week. The timing of the handoff to the state attorney has been a source of contention, with Tallahassee police contending the delay was caused by the victim’s uncertainty about pressing charges. The victim’s family questioned police conduct during the investigation in a statement, arguing a detective failed to take the proper steps to secure evidence and move the case forward.
Chief assistant state attorney Georgia Cappleman told the Orlando Sentinel there is no specific timeline for a decision on whether charges will be filed in time for the case.
FSU has three more games remaining on its schedule: Saturday’s home finale against Idaho, a Nov. 30 game at Florida and a Dec. 7 appearance in the ACC Championship Game.
The team is vying for a spot in the BCS National Championship Game to be played in January.
planomateo
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PhillyGirl
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That article is written like a smutty tabloid ..
Right now there's a lot of these stories floating around from both ends .. That he will be charged, that he won't, etc. I'm waiting for a legitimate source instead of sports gossip pages.
Gotta say, I liked Lee Corso's approach to getting the truth out of his players (as he just described on Game Day). Sit them down in your car and look them in the eye and ask what happened. Then, sit them in your office and have them call their mom and grandmother and tell THEM. He says he never had a player lie to his face in his coaching career (that he knows of, haha) but damn that stuff would certainly intimidate me!!
Right now there's a lot of these stories floating around from both ends .. That he will be charged, that he won't, etc. I'm waiting for a legitimate source instead of sports gossip pages.
Gotta say, I liked Lee Corso's approach to getting the truth out of his players (as he just described on Game Day). Sit them down in your car and look them in the eye and ask what happened. Then, sit them in your office and have them call their mom and grandmother and tell THEM. He says he never had a player lie to his face in his coaching career (that he knows of, haha) but damn that stuff would certainly intimidate me!!
PhillyGirl
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I will say this though.
I do not think he will be charged. He's a star football player en route to a BCSNCG and the Heisman final three. Star athlete is really all that matters.
And unfortunately (for someone) there's a lot of garbage being said on both sides, true or false, which really garbles the actual events/situation of the evening in question. It's probably gonna get to the point that the case will get thrown out because its impossible to tell what truly happened. More impossible, truth be told, given the way it was handled by the TPD to begin with.
I do not think he will be charged. He's a star football player en route to a BCSNCG and the Heisman final three. Star athlete is really all that matters.
And unfortunately (for someone) there's a lot of garbage being said on both sides, true or false, which really garbles the actual events/situation of the evening in question. It's probably gonna get to the point that the case will get thrown out because its impossible to tell what truly happened. More impossible, truth be told, given the way it was handled by the TPD to begin with.
PhillyGirl
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http://deadspin.com/jameis-winston-isnt-the-only-problem-here-an-fsu-teac-1467707410
Interesting piece, not so much about the Winston issue as about athlete supremacy at FSU .. Some writing professors at FSU detail incidents they witnessed in the past few years. It's important to note that this is (obviously) not limited to FSU.
Seems like someone/something is failing the educators (first and foremost) and also the players .. Sigh.
Interesting piece, not so much about the Winston issue as about athlete supremacy at FSU .. Some writing professors at FSU detail incidents they witnessed in the past few years. It's important to note that this is (obviously) not limited to FSU.
Seems like someone/something is failing the educators (first and foremost) and also the players .. Sigh.
Here's the thing... It doesn't matter if they had consensual sex 1 time or 500 times, if she said no or he hit her in any way, it is a crime. I don't agree but that's a fact. Now, let's hear something from the state attorney's office and I will have to go with what they agree to. My bet say's he gets off scott free.
PhillyGirl
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I'm with ya, bamaledge. They could even be married, but if she said no or if force was used against her will, it's a crime.
I believe he will get off free.
bama alum
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Uh-oh...Someone posted earlier about the unemployment line in Tallahassee growing longer. This might do it: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf-...2713080.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons
bama alum
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Two more problems SHameis was able to elude just because he is F$U's QB: http://www.abc3340.com/story/24085310/fsu-qb-jameis-winston-questioned-in-bb-gun
PhillyGirl
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