| FTBL Alabama's pass rush....

[jocephus8179]

Maybe Tiger needs to see the Vlachos video that's on a past post on here. :lol:

 

[TerryP]

TerryP, we've all heard about Chapman and Vlachos being beasts in the weight room. Can you give us some tangible numbers?

It's not something I normally ask about but I'll see if I can get some...workouts are very strictly monitored/closed and the GA I know checks his email about every 3 weeks...at least, the email addy I have for him.

 

[Chuck-E-Cheeze]

I know it is a stretch Terry, but is there any way you could get that workout routine also? I would love to get a hold of that. I have done the Nebraska football workout (circa 1995) three times now for a total of 9 months. I need something newer and more explosive.

 

[TerryP]

I know it is a stretch Terry, but is there any way you could get that workout routine also? I would love to get a hold of that. I have done the Nebraska football workout (circa 1995) three times now for a total of 9 months. I need something newer and more explosive.

Very, very few people know that and I don't know any of them. Check out Coach Eyer's site or maybe this one for more info...

http://www.sparqtraining.com/index.php

 

[Chuck-E-Cheeze]

Yeah, I figured as much. Coach Eyer charges a decent amount for his services. Funny story, I think he might actually be my AAU basketball coach from 14 years ago. Same name and same sweet, sweet comb-over he had back then. Does anyone know if he used to coach the Birmingham Bulls? If so, that is him. We were a pretty awesome team, and he was built like a Jimmy John's pitt bull.

 

[TigerTeacher2007]

I wasn't saying you wouldn't have a pass rush

Was asking about HOW you'd get one, considering your relative struggles last year and losing your best pass rusher.

Thought it was a legit question. Onto the monster DT you guys signed...

Let me insert the following caveats

A)He is a massive human being with freakish strength.
B) He might end up being a dominant force
C) By virtue of his genetics he is almost automatically a run stopper
D) What I'm about to say is not meant to disrespect anybody...

But Cody was a three star, moderately recruited kid that got only one other big time offer (Tennessee).

In JUCO, playing against middle-tier competition, he registered 3.5 sacks (not bad at all, but not world beating either).

What I see in that video, with all due respect, is a massive guy going against some run of the mill high school offensive linemen. What I don't see is him doing mush pass rushing... is there even a single pass play in that highlight vid you posted?

Maybe you guys were just trying to show off a freakish human being that is one of your recruits. If so, maybe I'm taking your posts too seriously. If this is the case... he is huge, and will be fun to watch.

However if in fact you're suggesting that a true frosh, however massive he is, is going to be the answer for your lack of a pass rush, might I just suggest.... maybe not.

These aint 6 foot 240 pound white kids he was going against at Riverdale.

 

[Guest]

Re: I wasn't saying you wouldn't have a pass rush

Was asking about HOW you'd get one, considering your relative struggles last year and losing your best pass rusher.

Thought it was a legit question. Onto the monster DT you guys signed...

Let me insert the following caveats

A)He is a massive human being with freakish strength.
B) He might end up being a dominant force
C) By virtue of his genetics he is almost automatically a run stopper
D) What I'm about to say is not meant to disrespect anybody...

But Cody was a three star, moderately recruited kid that got only one other big time offer (Tennessee).

In JUCO, playing against middle-tier competition, he registered 3.5 sacks (not bad at all, but not world beating either).

What I see in that video, with all due respect, is a massive guy going against some run of the mill high school offensive linemen. What I don't see is him doing mush pass rushing... is there even a single pass play in that highlight vid you posted?

Maybe you guys were just trying to show off a freakish human being that is one of your recruits. If so, maybe I'm taking your posts too seriously. If this is the case... he is huge, and will be fun to watch.

However if in fact you're suggesting that a true frosh, however massive he is, is going to be the answer for your lack of a pass rush, might I just suggest.... maybe not.

These aint 6 foot 240 pound white kids he was going against at Riverdale.

Cody only played one year of HS football...that is why he was a 3 star. He was a 4 star coming out of Juco. Generally, a NT is not a pass rushing specialist, rather he is a run stopper and disruptive force in the middle. The size and strength of Cody resulted in a lot of QB rollouts in Juco, padding the sack numbers of their DE's. The MCGCCC Bulldogs were undefeated in 2007 and won the National Championship (co-champs). Cody was a first team All-American at Juco level - an impressive feat in itself, and not just a "3 star" that was lightly recruited. Coming out of Juco, anyone in the country would have loved to have signed him.

Additionally, he is a good kid...and very much a kid.

 

[Bama Bard]

does it worry you?

I've heard a lot about your DL and it's potential to be good. However, from an outsider's perpsective (and one that doesn't know as much about your guys as obviously you do)...

I see a DL that struggled to rush the passer last season, losing it's top sack leader, with an inexperienced LB corps behind it.

What happens on the 30th? How will you get pressure, and what'll happen if you don't?

I think we are all asking the same questions over here. I look at success upfront as relative to the lack any over the past two years. I'm not sure where we ranked in terms of sacks and pressures but I am sure we were in the bottom third of the SEC over those two ugly years. This year, however, we return some guys that DO have both the size and speed up front to get an upfield surge and a few incoming guys that we hope are ready to contribute. How we get pressure depends on our Noseguard and his ability to draw double teams every play and we have high hopes that T Cody, along with J Chapman and L Washington can get that done. They do not need to get sacks, just take up blockers. We also need our Corners to play man and lock it down. Kareem Jackson is that player, I hope Alonzo Lawrence can step up and get it done on the other side. If these two things can happen then we can pin the tails back on the edges and stunt inside. If we don't then C Harper is good enough and has weapons aplenty to hurt us. Saban does not play bend don't break so we will take chances and hope we don't get burned, time will tell. However, I think getting to the QB is a major area of focus from our staff and players and playing the first game of the year against an inexperienced Clemson OLine and a team that was prone to getting sackedlast year, like Clemson was, is advantageous for us. I think we might even look better than we really are since it is early in the year and we won't be hampered by injuries which could expose (later in the year) just how closely we titter on the edge of being too thin and young up front. RTR.

 

[TigerTeacher2007]

does it worry you?

I've heard a lot about your DL and it's potential to be good. However, from an outsider's perpsective (and one that doesn't know as much about your guys as obviously you do)...

I see a DL that struggled to rush the passer last season, losing it's top sack leader, with an inexperienced LB corps behind it.

What happens on the 30th? How will you get pressure, and what'll happen if you don't?

I think we are all asking the same questions over here. I look at success upfront as relative to the lack any over the past two years. I'm not sure where we ranked in terms of sacks and pressures but I am sure we were in the bottom third of the SEC over those two ugly years. This year, however, we return some guys that DO have both the size and speed up front to get an upfield surge and a few incoming guys that we hope are ready to contribute. How we get pressure depends on our Noseguard and his ability to draw double teams every play and we have high hopes that T Cody, along with J Chapman and L Washington can get that done. We also need our Corners to play man and lock it down. If these two things can happen then we can pin the tails back on the edges and stunt inside. If we don't then C Harper is good enough and has weapons aplenty to hurt us. Saban does not play bend don't break so we will take chances and hope we don't get burned, time will tell. However, I think getting to the QB is a major area of focus from our staff and players and playing the first game of the year against an inexperienced Clemson OLine and a team that was prone to getting sackedlast year, like Clemson was, is advantageous for us. I think we might even look better than we really are since it is early in the year and we won't be hampered by injuries which could expose (later in the year) just how closely we titter on the edge of being too thin and young up front. RTR.

This was more of what I was looking for..

much more info.

 

[Chuck-E-Cheeze]

No doubt, those are two excellent and well-informed posts by the BigFan and BamaBard! You two are obviously more keen on schemes than I. Just another reason to get your Bama football info from this board! Or, you can go to Tidefans and get harassed for not posting a link and "teaser titles". They seem to care more about trivial protocol than their members.

 

[Kirk Van de Graaff]

does it worry you?

I've heard a lot about your DL and it's potential to be good. However, from an outsider's perpsective (and one that doesn't know as much about your guys as obviously you do)...

I see a DL that struggled to rush the passer last season, losing it's top sack leader, with an inexperienced LB corps behind it.

What happens on the 30th? How will you get pressure, and what'll happen if you don't?

I think we are all asking the same questions over here. I look at success upfront as relative to the lack any over the past two years. I'm not sure where we ranked in terms of sacks and pressures but I am sure we were in the bottom third of the SEC over those two ugly years. This year, however, we return some guys that DO have both the size and speed up front to get an upfield surge and a few incoming guys that we hope are ready to contribute. How we get pressure depends on our Noseguard and his ability to draw double teams every play and we have high hopes that T Cody, along with J Chapman and L Washington can get that done. They do not need to get sacks, just take up blockers. We also need our Corners to play man and lock it down. Kareem Jackson is that player, I hope Alonzo Lawrence can step up and get it done on the other side. If these two things can happen then we can pin the tails back on the edges and stunt inside. If we don't then C Harper is good enough and has weapons aplenty to hurt us. Saban does not play bend don't break so we will take chances and hope we don't get burned, time will tell. However, I think getting to the QB is a major area of focus from our staff and players and playing the first game of the year against an inexperienced Clemson OLine and a team that was prone to getting sackedlast year, like Clemson was, is advantageous for us. I think we might even look better than we really are since it is early in the year and we won't be hampered by injuries which could expose (later in the year) just how closely we titter on the edge of being too thin and young up front. RTR.

Great post!

 

[reger60]

does it worry you?

I've heard a lot about your DL and it's potential to be good. However, from an outsider's perpsective (and one that doesn't know as much about your guys as obviously you do)...

I see a DL that struggled to rush the passer last season, losing it's top sack leader, with an inexperienced LB corps behind it.

What happens on the 30th? How will you get pressure, and what'll happen if you don't?

I think we are all asking the same questions over here. I look at success upfront as relative to the lack any over the past two years. I'm not sure where we ranked in terms of sacks and pressures but I am sure we were in the bottom third of the SEC over those two ugly years. This year, however, we return some guys that DO have both the size and speed up front to get an upfield surge and a few incoming guys that we hope are ready to contribute. How we get pressure depends on our Noseguard and his ability to draw double teams every play and we have high hopes that T Cody, along with J Chapman and L Washington can get that done. They do not need to get sacks, just take up blockers. We also need our Corners to play man and lock it down. Kareem Jackson is that player, I hope Alonzo Lawrence can step up and get it done on the other side. If these two things can happen then we can pin the tails back on the edges and stunt inside. If we don't then C Harper is good enough and has weapons aplenty to hurt us. Saban does not play bend don't break so we will take chances and hope we don't get burned, time will tell. However, I think getting to the QB is a major area of focus from our staff and players and playing the first game of the year against an inexperienced Clemson OLine and a team that was prone to getting sackedlast year, like Clemson was, is advantageous for us. I think we might even look better than we really are since it is early in the year and we won't be hampered by injuries which could expose (later in the year) just how closely we titter on the edge of being too thin and young up front. RTR.

Great post!

And he fit all in ONE paragraph!

I kid! I kid!

 

[Bamabuzzard]

does it worry you?

I've heard a lot about your DL and it's potential to be good. However, from an outsider's perpsective (and one that doesn't know as much about your guys as obviously you do)...

I see a DL that struggled to rush the passer last season, losing it's top sack leader, with an inexperienced LB corps behind it.

What happens on the 30th? How will you get pressure, and what'll happen if you don't?

It doesn't worry me a bit. The DL that "struggled to rush the passer last season" did not have ONE man over 300lbs playing. That will change this season. We'll have three guys playing the DL over 300lbs and two of the three are cat quick. They showed that in our spring game. Our secondary is very sound and at the very least has one shut down corner. Our LB corps is our weakness but even then we'll have Rolando McClain who is a second year starter that is an absolute beast on the field.

My guess is Saban will stack the box and force y'all to throw the ball. If he can get you into throwing the ball he'll begin to bring pressure from all parts of the formation. I also believe he'll focus on the most inexperienced part of your offensive line and see just how much they've "gelled" in the spring.

But make no mistake about it. I attended the spring the game this year and most of our players are much bigger, stronger and faster than last year. Add to that a lot of "Saban's recruits" of 2007 are now beginning to settle in and get playing time.

 

[Chuck-E-Cheeze]

;w;w

 

[Guest]

This is not last year, once again...we will have a pass rush,maybe not from the DL because the 3-4 makes it come from all directions. Bama's DL will be monsters(I mean bigger, stronger and more skilled than last year) and out to prove a point to people just like you who doubt them. Great motivation. Keep it up nation... I really hope people keep talking and expecting our team to be like last year. 'Cause it will be a different them. RTR

I would be more worried about Rolo in your qb's face.

 

[TigerTeacher2007]

Got news for ya Kc

If your DL cares what a lowly internet poster like myself thinks


y'all are sh*t out of luck, lol

Gotta love the off-season... where hope spings eternal and you never have any weaknesses.

Hell, I'm convinced our OL will dominate you guys. I know we lost three starters off last season's mediocre line... but guess what.. that was LAST YEAR.

 

[Guest]

Re: Got news for ya Kc

If your DL cares what a lowly internet poster like myself thinks


y'all are sh*t out of luck, lol

Gotta love the off-season... where hope spings eternal and you never have any weaknesses.

Hell, I'm convinced our OL will dominate you guys. I know we lost three starters off last season's mediocre line... but guess what.. that was LAST YEAR.

You are convinced that the OL will dominate?

Let me get this straight, you lost 3 starters off a mediocre line and you are convinced that you will dominate?


I thought you actually had good arguments for awhile, but after you say something crazy like that...I don't think I can take anything you say seriously anymore.

 

[TerryP]

Re: Got news for ya Kc

If your DL cares what a lowly internet poster like myself thinks


y'all are sh*t out of luck, lol

Gotta love the off-season... where hope spings eternal and you never have any weaknesses.

Hell, I'm convinced our OL will dominate you guys. I know we lost three starters off last season's mediocre line... but guess what.. that was LAST YEAR.

You are convinced that the OL will dominate?

Let me get this straight, you lost 3 starters off a mediocre line and you are convinced that you will dominate?


I thought you actually had good arguments for awhile, but after you say something crazy like that...I don't think I can take anything you say seriously anymore.

I think you missed the

 

[Guest]

Re: Got news for ya Kc

If your DL cares what a lowly internet poster like myself thinks


y'all are sh*t out of luck, lol

Gotta love the off-season... where hope spings eternal and you never have any weaknesses.

Hell, I'm convinced our OL will dominate you guys. I know we lost three starters off last season's mediocre line... but guess what.. that was LAST YEAR.

Glad you feel I was talking about/pointing a finger at you, but I was not.(Note, I said "just like you") Many are not taking Bama seriously...I live near a different orange and blue area.

Also I am not on your board asking you questions about your team....so yes hope springs eternal here for me. I dont think I am being unrealistic at all about our DL....3-4 is not based on the DL pressuring the QB(but obviously opinions are like aholes) even tho that is a fact in Sabans D... :roll:

And notice I do not even bring up LAST YEAR.... :wink:

Hot and sweaty from playing with my son and cleaning the pool...edited too many times to count.

 

[TigerTeacher2007]

LOL

I know all about the 3-4.

Remember, we play one too.

That actually makes it that much more important that your DL CAN get pressure... if you can pressure with 3, you're going to take away that intermediate passing game.

Bring one LB, you're still sitting pretty.

Anyway, thought it was a good question, and got some pretty good responses.

Just thought your post dripped with good old fashioned eternal unrealistic optimism... "We'll be better because last year is over!"

Everybody does it. Even Clemson fans... and I laugh at them too.