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Alright guys, I felt compelled to chime in here. There were a few things concerning the game today that I wanted to talk about, but not only that; I wanted to include my 2 cents into some of the topics I've seen on the board this afternoon.

As always, opinion and feedback is welcome.


1. Equal Opportunity Hater

Look! Y'all need to quit hating on Gary Danielson already. In the last couple of years I've heard more and more about how Danielson, (a) hates BAMA, (b) is overly negative, or (c) is secretly dating Tebow the Wonder Child.

First off, yes. Tebow and Danielson are dating. That's obvious. :lol: Danielson is on his own there and I can't help him. But as far as the other stuff, I just have to say that sometimes people need to lighten up a little IMHO.

Look, I'm gonna take some heat for this, but I have to say it. I like the guy! I do. I get a kick out of him, it's largely because of his style. Danielson is the type of guy that is going to say whatever is on his mind at any given time. That's just the way it is. Problem is, we're so condition to think a certain way, and we expect commentators to use a certain etiquette, that anything varying from it is automatically wrong. I don't believe that.

How many times have you guys been watching a game and the commentator talks up the defensive end with 17 felonies on his record, telling us all how lucky college athletics is to have this young man (who is not only a good player mind you, but a good person) participating in the contest? I mean. come on guys. You all hate it, but are conditioned (to a degree) to expect it and dismiss it as political correctness run amok. But then when Danielson delivers one of his trademark, "Ooohhhh! What in the world was he thinking"? lines you get offended.

Speaking of great Danielson lines, here are some of my favorites;

"Mehhhh"!!!

"Aaahhhh....no"!

"What the......."?

"Oh my. Oh my".

Here's what people need to understand about Danielson. Get this and you'll be a lot happier.

Danielson is just negative. That's his style. That's how he comes across, even when I think he's not trying to be negative. Know that, and know that not only does Danielson hate BAMA, he hates everyone! Danielson is an equal opportunity hater. That's what he is. That's what he does. Well, he loves him some Tebow, but aside from that, this is Danielson.

Don't get so bent out of shape when Danielson doesn't sing BAMA's praises on every given play like some sportscasters out there do. That's his personality. He's going to call it his way, and it won't always be positive. But know that, and enjoy it. Heck, I think Danielson is hilarious at times with his commentary because he's only doing or saying what all of us want to at times.

Having said all of that, I can't really defend his comments regarding Grant or Ingram's father, other than to say that in one instance I think Danielson is misinformed, and in another, he simply spoke before thinking. If Danielson was somehow misinformed on Grant's status, it wouldn't be the first time in television history it's happened. It's not that big a deal in my humble opinion. As far as his comments regarding Mark's father, I suspect it was something that Danielson said and then immediately regretted, seeing that it had no bearing on things, and was probably left unsaid. I should also note that initially I thought it was Lundquist that made the comment, but I might be wrong on that. Either way, this is one of those, "cast the first stone" things in my opinion. I mean, who here hasn't done or said something in the moment that they regretted later? Including me now defending Danielson. :lol:

Go easy guys.


2. Voluptuous Verne

Oh my. I'm not sure where to start here, but I guess the question should be asked, what exactly is voluptuous? And the next question should be, is Verne Lundquist that?

Is a 70-something year old man who is a little over-weight considered voluptuous? We should all be a little worried about Tim Brando. I think that Ole Miss loss finally sent Timmy off the deep end.


3. Running Game? We Don't Need No Stinking Running Game!

Okay, I'm not gonna lie people! I was a little disturbed today at our lack of production in the running game. I'm not so concerned about it now, and I'll get back to that in a minute, but bottom line is we have to perform better during SEC play.

Does anyone realize that if we were not playing Arkansas we might have had it handed to us today? I think it's that serious when you play one-dimensional ball in our conference. Arkansas is not a good defensive team. Had we played someone else with a little more balance on both sides of the ball we might not be going into next week with a top-5 ranking.

It seems obvious that we're not the same power running team we were last year.

Is that totally surprising? No. But Alabama needs to be able to move it a little on the ground, and we really struggled doing that today. This team (or any team) cannot be successful over the long haul when picking up 1 or 2 yards on 1st down. You're making things more difficult for your offense, and putting yourself behind the chains when you do that.

Okay, before anyone says, "Well, we had over 100 yards rushing", keep in mind that Trent Richardson got 50+ of that on a play where he should have been tackled for a loss. That was nothing about our offensive line and everything about Richardson.

Okay, having said all of that, I'm reserving judgment on our running game for the moment. Yeah we struggled against our first SEC defense, but we ran it up for 256 against Virginia Tech. Is VaTech an SEC-caliber defense? I would think so. Miami might agree. Miami is back y'all, in case you have not been tuning into ESPN. ;)

I'm willing to reserve judgment, but I'd like to see some improvement in the coming weeks.

4. UNSpeacial Teams

Let me just say this first of all. I'd be surprised, and not pleasantly, if there are not major changes made in this department going into next season.

Again today we come within a hair of giving up a kickoff return for a touchdown. Again today we allow a team to line up in a punt formation against us, only to fake it and pick up the first down. That in itself if not so bad. What's unacceptable is the fact that we seemingly had it defensed. We saw it coming. Then we allowed them to make the first down....again.

This is just the second coming of that same old cavalry, people. The only difference is that in years past, we didn't have the depth or athleticism to put superior athletes onto coverage teams and expect big things. Under Shula we had to make due and hope for the best. We shouldn't have to resort to that now.

It's my opinion that unless something changes with our special teams, they will cost us a game within SEC or bowl play.


5. Very Shula-esq

If anyone has an explination on why McElroy was still in the game at the 7-minute mark with us up 35-7 and having already lost one key player, I'd like to hear it.

Did McElroy need the work?

Were we trying to rub it in, having Greg hand it to Terry Grant time and again on the infamous "Darby" play?

That one bothered me a little.

6. Dont'a

I hope that Dont'a is alright, but I don't think that will be the case. I know that earlier today Terry was saying that Dont'a was out for the season, but I have not talked to Terry since seeing that last bit of info, and might be a bit late to the party on this one.

Going with the limited info I have at this time, I would have to think that things are bad. Hightower, judging by his demeanor after the hit, has at the very least, a tear somewhere. That is almost always season-ending. I don't want this taken the wrong way, but at this point, I hope Dont'a has a tear. Things could be a lot worse if that is not the case. Keep your ear fixed to the Coach Saban convos coming later this evening or tomorrow for more information.


7. Can I Get A Block in The Back, From the Congregation?!

Judas H. Priest! Not to harp on it y'all, but good grief! At what point do people who have played football all of their life just magically figure it out? This seems to be a game to game thing.

Again, we're talking special teams, so I'm not going to go overboard on it, but some things need to be fixed. They're not things that have just started to occur either. These are trends.


8. I'll Take McElroy for 300 Please!

Someone asked the question earlier this week. If given the chance, would you take McElroy or Ryan Mallett as your quarterback?

I never responded to that question, but I'll give my answer now. I'd take McElroy any day of the week, and twice on Saturdays.

Mallett is a solid quarterback who seemingly has all the tools. He'd be an asset to Jim McElwaine and Alabama. I'd still take McElroy though. McElroy seems to have "IT". Whatever IT is, Greg has it. He possesses the intangibles, along with a better arm than most people expect.

I think I saw everything I needed to see from McElroy in the VaTech game to open the season. My opinions were only reinforced today. I think Greg is the gunslinger that Brodie Croyle was, except, he's better. If it makes the media feel better to call him a "manager", then so be it. I can live with that, and ride it all the way to a championship if need be.
 
I can live with most of your post. I won't flame ya. You're entitled to your opinion about Gary as much as anyone else. Personally I don't like people like him who breed negativity and live off it. I'm not wanting the commentators to suck off our tit. I'm just asking for them to at least know where the hell they are. Know who the players are even if you are reading it off a piece of paper (9 year olds can do that). Several times today they said Arkansas was playing Florida. That they were playing Tennessee. At one point they said we were in Fayetteville. WTF? That's not negativity, that's pure stupidity. So to that, to each their own. I can't stand the CBS dynamic dumbass duo. BTW I was serious when I said all that hair dye must be going to his brain. :lol:

The rest of your post I pretty much agree solidly with. I wanted to come thru the TV at Reamer!!! ST needs some MAJOR work as we all knew but I really hope CNS goes out and gets us some help for next season. Our ground game was non-existant today. I hope somehow, someway, our Oline and overal running game can improve...and soon! SEC schedule is now here.
 
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'chop, I can see your pov regarding Danielson & I'm absolutely certain it was Verne who made the remark about Ingram's dad...

-However, just because someone is a cynic doesn't make their observations all the more valid or appropriate. Political correctness be damned (of which I've never been a fan), but being a commentator should warrant some objectivity that isn't always fueled by negativity or cynicism. For example, Danielson constantly remarked that the piggies were confused or overwhelmed, nervous, whatever, & they were not clicking on the Offense. Is there a remote chance the D had something to do with it. YES, & he tipped is hat to the D once b/c he had to not b/c it was the right reason.

-Verne is still doing sports for the vanity of the job. Plain & simple, he is not a talent in this profession & he needs to know when to hang it up. 10 years ago he was good. Not anymore.

-Spot on w/ everything else! The offensive line got exposed today & the special teams have been anything but special this year & if we do get in a close one it will be b/c of them OR we may lose if the special teams are called on.
 
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I can live with most of your post. I won't flame ya. You're entitled to your opinion about Gary as much as anyone else. Personally I don't like people like him who breed negativity and live off it. I'm not wanting the commentators to suck off our tit. I'm just asking for them to at least know where the hell they are. Know who the players are even if you are reading it off a piece of paper. Several times today they said Arkansas was playing Florida. That they were playing Rennessee. At one point they said we were in Fayetteville. WTF? That's not negativity, that's pure stupidity. So to that, to each their own. I can't stand the CBS dynamic dumbass duo. BTW I was serious when I said all that hair dye must be going to his brain. :lol:

The rest of your post I pretty much agree solidly with. I wanted to come thru the TV at Reamer!!! ST needs some MAJOR work as we all knew but I really hope CNS goes out and gets us some help for next season. Our ground game was non-existant today. I hope somehow, someway, our Oline and overal running game can improve...and soon! SEC schedule is now here.

I feel you B J, and agree to a point with what you're saying about the Fayetteville, Florida, references. In all honesty though, I hear this kind of thing in all games. It happens. We notice it more during our games.

As far as the Danielson "hater" references, I was kind of kidding about that. Just playing off the BAMA Nation's tendency to think that everyone is against them all the time. Danielson is what he is, so to speak, but I don;t think he's a bad guy. He just says what he thinks, as opposed to most people in his position.

I appreciate your comment and understand where you're coming from.
 
I like that Danielson doesn't beat around the bush. He typically says whats on his mind. He's much better than Verne Dumquist. How does Dumquist still have a job?

Lionell? Stallworth? The guy is .....

A: High on some kind of narcotic

or

B: Has completely succumbed to alzheimer's.
 
I agree with most everything that was posted. The only comment I would make would be to defend of our offensive line. Arkansas played at least 7 players in the box most of the game. They also ran alot of run blitzes which are very hard to defend when you are outnumbered.
This is the reason that Greg had all the success that he had today. They chose to make Greg beat them and, unlike in years past, we had a quarterback that could do it. I loved JPW as much as anyone but he wouldnt have been able to win that game for us today. The D would have gotten tired by the 4th quarter and it would have been a nail biter.

They gave us the air and Greg made them pay for it. I for one love it!!!

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I feel you B J, and agree to a point with what you're saying about the Fayetteville, Florida, references. In all honesty though, I hear this kind of thing in all games. It happens. We notice it more during our games.

As far as the Danielson "hater" references, I was kind of kidding about that. Just playing off the BAMA Nation's tendency to think that everyone is against them all the time. Danielson is what he is, so to speak, but I don;t think he's a bad guy. He just says what he thinks, as opposed to most people in his position.

I appreciate your comment and understand where you're coming from.

It's all good Chop. I understand where you are coming from too. i don't expect commentators to praise all the teams they are airing or anything. Heck we should know by now UA never gets the praise we feel we deserve (ESPN for reference). I guess his tact is what really rubs me the wrong way and doesn't seem to give credit where credit is do. A good example is when he did the 99 yard drive. Verne brought up how it was a real nice drive and it seemed Gary coudln't wait to try and extinguish some of the glare by saying that Arkansas helped with it. Sure they did but that's football but more importantly I think the O was the bigger reason. Call me crazy Gary lol. And then there was the little bit about saying GMAC isn't a flashy QB and I agree with that but it's the way he was saying it or meaning it that got under my skin. Not to mention GMAC has shown GREAt touch on the deep ball in previous games and this game. When he hit Maze (IIRC) on the outside by the sideline Gary first said it was a nice precise throw only to a few seconds later start saying that ball wouldn't of been caught had the defensive player seen it or soemthing like that. I'm on a few beers right now so my memory isn't all there lol. Not a few seconds later I could ofswron Gary said the throw wasn't all that precise and we were lucky lol.

OK, that's all my rant on Gary tonight. Off to sip on some more Blue Moon. :td:
 
I couldn't care less if he hates Bama or not. My grief is that they are paid professionals and they suck. Butchering names, screwing up the names of the teams that are right freaking in front of them! It's bull$hit and we deserve better from CBS.
 
It's all good Chop. I understand where you are coming from too. i don't expect commentators to praise all the teams they are airing or anything. Heck we should know by now UA never gets the praise we feel we deserve (ESPN for reference). I guess his tact is what really rubs me the wrong way and doesn't seem to give credit where credit is do. A good example is when he did the 99 yard drive. Verne brought up how it was a real nice drive and it seemed Gary coudln't wait to try and extinguish some of the glare by saying that Arkansas helped with it. Sure they did but that's football but more importantly I think the O was the bigger reason. Call me crazy Gary lol. And then there was the little bit about saying GMAC isn't a flashy QB and I agree with that but it's the way he was saying it or meaning it that got under my skin. Not to mention GMAC has shown GREAt touch on the deep ball in previous games and this game. When he hit Maze (IIRC) on the outside by the sideline Gary first said it was a nice precise throw only to a few seconds later start saying that ball wouldn't of been caught had the defensive player seen it or soemthing like that. I'm on a few beers right now so my memory isn't all there lol. Not a few seconds later I could ofswron Gary said the throw wasn't all that precise and we were lucky lol.

OK, that's all my rant on Gary tonight. Off to sip on some more Blue Moon. :td:

The thing about the 99-yard touchdown drive is that Arkansas did help us. They committed penalty after penalty on the drive, which is what Danielson was referring to. Again, this is just Danielson's demeanor (IMHO). He's more apt to point out the flaws than the positives.

On the throw, in all fairness, Danielson initially said it was a perfect throw. When he went back and saw the replay he commented that the throw was just a little short and behind the DB. He then made the statement that it was not the Db's fault and that sometimes this kind of thing just happens.

It seemed to me at the time that Danielson was not picking on McElroy or the DB, but just saying that hey, it was a nice play and the DB did all that he could. McElroy and Maze just made a better play.

I'm coming off as a Danielson apologist here and that is not quite my intention. I do want to hear people's opinion though, so I can see what exactly the issue is, but I'm not making these posts because I owe money to Danielson or want anyone to like him just because I do. I'm not trying to sway opinion so much as just pointing out some things I've noticed.

Having said all of that, I think I'm in a distinct minority here with you guys. :lol:
 
Chopper, I ain't buying it about Danielson or Lundquist.

Verne's day has come and gone. Really needs to retire.

Danielson is truly bias, regardless of what you say about his negativity or his tone and attitude. One can sense the disappointment in his voice and comments any time Bama does something well.

For him to have acknowledged only once that Arkansas' offensive woes may have been the result of the Tide's defensive play was almost laughable. There was a reason for Arkansas receivers dropping passes in the game that they were catching in practice--how about a punishing defense for one?

I've listened to the same old shtick from Danielson and Lundquist way too long now. ABC is head and shoulders above CBS when it comes to Herbstreit and Musberger's game calling vs. Danielson and Lundquist.

But to each his own. I'm sure there are folks in this world who don't mind dealing with hemorhoids either.
 
Chopper, I ain't buying it about Danielson or Lundquist.

Verne's day has come and gone. Really needs to retire.

Danielson is truly bias, regardless of what you say about his negativity or his tone and attitude. One can sense the disappointment in his voice and comments any time Bama does something well.

For him to have acknowledged only once that Arkansas' offensive woes may have been the result of the Tide's defensive play was almost laughable. There was a reason for Arkansas receivers dropping passes in the game that they were catching in practice--how about a punishing defense for one?

I've listened to the same old shtick from Danielson and Lundquist way too long now. ABC is head and shoulders above CBS when it comes to Herbstreit and Musberger's game calling vs. Danielson and Lundquist.

But to each his own. I'm sure there are folks in this world who don't mind dealing with hemorhoids either.

I agree that Lundquist is the Bobby Bowden of telecast, Factor.

As far as Danielson goes, I honestly don't listen to him unless he's calling one of our games, so I might be missing something there (in terms of how he interacts with other teams).
 
Geez Chop, what are you, nuts? How could you choose McElroy over Mallett? Don't you realize he's a Michigan transfer? And I suppose you didn't realize that he's 6'7". Cripes! What a barner!
 
Geez Chop, what are you, nuts? How could you choose McElroy over Mallett? Don't you realize he's a Michigan transfer? And I suppose you didn't realize that he's 6'7". Cripes! What a barner!

Hold the presses!

He transferred from where, Jeff? I'm not sure I've heard this yet?
 
I do get a laugh at Danielson's knee-jerk remarks and his noises. Besides that I really don't care who is in the box, I'm watching Alabama for the game not the guys talking.

As for our running game, I'm a little dissapointed that we can't pound it out now. I will have to go back and look but Arkansas must of had 8 men in the box most of the day. There was always some guys running free right at the line of scrimmage, causing Ingram and Richardson to break a tackle for even one yard.

I'm don't know though, maybe someone who was watching closer can touch more on this. Is our line not blocking well or was Arkansas stacking the box causing problems?
 
yea, leaving Mac in the game........wasnt to sure about that one.

Props to Arky on the run d.....they stopped it most of the night........I can only remember i think 3 running plays that went for more that 10yds.......richardson, Ingram on the TD play and I think Upchurch or Grant had a good gain on a draw.

With the way Mac is playing, we can win without running the ball for 200yds a game.
 
Yeah...we only ran for 134. As already mentioned, Arkansas sold out to stop the run. McElroy made them pay for selling out to stop the run.

I had a sneaky feeling that Arkansas was better on defense than they looked against UGA. I still believe that. They have a lot of speed on defense. Their DT's were all-sec and frosh all-sec last season.

I think Arkansas is going to put the smack-down on the barn. I am not kidding about that. Auburn's offense is not that good. Teams with a pulse who can play assignment football will stop them. Their defense is not great and has little depth.

KY worries me a little. Hopefully the guys will remember last year and not come out flat.

Here's hoping that our LB corp can cover for Hightower. I think we have the depth to continue strong...we barely missed a beat against Arkansas...but you don't lose a player as good and versatile as Hightower and not feel it.

As for GMac being in the game so late, he wasn't doing anything but handing the ball off...as little pressure as he had gotten, he would probably have been in more danger on the sideline.

Those are my thoughts...

I think our running game will be better when teams actually respect the passing game - instead of just giving up touchdowns.
 
Yeah...we only ran for 134. As already mentioned, Arkansas sold out to stop the run. McElroy made them pay for selling out to stop the run.

I had a sneaky feeling that Arkansas was better on defense than they looked against UGA. I still believe that. They have a lot of speed on defense. Their DT's were all-sec and frosh all-sec last season.

I think Arkansas is going to put the smack-down on the barn. I am not kidding about that. Auburn's offense is not that good. Teams with a pulse who can play assignment football will stop them. Their defense is not great and has little depth.

KY worries me a little. Hopefully the guys will remember last year and not come out flat.

Here's hoping that our LB corp can cover for Hightower. I think we have the depth to continue strong...we barely missed a beat against Arkansas...but you don't lose a player as good and versatile as Hightower and not feel it.

As for GMac being in the game so late, he wasn't doing anything but handing the ball off...as little pressure as he had gotten, he would probably have been in more danger on the sideline.

Those are my thoughts...

I think our running game will be better when teams actually respect the passing game - instead of just giving up touchdowns.

I don't know B F. I get a little nervous in that situation personally. I'd still rather see GMac on the sidelines.

As far as AU/ARK goes, I think you're spot on. With the way AU's defense has played, and the way Arky's played today, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Arkansas come out of that one with a win. In fact, I would predict it.

Arky is clearly not a great defensive team, but I think they're better than we gave them credit for. As far as the QB's go, I'll give Mallett the edge on most Qb's in any given game.

There's not a lot been said about it, but the fact is, Mallett had a ton of passes dropped today. His receivers really let him down.
 
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