| FTBL Move the SEC championship Game [Nashville stadium update]

[50+yeartidefan]

That was one reason it was moved from B'Ham.

Plus Legion Field is. Was. A dump
And unsafe area around LF

 

[It Takes Eleven]

The downtown Charlotte area is a pig sty, and getting worse. Their big entertainment district is desolate, and office vacancies in the central city area are building, meaning even less day traffic than now. Stay in SouthPark if you can, and enjoy the drives into town up Queens, Kings or Selwyn - really impressive homes. If you must stay downtown, Rooster's is a good dining option.

I'm not surprised, but the EpiCentre (the large mixed use entertainment complex in downtown Charlotte) was foreclosed late last year.

Value of Big Charlotte Mixed Use Property Lowered But Value Still Close to Outstanding Asset Balance

August servicer data shows that the value of the EpiCentre mixed-use asset in Charlotte has been lowered from $86.8 million (from July 2022) to $80.6 million (as of May 2023).

The property is an REO asset of GSMS 2014-GC22 which is part of CMBX 8. The asset represents 11.84% of that deal.

On the negative, this is the first time the value has been below the asset balance. On the positive side, the value has stayed above $80 million since 2021, even as DSCR has been well below 1.0x.

The subject collateral is a 304,772-square-foot mixed-use property located at 210 East Trade Street in Charlotte, NC. The retail complex was constructed in 2008.

The loan was transferred to special servicing in March 2021 due to imminent monetary default. The asset became REO in September 2022.

For the first nine months of 2022, the asset posted a negative DSCR (NCF) when occupancy was 31%.

 

[bamafan9201]

Moving it to Nashville is the best possible solution, I don't get why people think UT will have some big Home Advantage here. They're literally 3 hours away from Nashville. It takes 30 more minutes to drive from Nasvhille to Tuscaloosa than it does from Nashville to Knoxville.

Tickets will definitely be more UT favored because Titans fans are more likely to be UT fans but I know with how transient Nashville is, there is a bunch of fans of different SEC schools here.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Moving it to Nashville is the best possible solution, I don't get why people think UT will have some big Home Advantage here. They're literally 3 hours away from Nashville. It takes 30 more minutes to drive from Nasvhille to Tuscaloosa than it does from Nashville to Knoxville.

Tickets will definitely be more UT favored because Titans fans are more likely to be UT fans but I know with how transient Nashville is, there is a bunch of fans of different SEC schools here.

Plus tickets are bought up by companies..businesses...that are All Tennessee....

I still believe. New orleans is best.

 

[BamaFan334]

Moving it to Nashville is the best possible solution, I don't get why people think UT will have some big Home Advantage here. They're literally 3 hours away from Nashville. It takes 30 more minutes to drive from Nasvhille to Tuscaloosa than it does from Nashville to Knoxville.

Tickets will definitely be more UT favored because Titans fans are more likely to be UT fans but I know with how transient Nashville is, there is a bunch of fans of different SEC schools here.

I was in Nashville last weekend and every one of their stores (Dicks, Walmart, Alumni Hall) had Tennessee Volunteers gear inside of them. Middle Tennessee as well, but no Vanderbilt. Apparently retailers see the trend that more Tennessee gear gets sold in Nashville than any other team, so I wouldn't buy into the fact a three hour trip isn't offering that.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I was in Nashville last weekend and every one of their stores (Dicks, Walmart, Alumni Hall) had Tennessee Volunteers gear inside of them. Middle Tennessee as well, but no Vanderbilt. Apparently retailers see the trend that more Tennessee gear gets sold in Nashville than any other team, so I wouldn't buy into the fact a three hour trip isn't offering that.

Absolutely...

IT will be major home field....
That fan base is rabid....if they made sec ccgame...i would bet you would see 80% orange....

The only positive...they havent made sec ccgame since 90,s...or very early 2000s

I have been in tenn since 80s. I can say...i have met no more than 2 vandy fans...never seen a car flag...or window sticker..or seen someone wearing a vandy shirt

 

[We All Bleed Crimson]

I disagree. The key to the CFP is where you are seeded. Winning a CCG can help your seeding. At the same time, you could be ranked high going into the CCG, lose, and still be in the top 12 (and possibly lose hosting a game in the first round).

Good point.

 

[OldPlayer]

Moving it to Nashville is the best possible solution, I don't get why people think UT will have some big Home Advantage here. They're literally 3 hours away from Nashville. It takes 30 more minutes to drive from Nasvhille to Tuscaloosa than it does from Nashville to Knoxville.

Tickets will definitely be more UT favored because Titans fans are more likely to be UT fans but I know with how transient Nashville is, there is a bunch of fans of different SEC schools here.

It’s not the drive, it’s the access via air. Atlanta is a major airline hub. Nashville is not. Take any team’s city and see how easy it is to fly Nashville.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I was in Nashville last weekend and every one of their stores (Dicks, Walmart, Alumni Hall) had Tennessee Volunteers gear inside of them. Middle Tennessee as well, but no Vanderbilt. Apparently retailers see the trend that more Tennessee gear gets sold in Nashville than any other team, so I wouldn't buy into the fact a three hour trip isn't offering that.

I stay away from Dicks...

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Plus tickets are bought up by companies..businesses...that are All Tennessee....

I still believe. New orleans is best.

Familiarity breeds contempt. You forgetting about Red Stick?

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Familiarity breeds contempt. You forgetting about Red Stick?

Well. As it WAS. Bama n lsu wouldnt play for sec title

But. That has changed. I reckon

Still.

But choosing best of bad options?

Indianapolis ?

 

[bamafan9201]

I was in Nashville last weekend and every one of their stores (Dicks, Walmart, Alumni Hall) had Tennessee Volunteers gear inside of them. Middle Tennessee as well, but no Vanderbilt. Apparently retailers see the trend that more Tennessee gear gets sold in Nashville than any other team, so I wouldn't buy into the fact a three hour trip isn't offering that.

To be fair, almost everyone of the stores down here also has Alabama gear in them. If you're counting that as a indicator. Vandy isn't represented very well outside of metro nashville area sporting goods and we all know why the alums just don't care enough to stock shelves with their gear.

It’s not the drive, it’s the access via air. Atlanta is a major airline hub. Nashville is not. Take any team’s city and see how easy it is to fly Nashville.

We've already debunked this before, Nashville gets flights from all the major southern cities and with the new additions to the airport finishing up in about a year or two they'll be much larger than they were almost double their size/intake.

Plus tickets are bought up by companies..businesses...that are All Tennessee....

I still believe. New orleans is best.

Huh? You mean the company boxes? Or Season Tickets? Usually it's based off of Season tickets for whichever team plays in the stadium gets first crack at it. Titans are a pretty mixed bag fan base, there's going to be more UT than Bama and other teams but I wouldn't see it being something like 80/20 more like 60/40 (Depending on the team they match-up against).

If you mean company boxes, most of those are held by big corporations around here and most are rarely even used on gamedays at least in the current stadium. Pretty sure they're just used for fun outings and mega-rich businessmen use them to impress new clients/visiting businessmen/women.

I also don't get the New Orleans decision...that's literally the same thing as the Georgia Dome just for LSU instead of UGA why trade one problem with another on that front. Literally 1 hour outside New Orleans, same problem, different place.

 

[TerryP]

I stay away from Dicks...

But you talk to me?

 

[It Takes Eleven]

But you talk to me?

From a distance...

 

[50+yeartidefan]

To be fair, almost everyone of the stores down here also has Alabama gear in them. If you're counting that as a indicator. Vandy isn't represented very well outside of metro nashville area sporting goods and we all know why the alums just don't care enough to stock shelves with their gear.

We've already debunked this before, Nashville gets flights from all the major southern cities and with the new additions to the airport finishing up in about a year or two they'll be much larger than they were almost double their size/intake.


Huh? You mean the company boxes? Or Season Tickets? Usually it's based off of Season tickets for whichever team plays in the stadium gets first crack at it. Titans are a pretty mixed bag fan base, there's going to be more UT than Bama and other teams but I wouldn't see it being something like 80/20 more like 60/40 (Depending on the team they match-up against).

If you mean company boxes, most of those are held by big corporations around here and most are rarely even used on gamedays at least in the current stadium. Pretty sure they're just used for fun outings and mega-rich businessmen use them to impress new clients/visiting businessmen/women.

I also don't get the New Orleans decision...that's literally the same thing as the Georgia Dome just for LSU instead of UGA why trade one problem with another on that front. Literally 1 hour outside New Orleans, same problem, different place.

Not titans...bowls...sponsors...etc

There is no neutral ...completely....place...

It actually would be closer to a 80/20...ok...or maybe 70/30....

But...been 15 years since we had to worry bout TN....
Maybe ok will flop another year...and they will lure the tenn coach away....
Would be funny

 

[BamaFan334]

To be fair, almost everyone of the stores down here also has Alabama gear in them. If you're counting that as a indicator. Vandy isn't represented very well outside of metro nashville area sporting goods and we all know why the alums just don't care enough to stock shelves with their gear.

Where are you located and seeing Alabama gear? Of course all we get is Georgia anywhere in the state of Georgia, with maybe some Auburn stuff in Columbus and Florida State stuff near Thomasville.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Where are you located and seeing Alabama gear? Of course all we get is Georgia anywhere in the state of Georgia, with maybe some Auburn stuff in Columbus and Florida State stuff near Thomasville.

I see bama stuff all around here. Particularly in Chattanooga area but even north

Academy. Walmarts etc. plus specialist stores in Chattanooga

I get Roll Tidesevery where i go

A generation of people growing up with bama on top

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I see bama stuff all around here. Particularly in Chattanooga area but even north

Academy. Walmarts etc. plus specialist stores in Chattanooga

I get Roll Tidesevery where i go

A generation of people growing up with bama on top

True, but I used to see USC junk all over the place when they were in their heyday, and we're nowhere close to them.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

True, but I used to see USC junk all over the place when they were in their heyday, and we're nowhere close to them.

Yep. Winners are attractive to those that wanna be in their corner

The Saban generation "fans" will be around a while. I remember when Gator stuff covered us up around here.

Not old enough to remember USCw ???????

 

[OldPlayer]

We've already debunked this before, Nashville gets flights from all the major southern cities and with the new additions to the airport finishing up in about a year or two they'll be much larger than they were almost double their size/intake.

I believe that was when someone said Atlanta wasn’t the busiest airport in the world.

I just checked. There are zero direct flights to Nashville from Oklahoma City, six from Austin, zero from Gainesville, zero from Little Rock, zero from New Orleans, zero from Columbia, SC, zero from St. Louis, and zero from Kansas City. The rest of the SEC cities we’ll consider driving distance. Airlines won’t be adding flights just because Nashville’s airport got bigger.