🏈 🔎 - Looking ahead to South Carolina...

[Scrape&Search1032]

I'll just say this, if you're using the same signals enough to where a coach is picking up on it. Then thats on you. You can't do that at that level of football and expect a coach not use it to his advantage. All these guys do is watch film and look for any advantage they can to win the game. That goes for the hand signals, the terminology, and those pictures cards they'll use for the play call.

Remember in 2018 vs Mississippi State where their defense was calling out our plays presnap? Tua had to kill the play and call something completely different. And if memory serves me correct, Saban corrected that very quickly. If I'm wrong on that, then someone let me know. But I'm pretty sure Saban changed all our signals after that.

And not discredit Mississippi State that game because a LOT of film study had to go into it to even do that. They also just straight up knew what play we were running due to the indicators we were showing. Leo Lewis recognized pre snap what he was seeing, and then communicated it to the rest of his teammates. Then boom, we ran it to that side and got nothing out of it.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

I'll just say this, if you're using the same signals enough to where a coach is picking up on it. Then thats on you. You can't do that at that level of football and expect a coach not use it to his advantage. All these guys do is watch film and look for any advantage they can to win the game. That goes for the hand signals, the terminology, and those pictures cards they'll use for the play call.

Remember in 2018 vs Mississippi State where their defense was calling out our plays presnap? Tua had to kill the play and call something completely different. And if memory serves me correct, Saban corrected that very quickly. If I'm wrong on that, then someone let me know. But I'm pretty sure Saban changed all our signals after that.

I agree... my point is Venables is the Rain Man of signal stealing. He's a savant. And not just signals, but football style pitch tipping. It's all legal and above board if he's doing it without breaking rules (but again, there have been rumors... mostly, I'd imagine, because he's so damn good at it, Occam's razor simply points to it). I'm just asking how good of a DC would be really be if he was just ordinary in the sign theft dept? IMO, he owes a good bit of his success to his super power.

 

[bama alum]

Is Brooks injured?

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

Is Brooks injured?

I just saw the injury report. Wondering the same.

 

[bamafan9201]

 

[bamafan9201]

Is Brooks injured?

Seems like he's banged up enough to not be able to go this week. I think they're pre-emptively hoping he can rest this one and come back after the bye week healthier. Everyone is a little banged up at this point some more than others.

 

[bamafan9201]

I agree... my point is Venables is the Rain Man of signal stealing. He's a savant. And not just signals, but football style pitch tipping. It's all legal and above board if he's doing it without breaking rules (but again, there have been rumors... mostly, I'd imagine, because he's so damn good at it, Occam's razor simply points to it). I'm just asking how good of a DC would be really be if he was just ordinary in the sign theft dept? IMO, he owes a good bit of his success to his super power.

I dunno seemed like he couldn't figure out what a TE was against us in 2015. I think he's "changed" a bit since that point so this "super power" was not there the entire time at Clemson, he was still a good DC but not this good, starting to wonder a little myself.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

I dunno seemed like he couldn't figure out what a TE was against us in 2015. I think he's "changed" a bit since that point so this "super power" was not there the entire time at Clemson, he was still a good DC but not this good, starting to wonder a little myself.

That 2019 game in Santa Clara though... some difficult stuff to explain there on the surface. But, maybe he was just that good. Certainly there have been games where he didn't know the signals as well. But it obviosity part of his m.o. and has no doubt helped him be a better DC... at least IMO.

 

[TerryP]

and those pictures cards they'll use for the play call.

I haven't seen a team use cards this season. Have you?

 

[It Takes Eleven]

That 2019 game in Santa Clara though... some difficult stuff to explain there on the surface. But, maybe he was just that good. Certainly there have been games where he didn't know the signals as well. But it obviosity part of his m.o. and has no doubt helped him be a better DC... at least IMO.

I don't know if Venables stole signs in that game, or if they did the research and learned Tua's keys for throws. I think the staff's efforts to simplify the game for him made us vulnerable to the latter. He was clearly baited on the first play, and I haven't and won't go back to watch the whole thing again to try and figure it out.

 

[64Tide]

I don't know if Venables stole signs in that game, or if they did the research and learned Tua's keys for throws. I think the staff's efforts to simplify the game for him made us vulnerable to the latter. He was clearly baited on the first play, and I haven't and won't go back to watch the whole thing again to try and figure it out.

Wasn’t this the year we played Okie in Miami? Chased their QB in heat and humidity entire game. I want to say Clem played under more favorable environmental condition.
In short, we were “beat” before kickoff. We were at a decided disadvantage if clem knew what we we were attempting to do on offense. They had a very good team but there had to be outside factors that caused “the worst beat down” of a CNS coached team at UA.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Wasn’t this the year we played Okie in Miami? Chased their QB in heat and humidity entire game. I want to say Clem played under more favorable environmental condition.
In short, we were “beat” before kickoff. We were at a decided disadvantage if clem knew what we we were attempting to do on offense. They had a very good team but there had to be outside factors that caused “the worst beat down” of a CNS coached team at UA.

I just saw Venables and assumed it was our loss to Clemson, I didn’t check the year.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

I haven't seen a team use cards this season. Have you?

Some have, yes.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

I don't know if Venables stole signs in that game, or if they did the research and learned Tua's keys for throws. I think the staff's efforts to simplify the game for him made us vulnerable to the latter. He was clearly baited on the first play, and I haven't and won't go back to watch the whole thing again to try and figure it out.

Not have I. Nor will I. I just know there were some whispers about (not saying I subscribe to them). But it is somewhat of an interesting theory given his reputation. And if it truly goes beyond the more legal sign stealing ways with him, as other teams have alleged (LSU for example)… that would also includes practice spies. Which could, emphasis on could, explain some things since teams will walk through their game scripts late in the week.

All of this said, if he became available and Bama needed a DC, I’d be all aboard the Venables train. And unlike Pruitt, who I think was the best Saban ever had, IMO Venables and this staff would mesh pretty well. But, that’s LaLa Land stuff as we sit here today.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

All of this said, if he became available and Bama needed a DC, I’d be all aboard the Venables train.

I would bounce off fucking walls if we were ever able land Venables as our DC. Personally, I hold Kirby and Pruitt in a very high light as defensive minds, and also with ILB coaching. Venables is right there with them in my eyes. If that happened, good luck to everyone else in college football.

We need him to lose out, lol. And then let Oklahoma poach heupel away from Tennessee. Win-win.....

 

[Krimson]

Not have I. Nor will I. I just know there were some whispers about (not saying I subscribe to them). But it is somewhat of an interesting theory given his reputation. And if it truly goes beyond the more legal sign stealing ways with him, as other teams have alleged (LSU for example)… that would also includes practice spies. Which could, emphasis on could, explain some things since teams will walk through their game scripts late in the week.

All of this said, if he became available and Bama needed a DC, I’d be all aboard the Venables train. And unlike Pruitt, who I think was the best Saban ever had, IMO Venables and this staff would mesh pretty well. But, that’s LaLa Land stuff as we sit here today.

My dad and I were talking the other day and he said basically the same thing but he wants dual head coaches with Venables being the D HC and Deboer being the O HC.

 

[Rolltide24]

I would bounce off fucking walls if we were ever able land Venables as our DC. Personally, I hold Kirby and Pruitt in a very high light as defensive minds, and also with ILB coaching. Venables is right there with them in my eyes. If that happened, good luck to everyone else in college football.

We need him to lose out, lol. And then let Oklahoma poach heupel away from Tennessee. Win-win.....

Scrape, where do you fit Bud Foster?

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

Scrape, where do you fit Bud Foster?

He's up there, this may get me to do a top 10 list of this. Lol, give me a little bit and I may be to.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I would bounce off fucking walls if we were ever able land Venables as our DC.

After lunch yesterday, be sure and scrape them first.

 

[Rolltide24]

After lunch yesterday, be sure and scrape them first.

Thankfully he never finished the story on that meal…