Recently retired and still work on base. They are fully capable of it.
Kapernick Shakedown/ Roll Tide Laura
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Recently retired and still work on base. They are fully capable of it.
Well it obviously means a lot to enough people to threaten business, thus why he can't find a team. The flag means a lot to us folks that didn't serve because we know the sacrifice it takes to protect it, and people like yourself and others that gave that sacrifice mean a great deal to us. We may not understand the reasons why you and others that have served don't take offense, but maybe it's the way we feel we can defend y'all and support your efforts whereas there are so many in this country that do not appreciate what you've done. We also know there are a lot of folks that go into the service that simply hate school and don't know what to do with their lives, so maybe they don't see it as representing a country and fighting for what so many of us appreciate, but yet see it as a way to make more money than they would flipping burgers. In the end, it doesn't really matter what you, me, or anyone else thinks, but the majority of Americans feel strong about this, and they're the ones that will be sided with. So many people cannot communicate these days, because all they know is how to argue, and I think that's why this is still a thing. Respect what the masses want and move on with your life. If you don't like it, tough nuggets, because one vote doesn't outweigh millions of votes.
The NFL is all about $$$. Without $$$ there is no NFL, so of course these billionaire owners are going to side with those that give them $$$, because it's ultimately all about the $$$ to them. They don't want to hurt their brand from a financial standpoint.
It's hard to claim you are oppressed for being black when you have a free education, great job, great house in a great neighborhood, a great car, you were able to vote for anyone you wanted and you had a black president (also not oppressed).
So yes, if you are claiming black people today are oppressed then I would say shut up as they have more advantages afforded to them than my kids will have.
Is HE claiming to be oppressed. And for the record I won't say blacks are oppressed... But discrimination is alive and well
To be fair, it goes both ways. Throw out history, in today's world everyone is discriminated against in some way shape or form. Whether it's because of history, beliefs, religion etc, everyone is discriminated against.
You are right discrimination is alive and well but who is being discriminated against has changed tremendously. But back on topic, as you stated above black people are not oppressed, so Kapernick sitting for the anthem until blacks are no longer oppressed.. is total horse sh*t. All it does is offend people who view it as disrespectful to the people who have fought and died for their country. This should end your surprise of why people are still talking about what he is doing rather than why he is doing it. His reason for doing it is B.S. and it is disrespectful to the majority of the country.
His reason is not oppression? Here is his exact quote for why he is doing it. "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.
People do get outraged over what they at old to but generally the crowd that this upsets aren't the normal "sheep" who follow the leader. That tends to be a younger, more niave group of people. I am former military, my grandfather fought in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. My Father and Mother were in the Military as well as my brothers. As long as we have been here we have fought for our country. A rich brat who doesn't respect or understand what his freedom cost rubs some of us the wrong way.
PS. my mother and her family immigrated here (legally) and fought their heart out for that flag
So if he is saying he won't stand because of racism in this country, why do you keep equating it to nationalism? If you could somehow weave it into a civil war that was fought in this country that was all about racism, that would seem to compute. Otherwise, he has made it clear that his issue has nothing to do with nationalism.
I'm still trying to understand this statement....
As far as reveille or retreat are concerned., IIRC (it's been a while), neither of those have anything to do with standing at attention and saluting. Reveille, means get your hind parts up and out of bed, and taps means lights out, go to bed! 'Colors' were held when Old Glory was raised or lowered for the day, and people were required to face the flag and salute, or place their hands over their heart. At least that's what I recall, I may be slightly off on nomenclature, but that's pretty much the gist of it.
Roll Tide!
I go to alot of high school events and I see both men, women, and kids wearing hats, talking, and on their phones while the national anthem is being played.
When I go to a college games or pro games, I see the same thing there. Where is the outrage...
I never cared for Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem, it's his choice (which I do support), I just thought it was a terrible decision (I do believe you show respect while the anthem is being played, it means something to me probably because I served in the military). That being said, he brought some things to light, but did it at a huge cost to himself. Luckily he made $29M from the 49ers and who knows how much he made from endorsements.
When I go to a college games or pro games, I see the same thing there. Where is the outrage...
I never cared for Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem, it's his choice (which I do support), I just thought it was a terrible decision (I do believe you show respect while the anthem is being played, it means something to me probably because I served in the military). That being said, he brought some things to light, but did it at a huge cost to himself. Luckily he made $29M from the 49ers and who knows how much he made from endorsements.
The retreat ceremony serves a twofold purpose. It signals the end of the official duty day and serves as a ceremony for paying respect to the flag. And at the bases ive been stationed or served duty at, its followed by the National Anthem.
You are unbelievably delusional.
Their entire belief is you have the freedom of speech, as long as you dont offend THEM with your speech. Ironic considering these are the same people that whine about liberals being "snowflakes" and offended by everything. If people got outraged everytime an unarmed person was gunned down by cops as much as they did about a fucking QB kneeling during the national anthem, maybe we wouldnt have it happen so much...
You are a colossal douche bag. I don't give a fuck if you're a Bama fan or not...you are a beta male of the highest order. The fact that you can't see the hypocrisy in just about everything you say when it comes to social/political issues borders on the unbelievable.
Speaking strictly from the Army side of things; IAW AR 600-25; SOLDIERS AND CIVILIANS must render "courtesies" during "Reveille" , "Retreat" as a prelude "To The Colors." On Army posts ALL vehicles stop and persons render honors etc! In my 26 (active and DoD) years of service, I've never heard (on Post) the National Anthem played after "Retreat" or "To The Colors."
I cant speak on other bases or posts........ but Shaw AFB, Aviano AB (which plays both Anthems), Edwards, Nellis AFB, Barksdale AFB, Hill AFB, Kunsan AB, and a few others.
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