| NEWS NY Times: Alabama’s Longtime Hostility to Gambling Shows Signs of Fading

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Even more than its Bible Belt neighbors, Alabama has steadfastly resisted legalizing gambling for generations.

The clout of evangelical Christians helped make sure of it: Joe Godfrey, the top lobbyist for the state’s most powerful churches, once received an Inauguration Day promise from an influential politician that no proposal for gambling would make it through the State House while he was in office.

But the resistance is now openly fraying, suggesting that gambling is no longer a potent moral issue that animates voters and politicians the way it once did.

As the landscape shifts in Montgomery, the state capital, the consequences may reverberate across the South, where nearby states gladly rake in billions of dollars that Alabamians are not allowed to wager at home.

The Supreme Court opened a new front last month when it cleared the way for sports betting in any state that wanted it, a ruling that neighboring Mississippi swiftly moved to embrace. And on Tuesday, Alabama voters in both major parties nominated candidates for governor who favor a vote on creating a state lottery.

“I dread going back into session, if I’m re-elected, knowing that there’s probably going to be fantasy sports, there’s going to be the lottery, there’s going to be sports gambling, the Vegas-type gambling,” said Rich Wingo, a Republican state representative who opposes all those things. “I just feel like we’re going to be inundated with this gambling issue.”

Hardly anyone, Mr. Wingo included, believes that Alabama, which allows bingo, bets on horse and dog racing and a few tribal casinos with no table games, will quickly embrace other ways to wager. But the races this year for governor and for every seat in the Legislature are already accelerating debate about some of them, testing the political strength of the evangelical Christians who have blocked proposals in the past.

“I think there’s been a change in attitude, a slight change in attitude, maybe an unwitting change in attitude,” said Don Siegelman, a Democratic former governor who proposed a state lottery, only to have voters soundly reject it in 1999. “I don’t think the evangelicals would organize and execute a plan to defeat sports betting with the same passion and enthusiasm that they mustered in 1999.”

Republican Party consultants say their polling now shows overwhelming support for a vote on a lottery, even among self-identified churchgoers. In recent interviews, elected officials, pastors, political strategists and voters all said they sensed far less ferocity around an issue that once electrified Alabama politics.

In the years after Mr. Siegelman’s plan failed, there were crackdowns on the state’s electronic bingo halls; accusations of corruption, only a few of which were proven, including some against Mr. Siegelman; and an uproarwhen an influential Republican lawmaker floated the idea of legalizing some gambling instead of raising taxes.

Less than two years ago, a Republican governor who had been a Baptist deacon proposed a referendum on setting up a lottery, and even called a special session of the Legislature, but the effort stalled. Now, both the Republican governor, Kay Ivey, and her Democratic rival, Walt Maddox, say the state should hold a vote.

Still, there are limits: At least for now, the home of the storied Iron Bowl college football rivalry — the state all but freezes each year for the duel between Alabama and Auburn — seems far more likely to start a lottery than legalize sports betting.

No single theory has won out to explain why Alabama’s anti-gambling fervor may have ebbed.

Some see a creeping secularization in what has long been one of America’s most churchgoing states, or wonder whether voters and elected officials alike have simply grown exhausted by the issue. Others see rising voter frustration over how Alabamians wind up padding the budgets of other states when they cross borders to buy Powerball tickets or play blackjack.

And there is the reality that plenty of people who stay in Alabama are placing bets already. Illegal, untaxed gambling is thought to be widespread, and the state’s three tribal casinos, limited as they are in what they can offer, attract patrons from all over Alabama. A local minister was known to drive Harper Lee, the author of “To Kill a Mockingbird,” to one of them before she died in 2016.

Mr. Godfrey, the church lobbyist and executive director of the interdenominational Alabama Citizens Action Program, said the coalition against legalized gambling had fractured.

“It used to be that we could count on the Republicans and the business community to fight, but we’ve lost the Republicans, we’ve lost the business community,”

Mr. Godfrey said at the group’s offices in Birmingham. “The churches will be the last line of defense — that’s the only firewall left.”

He recalled how in 1999, after Georgia had started a lottery and casinos had opened in Mississippi, the Baptist church he pastored took $5,000 out of its missions budget to use in thwarting Mr. Siegelman’s lottery plan.

Alabama is home to two college football powerhouses, Alabama and Auburn, that many state residents would bet on if sports wagering were legal. Fans cheered for the Crimson Tide of Alabama at a home game in Tuscaloosa.CreditEdmund D. Fountain for The New York Times

But opposition to gambling has dwindled as a priority for many Christian leaders across the country, and the confidence and vigor that Mr. Godfrey once saw has been replaced with worries about whether many Christians remain willing to fight the issue.

“The biggest priority right now for me is reminding evangelicals of why we are opposed to gambling, which means teaching a biblical view of economic stewardship and a biblical view of concern for the poor,” said Russell Moore, who leads the Southern Baptist Convention’s public policy arm and is a native of the casino-dotted Mississippi coast. “I’m not concerned that evangelicals are changing their position on gambling, as much as I’m concerned that there’s often a kind of fatalism that assumes that gambling is going to be part of every economy.”

Even so, some Christians and their leaders said they were comfortable with de-emphasizing gambling as an issue. The Rev. Neil Reynolds, the senior minister at the University Church of Christ in Tuscaloosa, said gambling, like alcohol, was not “an evil that’s going to ruin our community.”

“We are too often known for the things that we’re against, instead of the things we’re for and who we are,” Mr. Reynolds said in his office near the stadium of a Crimson Tide football program that many an Alabamian would bet on legally if they could. (Even Wayne Flynt, a Baptist minister and a professor emeritus of history at Auburn University, said the one bet he had made in his life had been a friendly $1 wager on Alabama.)

With so much money potentially at stake both for Alabama and for its neighbors, there is plentiful speculation about how much resistance may remain to gambling in the state. Professor Flynt said he thought there would still be plenty, simply because many people are used to thinking of gambling as something done in “godless Yankee places that vote for Hillary Clinton.”

Gambling proponents recognize the cultural headwinds and, like Mr. Maddox, are framing their plans as vital to the state’s economic future.

“I think that evangelical Christians of all denominations, many of whom used to be opposed to the lottery, see that if the money is spent on our children, for our children’s education or for some other important public purpose that it’s O.K.,” Mr. Siegelman said, reviving some of his 1999 pitch. “It’s like a donation to the church, or a donation to education, or a donation to veterans.”

Mr. Godfrey said that he and his allies sensed the danger and expected to face a well-financed and well-crafted strategy to promote what they saw as an unmitigated vice.

“Jesus never told us it would be easy,” he said.

Alabama’s Longtime Hostility to Gambling Shows Signs of Fading
 
“I dread going back into session, if I’m re-elected, knowing that there’s probably going to be fantasy sports, there’s going to be the lottery, there’s going to be sports gambling, the Vegas-type gambling,” said Rich Wingo, a Republican state representative who opposes all those things. “I just feel like we’re going to be inundated with this gambling issue.”
Then don't run for office.

Paraphrased: I dread going back to work to do the job I was elected to do?

And, by the way, what exactly is "Vegas-type gambling?" Uh, gambling?
 
“I dread going back into session, if I’m re-elected, knowing that there’s probably going to be fantasy sports, there’s going to be the lottery, there’s going to be sports gambling, the Vegas-type gambling,” said Rich Wingo, a Republican state representative who opposes all those things. “I just feel like we’re going to be inundated with this gambling issue.”
Then don't run for office.

Paraphrased: I dread going back to work to do the job I was elected to do?

And, by the way, what exactly is "Vegas-type gambling?" Uh, gambling?

Boy, is that not the problem with almost every single politician out there or what? All they want to do is campaign 24/7 (aka raise money). "Please dont ever make me tackle an issue that people give a shit about."

And my "Vegas-style" I'm sure he's referring to casinos.

This dude played football at Bama, by the way, so that's just awesome...

my biggest complaint against those law-makers in this state who oppose gambling are the reasons WHY they oppose it.

90% of time they won't give a reason. They don't want to possibly upset super religious people that think gambling is "immoral" but don't want to flat out admit they won't touch the issue for religious reasons (because that tiny thing called the constitution). No one can scream "separation of church and state" if you dont flat out say you want to keep something illegal because of your religious beliefs (or those of some of your supporters).
 
And my "Vegas-style" I'm sure he's referring to casinos.
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Just shows how out of touch with reality they are.
 
90% of time they won't give a reason. They don't want to possibly upset super religious people that think gambling is "immoral" but don't want to flat out admit they won't touch the issue for religious reasons (because that tiny thing called the constitution). No one can scream "separation of church and state" if you dont flat out say you want to keep something illegal because of your religious beliefs (or those of some of your supporters).
Not applicable--as misunderstood as free speech.
 
And my "Vegas-style" I'm sure he's referring to casinos.
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Just shows how out of touch with reality they are.
The only thing I can come up with is no table gambling (IE: Hold 'em, five card, et. al.) Which in itself shows how out of touch they are if this is all under the guise of "protecting the population." I don't play the machines because at the tables you've got some control.
 
90% of time they won't give a reason. They don't want to possibly upset super religious people that think gambling is "immoral" but don't want to flat out admit they won't touch the issue for religious reasons (because that tiny thing called the constitution). No one can scream "separation of church and state" if you dont flat out say you want to keep something illegal because of your religious beliefs (or those of some of your supporters).
Not applicable--as misunderstood as free speech.

Huh?
 
“I dread going back into session, if I’m re-elected, knowing that there’s probably going to be fantasy sports, there’s going to be the lottery, there’s going to be sports gambling, the Vegas-type gambling,” said Rich Wingo, a Republican state representative who opposes all those things. “I just feel like we’re going to be inundated with this gambling issue.”
Then don't run for office.

Paraphrased: I dread going back to work to do the job I was elected to do?

And, by the way, what exactly is "Vegas-type gambling?" Uh, gambling?

Vegas-style gambling includes blackjack, poker, roulette, slot machines, etc versus sports book. The legislators are in a bind. While legalizing gambling could bring a lot of money into the state, the majority of the voters don't want it. If the legislators allow gambling, they'll be voted out in the next election. If they put it on a ballot for the voters, it will fail (so why do it? Even voting to get it to ballot could get them unelected). Legalizing gambling also brings the potential of organized crime (who would love to tap into the potential windfall from a state that doesn't know how to protect against organized crime).
 
“I dread going back into session, if I’m re-elected, knowing that there’s probably going to be fantasy sports, there’s going to be the lottery, there’s going to be sports gambling, the Vegas-type gambling,” said Rich Wingo, a Republican state representative who opposes all those things. “I just feel like we’re going to be inundated with this gambling issue.”
Then don't run for office.

Paraphrased: I dread going back to work to do the job I was elected to do?

And, by the way, what exactly is "Vegas-type gambling?" Uh, gambling?

The legislators are in a bind. While legalizing gambling could bring a lot of money into the state, the majority of the voters don't want it. If the legislators allow gambling, they'll be voted out in the next election. If they put it on a ballot for the voters, it will fail (so why do it? Even voting to get it to ballot could get them unelected). Legalizing gambling also brings the potential of organized crime (who would love to tap into the potential windfall from a state that doesn't know how to protect against organized crime).

Completely and utterly false.

Huge support exists for Alabama gambling vote, pro-gambling group poll shows

And the organized crime thing is probably the most silly thing I've ever read. Ever heard of the Dixie Mafia? Organized crime pops in places that have prohibition, not the other way around.
 
90% of time they won't give a reason. They don't want to possibly upset super religious people that think gambling is "immoral" but don't want to flat out admit they won't touch the issue for religious reasons (because that tiny thing called the constitution). No one can scream "separation of church and state" if you dont flat out say you want to keep something illegal because of your religious beliefs (or those of some of your supporters).
Not applicable--as misunderstood as free speech.

Huh?
I don't know how more clear I can be here. If people are trying to push the "separation of church and state" into this narrative it is not applicable. Allowing casino's to be built has nothing to do with the the constitution. Are they prohibiting the exercise of any said religion(s?) The establishment of...?

I mention free speech because people interpret that as "I can say anything, anywhere." Not the case, is it? It's about laws censoring such not a blanket "you can't say what you want, when you want" clause.
 
Casinos in Georgia would be the death of me. I like gambling too much. Cherokee being 3 hours away, Biloxi being 5.5 hours, and New Orleans being 6 hours away is as close as I need to be to one.
 
“I dread going back into session, if I’m re-elected, knowing that there’s probably going to be fantasy sports, there’s going to be the lottery, there’s going to be sports gambling, the Vegas-type gambling,” said Rich Wingo, a Republican state representative who opposes all those things. “I just feel like we’re going to be inundated with this gambling issue.”
Then don't run for office.

Paraphrased: I dread going back to work to do the job I was elected to do?

And, by the way, what exactly is "Vegas-type gambling?" Uh, gambling?

The legislators are in a bind. While legalizing gambling could bring a lot of money into the state, the majority of the voters don't want it. If the legislators allow gambling, they'll be voted out in the next election. If they put it on a ballot for the voters, it will fail (so why do it? Even voting to get it to ballot could get them unelected). Legalizing gambling also brings the potential of organized crime (who would love to tap into the potential windfall from a state that doesn't know how to protect against organized crime).

Completely and utterly false.

Huge support exists for Alabama gambling vote, pro-gambling group poll shows

And the organized crime thing is probably the most silly thing I've ever read. Ever heard of the Dixie Mafia? Organized crime pops in places that have prohibition, not the other way around.

"...pro-gambling group poll says"

Of course they're going to say that. Organized crime was in Las Vegas and Atlantic City (no prohibition there). If you think the Dixie Mafia is organized crime, you need to research the Cosa Nostra. Plus, there's a reason the Dixie Mafia is based in Biloxi (it's because of the gambling).
 
90% of time they won't give a reason. They don't want to possibly upset super religious people that think gambling is "immoral" but don't want to flat out admit they won't touch the issue for religious reasons (because that tiny thing called the constitution). No one can scream "separation of church and state" if you dont flat out say you want to keep something illegal because of your religious beliefs (or those of some of your supporters).
Not applicable--as misunderstood as free speech.

Huh?
I don't know how more clear I can be here. If people are trying to push the "separation of church and state" into this narrative it is not applicable. Allowing casino's to be built has nothing to do with the the constitution. Are they prohibiting the exercise of any said religion(s?) The establishment of...?

I mention free speech because people interpret that as "I can say anything, anywhere." Not the case, is it? It's about laws censoring such not a blanket "you can't say what you want, when you want" clause.

Either you're confused or I'm confused here, and honestly I thought I was pretty clear. One of the main arguments against casinos in this state is because it's a sin... religion. That's where the separation of church and state comes in.
 
“I dread going back into session, if I’m re-elected, knowing that there’s probably going to be fantasy sports, there’s going to be the lottery, there’s going to be sports gambling, the Vegas-type gambling,” said Rich Wingo, a Republican state representative who opposes all those things. “I just feel like we’re going to be inundated with this gambling issue.”
Then don't run for office.

Paraphrased: I dread going back to work to do the job I was elected to do?

And, by the way, what exactly is "Vegas-type gambling?" Uh, gambling?

The legislators are in a bind. While legalizing gambling could bring a lot of money into the state, the majority of the voters don't want it. If the legislators allow gambling, they'll be voted out in the next election. If they put it on a ballot for the voters, it will fail (so why do it? Even voting to get it to ballot could get them unelected). Legalizing gambling also brings the potential of organized crime (who would love to tap into the potential windfall from a state that doesn't know how to protect against organized crime).

Completely and utterly false.

Huge support exists for Alabama gambling vote, pro-gambling group poll shows

And the organized crime thing is probably the most silly thing I've ever read. Ever heard of the Dixie Mafia? Organized crime pops in places that have prohibition, not the other way around.

"...pro-gambling group poll says"

Of course they're going to say that. Organized crime was in Las Vegas and Atlantic City (no prohibition there). If you think the Dixie Mafia is organized crime, you need to research the Cosa Nostra. Plus, there's a reason the Dixie Mafia is based in Biloxi (it's because of the gambling).

Show me another poll... you can't because the people that are against it don't want to poll it... kinda the point.

If you DON'T think the Dixie Mafia is organized crime, you need to research what the term "organized crime" means.

Biloxi, seriously? They didn't freaking legalize gambling until the 1990s. The Dixie Mafia has been around since the 60s. Thanks for proving that point.

And as far as the Mafia goes, they've had influence in Vegas since the 20s. Gambling was legalized in the 30s. Atlantic City/Jersey didn't legalize gambling until the 70s, do we need to say how long the mafia had their foot hold in Jersey? Besides the mafia's biggest racket was also alcohol during prohibition, period and ILLEGAL gambling. They got involved with the legit stuff or awhile before the FBI shut that down.
 
Either you're confused or I'm confused here, and honestly I thought I was pretty clear. One of the main arguments against casinos in this state is because it's a sin... religion. That's where the separation of church and state comes in.
Neither. I think we're beating the same drum from different sides.

A law making it legal for casino's to be built will not stop the establishment of a religion or the practice thereof. It may offend some, yes. But, they can't make an argument of the church and state here. Casino's don't interfere with the practice, establishment, etc. of any religion. That's the reason I said it's not applicable.

“I dread going back into session, if I’m re-elected, knowing that there’s probably going to be fantasy sports, there’s going to be the lottery, there’s going to be sports gambling, the Vegas-type gambling,” said Rich Wingo, a Republican state representative who opposes all those things. “I just feel like we’re going to be inundated with this gambling issue.”
Then don't run for office.

Paraphrased: I dread going back to work to do the job I was elected to do?

And, by the way, what exactly is "Vegas-type gambling?" Uh, gambling?

The legislators are in a bind. While legalizing gambling could bring a lot of money into the state, the majority of the voters don't want it. If the legislators allow gambling, they'll be voted out in the next election. If they put it on a ballot for the voters, it will fail (so why do it? Even voting to get it to ballot could get them unelected). Legalizing gambling also brings the potential of organized crime (who would love to tap into the potential windfall from a state that doesn't know how to protect against organized crime).

Completely and utterly false.

Huge support exists for Alabama gambling vote, pro-gambling group poll shows

And the organized crime thing is probably the most silly thing I've ever read. Ever heard of the Dixie Mafia? Organized crime pops in places that have prohibition, not the other way around.

"...pro-gambling group poll says"

Of course they're going to say that. Organized crime was in Las Vegas and Atlantic City (no prohibition there). If you think the Dixie Mafia is organized crime, you need to research the Cosa Nostra. Plus, there's a reason the Dixie Mafia is based in Biloxi (it's because of the gambling).
Show me another poll... you can't because the people that are against it don't want to poll it... kinda the point.
The Alabama Jobs Foundation recently conducted a poll that showed 89 percent of Alabamians want the right to vote on gaming, while 69 percent are in favor of supporting an education lottery and gaming amendment.

https://www.bizjournals.com/birming...s-majority-of-alabamians-want-to-vote-on.html
 
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