He also said "we don't know." But, let's set that aside...
I do think you hold a lot of anger about some things. I've certainly never called you stupid, or a liberal. Ease up on that party, Josh. It doesn't play in my case with you.
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I do think you hold a lot of anger about some things. I've certainly never called you stupid, or a liberal. Ease up on that party, Josh. It doesn't play in my case with you.
So, he said "we dont know" and that should make it okay that he also said "It will go away like magic," "we only have 15 cases and soon none," "there will be a vaccine very very soon" along with the fact that he did nothing? HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He has access to every bit of knowledge you can think of. People in his own damn cabinet were telling him he needs to take this seriously. He did not. But people like you will say "hey we didnt have half a million die, good job." That's all that matters.
Dude, you have no clue how much anger I hold. You do not know me. You see me post comments on a message board where you can gain no context for that. I get frustrated like most people do but I get frustrated when things like I point to facts and then someone else has the balls to point back at me and go "see no matter how many facts are showed to you you just dig your heels in." I get frustrated when the same people that tell me I'm being unreasonable for suggesting Jared Kushner was unqualified and then when I give you examples of what JUST HAPPENED with medical equipment and favors and Im told I'm just angry.
And I wasn't necessarily referring to you with stupid lib. Look back through this thread, it (or similar things) are repeated over and over. 12 has literally accused me of assaulting my wife because he doesn't agree with my political beliefs on a freaking message board.
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I didn't accuse you of assaulting your wife. I was, however, genuinely concerned for her well being because of your anger problem, not because of your views. I'm getting that way again.
Are the quotations marks journalistic freedom here? While he said "we don't know" this "It will go away like magic" deseres a (sic.) I see that as misconstruing things.
I continue to see "he did nothing" and then I look at the timeline and pause. WHO's declaration...on the 30th as I recall and travel shutdown was enacted by the 2nd of February.
As I also recall it was the 21st, maybe 22nd, when the CDC first reported the travel related case in the US. 10 day period where there was a lot of opposition to the travel ban. We still had people from John Hopkins saying it wouldn't help after it had been implemented.
I also recall there were only six other countries that had a ban in place before the US started ours.
Something I consider after each opinion voiced here; it's 20/20 highsight on something that's unknown. A more proactive measures should have been taken?
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It's a fact that this virus is not as bad as forecasted. You claim you speak in facts, but the fact is that this virus has not been as bad as you and a lot of other initially thought. A lot of lies and corruption at all levels on this mess. You're too emotional and angry for anyone to converse with. You talk down to people instead of talking to people. Anger? Yeah, others have seen it as well. Reminds me of a teenager that thinks it's everyone else and not them. You chide the older members of this thread, but you are showing nothing different than every other young chump out there that thinks they know at all. We're the same age, so spare me your bullshit about age and views on life. Just move forward and realize you don't have all the right answers nor do you know it all like you suggest on here. And once again, if you feel like you can do better, get off your ass and do something other than pecking at a keyboard bitching about the failures of those that are attempting to do something.
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I've read and heard people having these self-introspective moments and one recently caught my attention.
He mentioned Reddit and how UNC, Harvard's guy, Wuhan, and stories about the WHO were really picking up and a lot of people dismissed stories as conspiracies, "where my tin foil hat" cliches.
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An Italian newspaper reported in 2011 of Chinese scientists in Wuhan, engineering a coronavirus with a bat virus or some such.
BamaFan334 this is true but I think there is some context missing with regards to why. Is it not as bad because of what actions were taken as a nation or because the forecast was bad? I do not think it is ever as simple as one thing so I propose that it is a combination.
BTW you call something a forecast for a reason, it is never absolutely correct by its nature. Now to be off as much as the initial estimates compared to what we are seeing you could argue but even that retrospective needs to be done carefully. A forecast is based on a set of assumptions that we by design took action to change.
I find it interesting that people blame others for not doing enough. How much is enough when no one has faced this before? Hindsight is 20/20. IMO, the best way to evaluate performance (and no one is perfect, there is always more that can/could have been done) is to compare results to others (we do it in sports, in business, in life). This was posted the other day regarding the media stirring panic about the number of deaths in the U.S. exceeding all other countries, including Italy who has been the poster child of disease impact. When you compare the U.S. to other countries on a common scale, the U.S. has done a pretty good job battling the disease. If all things were equal, you would expect larger countries to have more cases and deaths than smaller countries. The map shows how Italy compares in size to the U.S. and then shows an analysis using a common baseline - deaths per million people.
@OldPlayer this is where we all have to acknowledge our biases. If you want to see that Trump is doing a bad job that is what you will see and vice-versa if you want to view that is is doing great that is what you will see. I just finished a book related to people and what drives them. It talked alot about having a connection and a belief system. If you tap into that then it produces loyalty beyond what is logical and reasonable. Companies know this. Apple people are loyal and will pay more for the product because they feel a connection. Same with Harley Davidson people, they are loyal beyond what is logical.
This is just human nature. You could say the same thing about us on this board. We are connected by our love for sports and bama football. We will likely give the people at Alabama the benefit of the doubt and less likely to give other programs the benefit of the doubt.
This is just human nature. You could say the same thing about us on this board. We are connected by our love for sports and bama football. We will likely give the people at Alabama the benefit of the doubt and less likely to give other programs the benefit of the doubt.
I agree with you on your comments. I guess my point was this was not as bad as most of those jumping off the roof in the beginning and ripping folks like me for saying it was going to be no different than flu like numbers. You also made a point about how far off they were on the forecasts, which is a major point. On top of it, numbers that are currently logged are even being discussed as overstated. Fear mongering has done far worse to this country than the actual virus if you ask me. The economic implications are far worse, and then multiplied a few times compared to the health aspect. That's just my opinion, and I know I can be hard headed about things that haven't directly affected me. It has affected me socially, but luckily not health wise or financially.
@BamaFan334 I agree with you on the financial impact. We have not seen that wave hit as hard as its going to in my view. Now I am not one that has personally been impacted other than remote work so it is easy for my to overlook the impact of the virus itself.
There is no doubt in my mind this would have been much worse had states not taken the steps they did.
The financial impact of this has yet to be felt...
There's a line there with me, two things to consider: the "health response" and the "financial response."
Interesting thing about this thread ... early on there were recommendations to get bullish with your financial responses. Fear doesn't drive that "motivation."
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The full financial impact has yet to be felt. If you or a loved one is in the restaurant, hospitality, hotel, travel or entertainment industry, it's already being felt. If you do ancillary work for any company cutting back (from legal work to the bug guy), it's already starting. Ultimately, this will be atrocious. The SBA PPP is an attempt to keep workers at full salary instead of adding them to the unemployment line. The loans to small businesses who maintain or rehire employees is not only government guaranteed to the lender, they are forgivable to the borrower. Once the democrats give up their obstructionist bent with the refunding, Congress will add another $250 billion to the original $250 billion. When it's over, collectively banks will have originated enough credit under this program to equate to the fifth largest bank in our country. This is an all hands initiative to money in the hands of business to preserve employment.
You got that right. I applaud Trump's desire to get the country's economy back in motion ASAP. IMO, people see his target date as a dropdead date. Somebody has to set a date for action. This date can change. Hell, even D-Day was delayed.
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