Staying with my dad in Florence for a few days, he’s old and bad shape. He’s had it on MSNBC all day. Ugh. I hate these channels. They just ask a young “political correspondent” about how the government will pay for the stimulus. She rambled for 7 minutes on how she thinks trump blew his early response to this thing. Not one word in her response addressed the question. Nobody wants your opinion, answer the question, don’t rant on whatever you want to rant on. There’s problem solvers and their problem stokers.... we need solvers in our country right now.
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This so lazy. No. 1, you know what the purpose was in going around calling him "Husein" was but regardless. You literally just suggested that saying "Mr. Trump" instead of "President Trump" was disrespectful. How can you not see how hypocritical that is? Ya know what, F it. I don't feel like doing this. Have a safe one.
Agreed on both points. I just happened to think my opinion is more objective than most
Do not want to get into the political BS because it is destructive and not helpful during this time. My point is not intended to be political so sorry if it appears that way.
Shutting down the world (which is unprecedented in my lifetime) is impacting the market. When you shut everything down the economy stops and the uncertainty tanks the stock market. It was inevitable. This is my observation for years and occurs regardless of someones confidence in the President or not. It is also not unique to this president.
Per Admiral Giroir from yesterday's briefing, there are currently 10m test in the market and they anticipate having 27m+ by March 28th.
One thing the POTUS did early was shutdown travel from China and Europe quickly. He caught hell for this.
One thing the POTUS did early was shutdown travel from China and Europe quickly. He caught hell for this.
I find it amusing seeing reference to "Obummer" and Hussein" in a thread where a joke about Wolken led you to your "orange man" comment. Am I to assume since you found "Hussein" to be disrespectful for President Obama you see that giving carte blanche for "orange man" comments?
Let's assume someone wrote the same and said "black man" with dealing with H1N1. That rings no better than orange man in my view...both attempts at what I"ll call "drive by trolling."I would agree. I listen to the experts on stuff like this, not people like Dan Wolken or an orange guy who said it was going to blow over in a few days and that a vaccine was "coming in days."
One thing I believe we can agree on ...
I'm not inclined to try to make people believe anything. I do believe, and I'm very inclined to point out, that the criticism is coming from hindsight. It's labeled a novel virus because that's what it is, novel.
@planomateo mentions the travel ban which was instituted after the first positive case was discovered stateside: January 31st as I recall. The notion it should have been instituted earlier sounds good when you hear it but completely dismisses the fact that the WHO said it wasn't a virus that could travel from human to human two weeks prior. Now, that was China's propaganda but it was also put out as fact by WHO.
What makes a lot of the deserved criticism belong on WHO is Taiwan's officials were telling WHO China was lying about the virus: WHO chose to ignore what those doctors were saying.
But in spite of all the disinformation and blatant lies about the virus somehow, someway, the administration should have acted more quickly on something they were being lied to about and something no one, worldwide, had experience fighting?
The CDC's test failed but that should have been expected? Take the recently removed regulations on 3M for masks. Do you honestly believe that would have been done pre-virus? That took a few days but that's how the government works—and that doesn't fall on one individual, or one administration.
With the way our government is politically split....it is amazing that things worked as fast as they did....
I guess we will find out in November whether his handling has "bread confidence"......
And "try hard job" .....well...no President has been President before he was President....although a lot of reporters think they should be making the decisions instead of him...
And I believe...this...fully....no matter who was at the top of the food chain....
Making these terribly hard decisions...that affect our lives..our country...and the entire world... the detractors would be trying to tear him down....because....
They just hate......and they believe its their job to tear and rip and destroy....POTUS doing a good job...a bad job....???........ your are free to believe....but I believe...he is doing as good a job...as he possibly can..100% effort....
With the best teams of experts he can find....
All we can ask for...
"Lazy"..... it is what it is....Josh....
But I agree....not worthwhile getting in to....
You be safe and careful out there....
ABSOLUTELY IT IS. As long as you realize... Which I believe you do.... That the more important your job is in whatever field, AKA your pay & power, you are being judged on your FORESIGHT to find and have solutions for whatever issues or challenges your job may bring.
No one hired him to be able to evaluate things after the fact. His job is to get it right, the first time. A lot of people can figure out solutions to problems that have already kicked their ass.
I'm sure you've seen the timeline of his statements regarding this issue. His foresight was lacking to say the least. JMO
Agreed on both points. I just happened to think my opinion is more objective than most
IMO, it's difficult to blame someone for not doing what's never been done before. Since it's never been dealt with, who is to say what's right or wrong?
You're kinda missing the point. I wasn't the one whining about calling Trump "Mr. Trump" was disrespectful. I pointed out how stupid and hypocritical it was to suggest that was "disrespectful" yet not those others I mentioned. Calling Trump "Orange Man" is disrespectful, It's the point of me saying it. I don't respect him
And there is a very stark difference between bringing race into troll someone rather than their really bad spray tan. That was a huge reach.
I have been on this earth for 55 years and I have never seen anything like this. Context, as late as 1 to 2 weeks ago I was still in the camp this is all media hype. They have been doing it so long I have mentally conditioned to assume that. It is correct that the President has to be able to see through that and he should have trusted advisors that he should listen to but he is human. Can you imagine going back 1 month and have someone come into your office and say we need to shut down the country. My first response would be you are crazy.....
I think there is another interesting underlying thing going on, if I were attacked for 3 years relentlessly I may be a little distrusting of what people tell me. Human nature.
With that said, I do wish President Trump would interact with people with a little more tact and have less "about me" attitude but I will get over it if he gets the job done.
I think there is another interesting underlying thing going on, if I were attacked for 3 years relentlessly I may be a little distrusting of what people tell me. Human nature.
With that said, I do wish President Trump would interact with people with a little more tact and have less "about me" attitude but I will get over it if he gets the job done.
This is where you lose me.
The World Health Organization stated, as posted earlier, that it wasn't a virus that went from human to human. We've since learned differently but at the same time we were supposed to expect the administration to know, through their foresight, that the WHO was wrong?
I'm looking at the timeline and see the travel ban issued two weeks after WHO stated what they did in a situation that's pointed out by @OldPlayer
Here's where you and I are uniquely different.
Earlier in this thread you cited "deductive reasoning" while assuming I supported the auto bailout. As I mentioned the assumption was wrong. I didn't like what President Bush did with the auto bailout. It was a policy I didn't like. Quite frankly, there were a few things I didn't care for about his time in office but I always respected the office.
There were policies in the Obama administration I didn't like. There were a few things during his administration I didn't care for; some of which I felt were damaging to the country and its people. Yet, throughout all, I respected the office.
Mr. Trump vs President Trump. Semantics? Do you call your physician Mr. or Doctor? If were were a religious individual, would you call your parishioner Mr. or Pastor? One is respect for the office, another respect for the education, and another respect of the position but in the end it's respect for all; deserved respect.
The use of "black man" and "orange man" wasn't a reach. It was an absurdity used to make a broader point. I get that you don't like Trump, you don't like Christian Conservatives, and other things that tend to fall along political lines. I don't find that to be a reason to be disrespectful to any of those groups or ideals.
Going back to something you said earlier, "This bullshit helps no one." I totally agree but I do see you as adding to the pile here. That, however, is no reason to disrespect you.
No matter what this ( or the previous ) POTUS.... does....the haters are just going to hate.... Some on here and many on press....just hate this POTUS.....and there is nothing...absolutely nothing....that he does or doesn’t dowill change that...
So trying to use metrics, logic, common sense, etc is like trying to argue with a rock...
Futile effort...period
One of the most important things going on..is Congress....POTUS....and most governors.....scientists....are working together.... hopefully...keeping politics aside...for Americans....in the short term anyway....we deserve that!
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