| FTBL What should Tennessee's punishment be for last nights fiasco?

As the dozens and dozens of items flew down onto the field — everything from water bottles to a mustard bottle to a yellow golf ball — Tennessee’s reputation as having the worst fan base in college football grew incrementally. As each item crashed to the turf, another piece of empirical evidence was added to a rich history of collective classlessness.

As the minutes ticked by and the hailstorm continued, Tennessee fans exhibited a level of fan misbehavior that we haven’t seen in college football this generation. We’ve never seen a recent scene in college football so unsafe that cheerleaders, the dance team and band had to leave their home field for protection, some shielding their heads with placards designed to cheer on the team.

A fan base with a vocal element that has always traded in the sewer of the sport somehow found a lower level. On a night when Tennessee football eventually lost to Ole Miss, its fans also found new depths.

In the wake of Ole Miss outlasting Tennessee in Lake Kiffin’s supercharged return to Neyland Stadium, the spectacle of a 20-minute delay from debris being thrown onto the field overshadowed a fantastic game. And it brought the focus of the sport to Tennessee’s fan base, whose last public riot resulted in VolTwitter choosing the most incompetent coach and athletic director pairing in the SEC this generation.

Where will Tennessee’s depths take them this time? That’s the conundrum facing Tennessee chancellor Donde Plowman and SEC commissioner Greg Sankey as they navigate potential punishments for this seminal moment of fan misbehavior.

For Plowman, she’s going to confront a most uncomfortable scenario for a leader, as her actions in the upcoming days will be remembered far longer than any dean she hires or new academic building erected on her watch.

Plowman needs to do something to prove to her peers in the SEC that Tennessee takes the most basic tenet of sport — player safety — seriously. And to do it, she’s going to have to endure the same caliber of vitriol that rained down on her own team, band and cheerleaders on Saturday night.

She’s going to have to punish the Tennessee fan base enough to make it uncomfortable, to make fans think twice about throwing things and endangering players, coaches and those cheerleaders. Tennessee is firmly lodged in the SEC’s behavior basement. And how punitive Plowman’s decision is — and Sankey’s, too — will show if there’s real interest in changing that reputation.

Plowman in particular is going to deal with the type of uncomfortable, unsettling and unhinged behavior that’s become synonymous with the fringes of Tennessee’s fan base. Shut off your mentions, Donde, this is going to be unpleasant.

Both the chancellor and SEC commissioner released post-midnight statements showing their disgust at the proceedings and hinting at severe punishment. Will their actions match their words?

The fan meltdown at Neyland Stadium turned into a touchstone moment for college sports, a nadir of fan behavior that promises to be the benchmark for unruliness for years to come. Think about it: The situation got so bad that Tennessee officials had to vacate their own cheerleaders from the field to protect them from the home fans
throwing projectiles. All of this started with a controversial spot that went against Tennessee.

If there’s been a college football game delayed this long because of fan behavior in the last 20 years, this reporter sure doesn’t remember it.

Something punitive needs to happen. Tennessee embarrassed the entire state, SEC and sport on Saturday night, a 20-minute satire of the toxicity that’s personified Vol Nation’s fellowship of the miserable. Things got so bad that Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin told his team to put their helmets on to protect themselves. He held a yellow range golf ball that was thrown at him in the postgame interview, an eternal item and image that will represent for decades the depths of this dark night. Tennessee managed to turn Lane Kiffin into a sympathetic figure while winning in his return to Neyland Stadium — that’s a plot twist that no SEC fan fiction writer could have conjured.

Plowman indicated she’s taking things seriously, saying she’s “astonished and sickened” by the actions. “Behavior that puts student athletes, coaches, visitors and other fans at risk is not something we will tolerate.”

Here’s an idea. When Tennessee plays its next home game against Georgia on Nov. 13, the Vols should play in front of a stadium without any Vols fans. All ticket holders should be refunded. But more important, the significant advantage of playing a home game in front of a home crowd should be taken away. With those 90,000-plus voices silenced, the Vols will have little chance against the No. 1 Bulldogs. (Letting in 5,000 or so UGA fans — whatever their normal allotment is — would be a nice touch.)

It goes without saying that anyone caught tossing projectiles – both in real time or later on video – should have their tickets be revoked and be banned for an indefinite period. That’s the easy part, the tangible stuff.

So what will Tennessee actually do? The idiocy on display at Neyland Stadium on Saturday night calls for something drastic. It will take years for Tennessee to shake the stigma of having the sport’s worst fan culture. This wasn’t a one-night stand of lunacy for Tennessee’s fans, as the Schiano Sunday revolt showed. While surely all Tennessee fans weren’t throwing bottles on Saturday night — and a vast majority of Vol fans aren’t lunatics — there are clearly enough empowered to endanger the dance team. So something has to change.

Sankey released a statement at 1:29 am EST that called the Tennessee behavior “unacceptable under any circumstances.” He added that the SEC will be reviewing the policies and commissioner’s authority “to impose penalties.” His goal? “To make certain this situation is not repeated.”

A simple fine isn’t going to do anything for Tennessee. It’ll just be another drop in debt bucket next to the massive coaching buyouts and NCAA legal fees it has compiled in its debt ledger in recent years.

What happened at Tennessee on Saturday night should never happen again – either in the SEC or beyond in college football. It was unsafe, untoward and completely unnecessary. It was the actions of many who believed there’d be no consequences, and it’s up to Plowman and Sankey to remind everyone that consequences come with illicit behavior.

What unfolded was especially embarrassing to the thousands of classy and well-behaved Tennessee fans, who deserve to go root on their team without watching a crew of idiots take target practice at the players, Kiffin and the school’s own marching band. There are a lot of upstanding Tennessee fans who should be angry this morning, as they’re now labeled as part of the sport’s laughingstock.

Tennessee’s last momentous melodrama of fan outrage back in 2017 ended with Tennessee getting karmic punishment — the coaching of Jeremy Pruitt and the stewardship of Phil Fulmer, a duo so incompetent and bumbling that they’ll be the low parallel bars for SEC ineptitude for the next generation.

Along with the product on the field Tennessee fans had to endure during Pruitt’s tenure, the NCAA issues and legal bills will continue to haunt the school for much of the next decade.

This time, the damage can’t simply come in the drip, drip, drip of bad decisions and rooted in nostalgia instead of logic. This time, Tennessee administrators need to take a long look in the mirror and show that the school isn’t comfortable being the SEC's punchline.

It’s a shame that the progress of new coach Josh Heupel has been intercepted by Tennessee’s tortured soul. This hurts recruiting, hurts reputations and just reinforces the day-in and day-out dysfunction that Heupel and new AD Danny White have attempted to resolve.

Instead, it’s same-old Tennessee. And the world waits to see if a strong enough punishment will arrive to ensure the school doesn’t careen to these depths again.

 
A few years ago I ran into a sales rep for a netting company. I don't recall who he worked for but I do remember his company was a lot like Net World Sports. The have customizable netting they sell to surround the entire pitch.

Has it reached the point this needs to be considered in American football?
 
A few years ago I ran into a sales rep for a netting company. I don't recall who he worked for but I do remember his company was a lot like Net World Sports. The have customizable netting they sell to surround the entire pitch.

Has it reached the point this needs to be considered in American football?
I don't think this is a Talladega catch fence or Dale safer barrier type incident that requires an all-sport response. The idea of making vols fans watch the game through chicken wire has some appeal, though.
 
I don't think this is a Talladega catch fence or Dale safer barrier type incident that requires an all-sport response. The idea of making vols fans watch the game through chicken wire has some appeal, though.
While it's just a thought I don't see it much differently than watching the ladies in the Rhoads House. There it's for the safety of the fans, why not vice versa?

It would, likely, eliminate fans from rushing the field after wins. It seems like a win-win for little cost comparatively.
 
All of these are interesting scenarios.....but is this really something a university or conference would consider?

Bottom line is money$$. We have seen a progressive trend downward in attendance for all of college football for a little more than a decade. Everything the schools are trying to do is to keep A.I.S. Ass-in-seats. Watching the game through chicken wire would be enough of a tipping point for me to let someone else hold my 4 tickets in section B and C.
 
Wait a second here.

We all agree that some of the draconian punishments handed down by the NCAA's enforcement staff aren't fair because they affect members of the team(s) who weren't involved.

If I'm reading this correctly, you're suggesting the entire student body be punished due to the actions of a few (even if it was 1000?)




I'm stating I don't know what the punishment should be, but throwing an option out there. I personally think there is zero they can do that would be fair to everyone, and if I were a student I'd be pissed at that action. I also know life ain't fair, so at times you just gotta keep on keepin on as Joe Dirt put it.
 
Another thought....a old Pat Dye...turn the fire hoses on em....like AU. did UGA fans

Like 2 ideas.....
..paper cups only
..all 11 am games For rest of season

UT finally getting some enthusiasm back...and now this....what a set back

Forfeit rest of home games for 2021.....go on roadto play

But dont expect anything but a token...cause "it was just a few" mentality
 
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I don't think this is a Talladega catch fence or Dale safer barrier type incident that requires an all-sport response. The idea of making vols fans watch the game through chicken wire has some appeal, though.
Wouldn't a fence with the barb/razor wire across the top kinda go with their colors?..... just saying. :p

I would think Chicken wire would be minimum security, right? :laugh:
 
I put on my hazmat suit and ventured over to vilenation. I am actually glad that I did :ROFLMAO: Holy shit, was it hysterical! One of them actually posted that the fan base came to the realization last Saturday night....that they will never be what they were in the 1990's and early 2000's....and they snapped. The last time UcheaT was even halfway decent was 2007, when they last won the East. Unless they count Butch's pair of 9 win seasons, which I sort of doubt that they do. It's taken those idiots 14 years to come to that realization?? So...they snapped?? Shit :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
The punishment... hardly a slap on the wrist...



Under the sportsmanship, game management and alcohol availability policies established by the Southeastern Conference, the University of Tennessee will:

  • Be assessed a financial penalty of $250,000, which will be deducted from the University's share of SEC revenue distribution.
  • Be required to use all available resources, including security, stadium and television video, to identify individuals who threw objects on to the playing field or at the opposing team. All individuals identified as having been involved in disrupting the game shall be prohibited from attending Tennessee Athletics events for the remainder of the 2021-22 academic and athletic year.
  • Review and update its Athletics Department game management procedures and alcohol availability policies to prevent a recurrence of Saturday night's disruption, which shall include an evaluation of agreed upon SEC Sportsmanship, Game Management and Alcohol policies to verify full compliance with existing standards.
  • Following completion of this review and prior to the University of Tennessee's next home football game, the University shall provide a report to the Conference Office to summarize its efforts to identify and penalize offenders and its plan to enact policies to prevent future similar incidents while ensuring compliance with Conference standards.
 
  • Be required to use all available resources, including security, stadium and television video, to identify individuals who threw objects on to the playing field or at the opposing team. All individuals identified as having been involved in disrupting the game shall be prohibited from attending Tennessee Athletics events for the remainder of the 2021-22 academic and athletic year.
This one might have some teeth or in the Viles case a tooth. They also have to update the status to the SEC office so they can't sweep it under the rug. They can however cook the books and insure no heavy donors make the list.
 
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  • Be required to use all available resources, including security, stadium and television video, to identify individuals who threw objects on to the playing field or at the opposing team. All individuals identified as having been involved in disrupting the game shall be prohibited from attending Tennessee Athletics events for the remainder of the 2021-22 academic and athletic year.
This one might have some teeth or in the Viles case a tooth. They also have to update the status to the SEC office so they can't sweep it under the rug. They can however cook the books and insure they do not make no heavy donors make the list.

A perma ban for students involved (as long as they are students) seems more suitable. Would be impossible to enforce, but still. The low fine though is embarrassing. Imagine if speeding tickets were just $8.50. In the end, I don't much care one way or another. Let them throw stuff. I wonder though if the reaction from the SEC would have been different if a player or coach had gotten hurt? Saban showed off a nice sized bruise on his arm today that was the result of the A&M field rushing. Obviously these dinky fines ain't doing much to help other than feed the scholarship fund they help support.
 
I heard on the radio that the fine will be deducted from the pay out they receive in the spring when they delve out previous years bowl earnings and tv money. When you receive a 50 million dollar check........250k doesn't sting too much.
 
I heard on the radio that the fine will be deducted from the pay out they receive in the spring when they delve out previous years bowl earnings and tv money. When you receive a 50 million dollar check........250k doesn't sting too much.

Where do all these fines go? Do they atleast give it to charity? They do a ton of good with the $350,000 they are collecting from A&M and Tennessee. Think of how much sporting equipment they could buy in poor areas that encompass the SEC. And that's just in the last week of collections!!!
 
@BamaFan334 I'm not sure. I would imagine it stay within the SEC as part of their operating budget. Things like the country club membership for Sankey and some of the other perks don't pay for themselves.

As others have said on here. I like the idea of giving these fines some teeth. Make it a million dollars and lose a home game. I they lost a home game, that would mean 3 years playing at your opponent stadium.

ie, had that rule been in place, aTm would play at BDS for the next 3 years (staying on schedule) because they would not play at Kyle Field in 2 years when we would return. That total between the fine and loss of home ticket/concessions/parking revenue would have a greater impact. Your talking a windfall money loss in excess of 8-10 million.
 
Where do all these fines go? Do they atleast give it to charity? They do a ton of good with the $350,000 they are collecting from A&M and Tennessee. Think of how much sporting equipment they could buy in poor areas that encompass the SEC. And that's just in the last week of collections!!!

I made brief mention to it in an above post from yesterday but the fines go to an SEC scholarship fund.
 
@BamaFan334 I'm not sure. I would imagine it stay within the SEC as part of their operating budget. Things like the country club membership for Sankey and some of the other perks don't pay for themselves.

As others have said on here. I like the idea of giving these fines some teeth. Make it a million dollars and lose a home game. I they lost a home game, that would mean 3 years playing at your opponent stadium.

ie, had that rule been in place, aTm would play at BDS for the next 3 years (staying on schedule) because they would not play at Kyle Field in 2 years when we would return. That total between the fine and loss of home ticket/concessions/parking revenue would have a greater impact. Your talking a windfall money loss in excess of 8-10 million.

The only reason I don't like that idea is because of all of the small businesses in the area that rely on home games to keep their doors open. Without that revenue they go under, people lose jobs, and the cities can't thrive. I like the big dollar fines or even limiting student attendance as a result.

I am not worried at all about what happened at Kyle Field. Coach tripped over a camera wire it seemed, but not sure where the bruise came from as I don't recall him getting hit by anyone. The Tennessee deal with throwing stuff on the field has got to stop though.

I made brief mention to it in an above post from yesterday but the fines go to an SEC scholarship fund.

I wish they would use it for the Youth. There is a ton of money going into the SEC and its programs. They can donate equipment, build fields, offer paid camps, and other varieties for kids that can't afford it otherwise.
 
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