📡 What?!?! Arizona State's AD getting $355k in bonuses for APR goals

[planomateo]

This is crazy...but then again, it's the same guy that hired Herm Edwards (which may have turned out to be an ok hire...jury still out?)

Should an AD get a bonus for APR scores?

 

[OldPlayer]

Where were they in the rankings before the APR clause was put into his contract?

 

[BamaFan334]

I'm of the thought that a guy should get paid as much or as little and for as much or for as little as he can negotiate or willing to accept. Great negotiating skills are a gift not many people possess. Cannot give a guy flak because he's just good. People blame the Mets for the Bobby Bonilla deal. Tech fans drill their administration for the Paul Hewitt deal. Everyone scolds Notre Dame for the Charlie Weiss deal. Nowhere do you see anyone getting onto any of those three individuals. If this guy is in fact graduating athletes, I consider that a better milestone than wins any day of the week.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

@BamaFan334 ....
Charlie Weiss and his lifetime contract...lol...what a freaking joke

 

[TerryP]

Where were they in the rankings before the APR clause was put into his contract?

 

[planomateo]

I'm of the thought that a guy should get paid as much or as little and for as much or for as little as he can negotiate or willing to accept. Great negotiating skills are a gift not many people possess. Cannot give a guy flak because he's just good. People blame the Mets for the Bobby Bonilla deal. Tech fans drill their administration for the Paul Hewitt deal. Everyone scolds Notre Dame for the Charlie Weiss deal. Nowhere do you see anyone getting onto any of those three individuals. If this guy is in fact graduating athletes, I consider that a better milestone than wins any day of the week.

APR only cares about eligibility and graduation, it's somewhat of a farce. It doesn't care about what the degree is in, it doesn't care how many resources it takes for that student to get the degree, etc. The fact that administrators are getting bonuses for this is the joke.

Sure, great for him to negotiate the contract. In my opinion, this is just another example of one of the flaws in the system.

/soapbox/ Take for instance education in Texas, schools are graded on how well the students take the STAAR test. The overall score results in how the school is classified. So what do the schools focus on...teaching to the STAAR test vs teaching a subject.

My point here, it's teaching the wrong behavior.

 

[UAgrad93]

My point here, it's teaching the wrong behavior.

Nothing quite like teaching to the test!!! Just another reason I will be stepping out of this profession soon.

 

[BamaFan334]

APR only cares about eligibility and graduation, it's somewhat of a farce. It doesn't care about what the degree is in, it doesn't care how many resources it takes for that student to get the degree, etc. The fact that administrators are getting bonuses for this is the joke.

Sure, great for him to negotiate the contract. In my opinion, this is just another example of one of the flaws in the system.

/soapbox/ Take for instance education in Texas, schools are graded on how well the students take the STAAR test. The overall score results in how the school is classified. So what do the schools focus on...teaching to the STAAR test vs teaching a subject.

My point here, it's teaching the wrong behavior.

How many people in this world get a degree in a field they don't end up working in? I've seen countless juris doctors become accountants. I've seen women with Psychology degrees turn into Elementary school teachers with only that bachelor degree in hand. A degree is a degree to some level. Now you won't see a Marketing major building bridges or a Communications major doing medical surgery, but there are a ton of degrees that get folks in the door and turn into a whole lot more. Enterprise is a great example with their athlete initiative. Insurance salesmen another example. Financial advisers don't even have to have college degrees, they just have to pass their Series 7 and 66 exams, and they are some of the more successful people I know.

Yes, teaching for that test is the wrong behavior. I completely agree. I also think it is wrong the way that Texas schools allow the Top 10% of each high school to immediately become eligible to any state school in Texas. I don't consider that fair considering the curriculum and level of objectivity there could be in some areas compared to others that have higher standards and morality. I believe this is still an initiative. You would know better than me.

The guys that are coming to college to get an education are not being forced to take a path that leads them to anything less than what they desire. We all know a lot of people come in not knowing what they want or that they are specifically pursuing professional sports. For those guys, sure, an easy course load and simple path to a degree is in the hands of the coaches and administration, but also helps these kids because they didn't have specific intentions coming in. Others like Barrett Jones and Da'Shawn Hand, they knew they wanted to major in Accounting and Engineering and they took that path and did exceptionally well. Myron Rolle from Florida State, knew he wanted to be a doctor and took the path necessary, add on top being a Rhodes Scholar and he knew he was setting up for something outside of football. Personal responsibility is the biggest topic here, and I have zero problem with an AD negotiating and following through on higher athletic graduation rates.

 

[planomateo]

How many people in this world get a degree in a field they don't end up working in? I've seen countless juris doctors become accountants. I've seen women with Psychology degrees turn into Elementary school teachers with only that bachelor degree in hand. A degree is a degree to some level. Now you won't see a Marketing major building bridges or a Communications major doing medical surgery, but there are a ton of degrees that get folks in the door and turn into a whole lot more. Enterprise is a great example with their athlete initiative. Insurance salesmen another example. Financial advisers don't even have to have college degrees, they just have to pass their Series 7 and 66 exams, and they are some of the more successful people I know.

Yes, teaching for that test is the wrong behavior. I completely agree. I also think it is wrong the way that Texas schools allow the Top 10% of each high school to immediately become eligible to any state school in Texas. I don't consider that fair considering the curriculum and level of objectivity there could be in some areas compared to others that have higher standards and morality. I believe this is still an initiative. You would know better than me.

The guys that are coming to college to get an education are not being forced to take a path that leads them to anything less than what they desire. We all know a lot of people come in not knowing what they want or that they are specifically pursuing professional sports. For those guys, sure, an easy course load and simple path to a degree is in the hands of the coaches and administration, but also helps these kids because they didn't have specific intentions coming in. Others like Barrett Jones and Da'Shawn Hand, they knew they wanted to major in Accounting and Engineering and they took that path and did exceptionally well. Myron Rolle from Florida State, knew he wanted to be a doctor and took the path necessary, add on top being a Rhodes Scholar and he knew he was setting up for something outside of football. Personal responsibility is the biggest topic here, and I have zero problem with an AD negotiating and following through on higher athletic graduation rates.

Fair points.

I'm all for bonuses based on SMART goals.

Not sure I'm in alignment on an AD getting a massive bonus on APR. $96k for overall, sure, but an additional $136k for football...

Anderson earns $800,000 in base salary and off that makes an additional $96,000 for this year's overall APR, $136,000 for football's APR and $123,000 for teams receiving a national recognition award.

 

[BamaFan334]

Fair points.

I'm all for bonuses based on SMART goals.

Not sure I'm in alignment on an AD getting a massive bonus on APR. $96k for overall, sure, but an additional $136k for football...

Does Texas still do that 10% rule I mentioned?

 

[planomateo]

Does Texas still do that 10% rule I mentioned?

It's actually less now, Texas is now 6%. And it's top % of HS graduating class, so go to the right high school and you have the opportunity to get in.

At my kids high school, I believe 2 of our top 5 last year went to Alabama. So many of the top 10% are going elsewhere.