🏈 DeBoer's future at Alabama and the most likely path ahead (from my perspective)...

[Scrape&Search1032]

but doing it in one game then stinking it up the next is not going to get it done.

This reason alone is why I'm petrified of the schedule we have coming up.

 

[rammerjammer]

After reading though a lot of this. I wonder if the transition for the team is knowing how/when to turn it on. It has been beat to death how DeBoer and Saban's style contrast. I liken it to a sales job. I have worked with some very anal and intense sales reps that were detail oriented down to the penny. I worked with others that were as laid back as a cat laying on a porch watching cars go by. Both styles worked and got the end result.

I remember ( I think it was a tv analyst) talking about the difference between Saban and Carrol (while at USC). Both won and won big, but their approach was totally different. Maybe this Alabama team is still figuring out that once you get on the field it is time for business. CKD has a totally different approach, but when the light comes on, it is time to get your ass in gear. Hopefully this will get figured out this season and the team can show some real improvement. Especially on the road.

 

[TerryP]

nice copiem

 

[TerryP]

This makes the 124th response in this thread. I've read it and I'm left wondering something.

Do you guys realize the transition from Saban to DeBoer is still happening? His vision for the program isn't fulfilled. Saban's wasn't in 2008.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

This makes the 124th response in this thread. I've read it and I'm left wondering something.

Do you guys realize the transition from Saban to DeBoer is still happening? His vision for the program isn't fulfilled. Saban's wasn't in 2008.

No, he's still implementing his system and how he wants to run the program. However, my biggest takeaway in year two is the consistency problem seemingly still an issue. There should be improvement from year 1, to year 2. Not saying win a championship, but please can we not lose games in the same exact fashion as last year? Because that's gonna get real old, real fast.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

No, he's still implementing his system and his he wants to run the program. However, my biggest takeaway in year two is the consistency problem seemingly still an issue. There should be improvement from year 1, to year 2. Not saying win a championship, but please can we not lose games in the same exact fashion as last year? Because that's gonna get real old, real fast.

And to add on to this.... if there were to be regression in his second year, then that isn't a good sign for a stable program in the future. He's still got a chance to flip it around, but our schedule coming up is brutal.

 

[Krimson]

No, he's still implementing his system and his he wants to run the program. However, my biggest takeaway in year two is the consistency problem seemingly still an issue. There should be improvement from year 1, to year 2. Not saying win a championship, but please can we not lose games in the same exact fashion as last year? Because that's gonna get real old, real fast.

Agree, Saban's peak definitely wasn't year 2 and I think most reasonable fans expect it to take another year or so for DeBoer's system to be implemented. He seemed to do more with the players at his previous coaching stops and improve after being there. It wasn't the losses, it's who they lost to and how they lost and that continued into the first game of his second year. Last year felt like the team could beat anyone or lose to anyone any Saturday and you never knew which was coming until they started playing. First game of second year and they were half assing, missing assignments, and generally looked like they'd rather be elsewhere. Doesn't seem like he's in control of his locker room or doesn't have the pieces in place to control it?

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

Agree, Saban's peak definitely wasn't year 2 and I think most reasonable fans expect it to take another year or so for DeBoer's system to be implemented. He seemed to do more with the players at his previous coaching stops and improve after being there. It wasn't the losses, it's who they lost to and how they lost and that continued into the first game of his second year. Last year felt like the team could beat anyone or lose to anyone any Saturday and you never knew which was coming until they started playing. First game of second year and they were half assing, missing assignments, and generally looked like they'd rather be elsewhere. Doesn't seem like he's in control of his locker room or doesn't have the pieces in place to control it?

Im fine with him getting another year, so long as there is improvement shown. Like I've said before, if we regress.... I personally would want to look elsewhere. A sign of a great coach and his system is improving from year to year, not regressing every year. And what happened against FSU is solely on deboer and that staff for how we looked in that game. It's also frightening to me how that loss resembled the other 4 last year, that has to stop.

 

[TerryP]

Agree, Saban's peak definitely wasn't year 2 and I think most reasonable fans expect it to take another year or so for DeBoer's system to be implemented. He seemed to do more with the players at his previous coaching stops and improve after being there. It wasn't the losses, it's who they lost to and how they lost and that continued into the first game of his second year. Last year felt like the team could beat anyone or lose to anyone any Saturday and you never knew which was coming until they started playing. First game of second year and they were half assing, missing assignments, and generally looked like they'd rather be elsewhere. Doesn't seem like he's in control of his locker room or doesn't have the pieces in place to control it?

Then there's they got punched in the mouth and woke up. Come to think of it, I mentioned that in camp about Ty saying we need to see what happens when he gets punched in the mouth. I didn't mean everyone else getting punched at the same time.

(All of this makes this weekend a bit more interesting to me because it's just like basketball. I'm looking to see if they can dictate the pace of play: UW will want to slow it down. I'm also curious about PPP, points per play.)

 

[Krimson]

Then there's they got punched in the mouth and woke up. Come to think of it, I mentioned that in camp about Ty saying we need to see what happens when he gets punched in the mouth. I didn't mean everyone else getting punched at the same time.

(All of this makes this weekend a bit more interesting to me because it's just like basketball. I'm looking to see if they can dictate the pace of play: UW will want to slow it down. I'm also curious about PPP, points per play.

I hope that's the case but, after last year, l will have see it to believe it. Come out every week and play like they did last week and rational fans can deal with a few losses. Come out this Saturday or next and play like they did against FSU and more will start to question if he's the right fit.
Consistently play good football, I don't think that's too much to ask at the level he's coaching at.

 

[TerryP]

Consistently play good football, I don't think that's too much to ask at the level he's coaching at.

The same can be said for coaches who've won titles. The difference is Kirby hasn't lost to a 10th/12th ranked team. Dabo has with their LSU loss. Day's offense didn't look consistent in week one.

I still think all of those team are good ball clubs. I know they've been inconsistent.

It's after two weeks ... can't just set that aside.

 

[Krimson]

The same can be said for coaches who've won titles. The difference is Kirby hasn't lost to a 10th/12th ranked team. Dabo has with their LSU loss. Day's offense didn't look consistent in week one.

I still think all of those team are good ball clubs. I know they've been inconsistent.

It's after two weeks ... can't just set that aside.

All coaches are going to lose some games and have teams that look flat every now and again.
On paper Saban probably shouldn't have lost any games after year 2 or so, if you're going by talent levels alone, but after year one he almost exclusively lost to teams with similar talent. We all saw the team let off the gas a few times as well and play to the level of competition. He was a great motivator but he wasn't perfect.
Kirby has been pretty consistent after his first year. I think he has faults like not changing his offense enough but he's been pretty consistent except for 2020 which was anything but a consistent year.
Dabo refused to change with the transfer portal and has had issues maintaining success to the championship level but even Bryant had that. He's been consistently successful since 2012 though.

I'm not on the fire DeBoer train but I'm not on the "He's got everything turned around now" train either. Having those issues week one of year 2 is hard to explain. Last year I get, to a point, and I think the majority gave him a pass first year but week 1 year two looked bad. He needs to show consistency is all I'm saying. The team is talented but if he can't at least get them to give effort every week, he's got major issues.

I like Smart, was hoping he'd be available to take Saban's place when he left, don't really like Dabo but there aren't many teams who wouldn't take either of them for their coach if they had the opportunity. Wouldn't say the same for DeBoer yet but I hope that's the case soon.

 

[BamaFan615]

I think three full seasons is a good point at which you can measure his success and say this is “his” team, and where does his program stand.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

I think three full seasons is a good point at which you can measure his success and say this is “his” team, and where does his program stand.

I agree, to an extent. Again, if there is regression in year 2.... then that's not a good sign.

 

[#80]

I think people just need to chill CKD will be in T-town for some time. It is what it is and maybe that ends up to be a good thing. CNS spoiled the fan base looking back it was a run that will never be seen again and I'm grateful.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

I think people just need to chill CKD will be in T-town for some time. It is what it is and maybe that ends up to be a good thing. CNS spoiled the fan base looking back it was a run that will never be seen again and I'm grateful.

Im not gonna be chilled about how we're playing, it's so incredibly frustrating to watch at times.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

I think people just need to chill CKD will be in T-town for some time. It is what it is and maybe that ends up to be a good thing. CNS spoiled the fan base looking back it was a run that will never be seen again and I'm grateful.

Also, funnily enough.... I just tuned in to the finebaum show(I usually stay away from it) and this legend guy is just yelling absolute nonsense about Alabama and Deboer. Im completely for criticizing a coach if it holds merit.... but the screaming and nonsensical rambling? No.

I immediately tuned out of there, reminded me why I don't watch his show.

 

[#80]

Also, funnily enough.... I just tuned in to the finebaum show(I usually stay away from it) and this legend guy is just yelling absolute nonsense about Alabama and Deboer. Im completely for criticizing a coach if it holds merit.... but the screaming and nonsensical rambling? No.

I immediately tuned out of there, reminded me why I don't watch his show.

Yeah that guy gets on my last nerve ..... btw he is no legend.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

Yeah that guy gets on my last nerve ..... btw he is no legend.

And it makes our fanbase look bad having that guy yelling on TV. The guy is just a fucking goof.

 

[mando]

This makes the 124th response in this thread. I've read it and I'm left wondering something.

Do you guys realize the transition from Saban to DeBoer is still happening? His vision for the program isn't fulfilled. Saban's wasn't in 2008.

Reason and logic has always pointed towards It takes time. Said that from day one..