| FTBL UA Coordinator/coaching changes— SPLIT into offensive and defensive threads.

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BamaFan334 said:
I do give that credit to Anderson. After seeing how he was used in the Tennessee game It had me realizing just how good he was by rushing the quarterback in a raw sense, not how our scheme was played. To be fair, I don't give Bryce's career to his coach either because Alabama's system did not make Bryce, Bryce Young was simply Bryce Young.

One of the guy's I truly credit with making his guys THAT much better was Burton Burns. His guys truly seemed to respond to him and he had some highly recruited backs, but they truly loved him and it seemed like he made a true difference in their growth and development.

Your statement does have me thinking though, and it is actually a great point. Which players do we feel gained their success from just talent and which players were developed and their ceiling was maximized by our coaching staff. Obviously they all get coached up, muscled up, and developed, but you hopefully you can understand what I mean. Guys like McCarron, Mac Jones, Hurts, and most of our prized linemen seemed to be developed. Guys like Bryce, Jeudy, Devonta, Henry, William Anderson, and Minkah all seemed to just have "it" when they arrived on campus. Would be a fun discussion amongst everyone.
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Seems like the arguments about development probably needs its own thread. With that said, there is no chance the likes of BY, WA and company didn't developed. These guys being part of the program helped grow them. The program is beyond just the on field coaching. All of these guys grew and improved. Film study, weight room, conditioning, learning how to take care of your body and how to prepare for an oppnonent. Even with that said they also improved because of the coachig they were getting on the field. Did they have an extremely high ceiling? Of course they did. Did they grow as much as they could have? No idea and not even sure how you could know.

BY I think had a down year but was that coaching or the people around him? I think it is always both but the latter had a significant impact which I can also be argued is coaching as well. Same with WA, he had an extremely high ceiling. He improved. He caused opposing coaches to scheme around him.

My summary of all of those words I just said, Bama underperformed and it was time for a change.

Now back to the thread topic, who is it going to be? Same for OC...
 
BamaFan334 said:
Kirby walked into a much better situation than Saban did. Georgia recruited at a high rate under Richt as well. Mainstay in the Top 10 and competing for SEC Championships and played Alabama to one of the best college football games I have ever seen in that 2012 SEC Championship. The cupboard wasn't bare, so I wouldn't say Georgia wasn't shit. They simply didn't have the coach to get them on the winning side of things. Kirby has replicated Saban and Alabama at Georgia, amd you see what that can do.

Take into consideration how many Alabama has put in in 2022 as well then and it's still more. Either way, Georgia is closing the gap no doubt, but Alabama still holds more talent and depth.
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I think I said UGA wasn’t shit… maybe that’s a confusing phrase? I meant that they were not a shit team prior to Kirby. Your statement in that paragraph I would agree with and what I failed to convey.

I just don’t see the same thing as you in regards to current talent and depth in us vs them. I say they are at least equal, but we can agree to disagree.

TerryP said:
This thread ... like taking a friend to a strip club and all he wants to talk about is his ex-wife.
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If he brings a stack of bills… who cares what he talks about. It be like the teacher on Charlie Brown shows.

;)
 
mando said:
BY I think had a down year but was that coaching or the people around him? I think it is always both but the latter had a significant impact which I can also be argued is coaching as well. Same with WA, he had an extremely high ceiling. He improved. He caused opposing coaches to scheme around him.

My summary of all of those words I just said, Bama underperformed and it was time for a change.

Now back to the thread topic, who is it going to be? Same for OC...
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Add in injury, he wasn’t the same QB after for whatever reason. He was pretty much lights out prior.

As for who to be DC, I have no idea; however, I promise after a year people going to bitch about his play calling and coaching. If it even takes that long. ;)
 
94 Grad said:
Add in injury, he east the same QB after for whatever reason. He was pretty much lights out prior.

As for who to be DC, I have no idea; however, I promise after a year people going to bitch about his play calling and coaching. If it even takes that long. ;)
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Looks to be pretty talented D coming back...first unit anyway...
Somebody stepping into good situation

Make the other team beat you...ie. Deshaun Watson and clemson....not give it away ie Tennessee...lsu...A$M...uga...
Can accept losing...not just giving game away
 
mando said:
Seems like the arguments about development probably needs its own thread. With that said, there is no chance the likes of BY, WA and company didn't developed. These guys being part of the program helped grow them. The program is beyond just the on field coaching. All of these guys grew and improved. Film study, weight room, conditioning, learning how to take care of your body and how to prepare for an oppnonent. Even with that said they also improved because of the coachig they were getting on the field. Did they have an extremely high ceiling? Of course they did. Did they grow as much as they could have? No idea and not even sure how you could know.

BY I think had a down year but was that coaching or the people around him? I think it is always both but the latter had a significant impact which I can also be argued is coaching as well. Same with WA, he had an extremely high ceiling. He improved. He caused opposing coaches to scheme around him.

My summary of all of those words I just said, Bama underperformed and it was time for a change.

Now back to the thread topic, who is it going to be? Same for OC...
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I think you missed my point. Everybody is developed at Alabama. All of them are developed differently based on their ability, their mental strength, physical tools, and experience. A guy like Bryce doesn't need to be built. Just fine tuned. Bryce's game is Bryce's game, not what his position coach taught him. That's what I meant. Anderson learned some tricks on the way, but Anderson came in ready, just like Minkah and others. Film study, yes, that goes to the coaches that teach these guys. I'm strictly talking to the studs that come in as Freshmen and make a statement when there wasn't much time to develop before they got on campus and hit the field in the Fall. Sure, Bryce sat that first year, but his story is a known commodity and it's why we fought to get him, not just because of what he "could" be with more work. Think of Bryce and Milroe at the same stage of Milroe's career and you'll see what I mean. Stellar athletes both, great people both, but one needs way more work than the other.
 
ElephantStomp said:
Golding had the talent sure, but had to stay within Saban’s playbook. Let’s not act like PG had any control over the defense.

You’re also leaving out that PG got a defensive dude to NY for the Heisman unless you give all that credit to Anderson
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Dude, that was LAST year.

And it was IN SPITE OF Golding.

Do you REALLY think that if Golding was all that great, that Saban would've let him leave IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONTRACT for the SAME POSITION at an armpit location like Oxford, MS? Nevermind it's in the SAME DIVISION of the SAME CONFERENCE.

That virtually NEVER happens. Great coordinators only leave Saban to become HEAD COACHES at other programs.

Read the tea leaves, dude. Stop the Golding jock holding.

He kinda sucked, Bama Standard considered. Saban told him to find something else.
 
Sgt. Lincoln Osiris said:
Twat about chesticles?

Tattas?

Knockers?

Funbags?

Tittays?
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BamaFan334 said:
Think of Bryce and Milroe at the same stage of Milroe's career and you'll see what I mean. Stellar athletes both, great people both, but one needs way more work than the other.
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Honestly it is hard for me to compare Bryce and Milroe. Seems like night and day. BY came in as an elite QB. Milroe came in as an elite athlete. Milroe has a looooooooong way to go to be an elite QB. You can win with either an elite QB or an elite athlete at QB, just have to do it in a different way.
 
mando said:
Honestly it is hard for me to compare Bryce and Milroe. Seems like night and day. BY came in as an elite QB. Milroe came in as an elite athlete. Milroe has a looooooooong way to go to be an elite QB. You can win with either an elite QB or an elite athlete at QB, just have to do it in a different way.
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Exactly my point. I don't credit Bryce's success to the QB coach.
 
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