Yet he did just that on the TD throw to Ridley... Oops, we can't let facts come into your argument, though. And sorry, buddy, a freaking bootleg isn't exactly a trick play regardless of who was in there playing full back/tight end.
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Yet he did just that on the TD throw to Ridley... Oops, we can't let facts come into your argument, though. And sorry, buddy, a freaking bootleg isn't exactly a trick play regardless of who was in there playing full back/tight end.
How so? A defensive linemen in the backfield? How many times have we see that personnel grouping? Enough to where it wasn't a surprise to Bama fans--or Clemson. The formation? A very small deviation from the play called at the end of Auburn, '09, when McElroy hit Upchurch--just a different man in motion. There was't any trickery--a standard short yardage, red zone call both in design and personnel. It was a trick play ... a long time ago when we saw nose tackles as the lead blockers. It's a standard part of the offensive package now.
There were two completions on that drive. The first out of four man wide, the second out of three man wide where he caught Calvin on a slant--as his second read. In other words, Saban let him spread out the defense, read the coverage, and throw it on his own--twice on the same drive.
Actually, if you go back and look at the TD play to Ridley in the Clemson game you will see everything that has gone wrong with Jalen's read and react. On that play, he immediately had Ridley in the end zone wide open and I mean open. #6 for Clemson was one on one and 5 yards from Ridley and there was absolutely no one else near Calvin. Both Jalen and Ridley made eye contact, but Jalen wouldn't/couldn't throw it. And therein lies the problem. When he refused to just trust his arm and accuracy again then he saw the rush, started to drift out of the pocket to his right and you could see at that point that he was determined to run the ball. 2 Clemson players immediately came up to meet him and Ridley continued to run across the end zone with #6 still trailing at least 5 yards behind him. Jalen saw it and floated the TD pass to Ridley. There was never a time in that play that Ridley was not open when he got into the end zone.
That perfectly sums up the QB position with Jalen. He will not throw the ball on time and he doesn't trust what he's seeing. Had Ridley not gotten open for the 2nd time and continued to work his way to the same side as Jalen that play was going nowhere.
This isn't being described accurately. This screenshot is taken a second after Ridley made his cut--as in literally just turned his head. He isn't wide open. Where are the passing lanes? He made a great decision to wait on the route here--one might even say he's reading the defense. The SAM is literally sitting five/six yards off of the play and the MIKE is deeper with the SAM watching the run and the left corner crossing in the opposite direction.
You're out of your mind @TerryP. Ridley isn't just open for that moment in time. You see Ridley and Jalen staring at each other, Ridley is 3 yards in the end zone and they are still staring at each other, #6 is 5 yards away and the only player that is in Jalen's sight line, #34, is standing on the 8-yard line. If Jalen makes that throw he even has 5 more yards in the back of the end zone to lead Ridley away from any action by the defense. That is a ridiculously easy pitch and catch. Just let it go.
Stare at the 2:39 mark and freeze it on this replay. Tua makes this throw in his sleep.
Stare at the 2:39 mark and freeze it on this replay. Tua makes this throw in his sleep.
I took the video screen shot off the replay, right after he made the turn. So no. I'm not out of my mind.
Where are the passing lanes? There is no answer here because they don't exist. Do you really want him throwing a little blooper over the linebackers? That's not a smart play with the 'backers, for one, and it's an especially bad play with the left corner crossing.
No. He's not. He literally looks to the left corner of the end zone before making the cut not to mention he's staring right at the defender during his route. They (Jalen and Calvin) are not staring at each other much less even looking at each other until he makes the cut. From your video url:
This is one of the examples where Jalen isn't being treated fairly. Based off of a screen shot people are saying "he was wide open." A screen shot versus that of an instant of time--less than a couple of seconds. And, secondly, again, where are the passing lanes? He would have been forcing the ball into a tight window between the WILL and the Ref--not a good decision. And now it's including staring at each other the whole time?
Let what go? Saying "hold up" when people mischaracterize how he played? I'm not trying to be argumentative. But what you're saying here--and I've seen countless people say the same--that they are staring at each other? It's simply not true until he makes the cut. And now we're back to where we started...
Strange thing to consider here as well. No one knows what Calvin's route was supposed to be. His key very well may have been the defender and whether he was inside or out. The deception in the play is Calvin selling the route as if it's going to the back left corner.
You are still filibustering TerryP. I base nothing on a "screenshot." The replay video is up and running and anyone that watches the replay can see my points.
You mean to tell me that it's OK that we have a QB that can't hit a receiver that has his man beat in one on one coverage by 5 yards because a defensive guy is staring at Jalen 10 yards away from the play? I would suggest that the reason Clavin Ridley was only drawing one on one coverage and was being played loosely, to begin with, is because they didn't fear Jalen's read and reaction as a QB. And not because they didn't believe Calvin was a very dangerous receiver.
Here's the gospel TerryP, the ball should have been gone when Ridley's back was still toward Jalen and he should have been able to "anticipate" where Ridley was going to curl his route. Easy pitch and catch and he was wide open.
That is exactly what Tua did in the Georgia game. He "anticipated" where Ruggs would make his break and when Henry made his cut the ball was there waiting on him. Hurts and Greg McElroy would have waited until Ruggs makes his cut, determine how many yards he has cleared the nearest DB and then if he was still open, throw the ball.
You mean to tell me that it's OK that we have a QB that can't hit a receiver that has his man beat in one on one coverage by 5 yards because a defensive guy is staring at Jalen 10 yards away from the play? I would suggest that the reason Clavin Ridley was only drawing one on one coverage and was being played loosely, to begin with, is because they didn't fear Jalen's read and reaction as a QB. And not because they didn't believe Calvin was a very dangerous receiver.
Here's the gospel TerryP, the ball should have been gone when Ridley's back was still toward Jalen and he should have been able to "anticipate" where Ridley was going to curl his route. Easy pitch and catch and he was wide open.
That is exactly what Tua did in the Georgia game. He "anticipated" where Ruggs would make his break and when Henry made his cut the ball was there waiting on him. Hurts and Greg McElroy would have waited until Ruggs makes his cut, determine how many yards he has cleared the nearest DB and then if he was still open, throw the ball.
No. Again, simply not true.
Passing lanes. Not answered.
Staring down. Answered, and revealed to be untrue.
Eight yards, five yards, ten yards...I mean geez. And still no answers to what is going on with the WILL or MIKE. Both in coverage with the SAM spying on Jalen because of his tendency to run right.
It's right there for anyone to see. The view differs in perspective from these two angles:
All Hail Tua.
or
Ah Hell, Jalen.
Neither are correct.
Come on TerryP, TUSKtimes is just been repeating everything that Todd Blackledge said about that play in real time. He said Jalen missed a wide open Ridley. Todd was a pretty good QB for Penn State and the replay he was using when he said that should put all your theories and hopes right next to the appearance of the unicorn.
Check out Todd's analysis of the play at the 36:00 mark of this video.
JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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#2 has a confidence problem that he is more afraid of F up and then he is of making the throw. He could stay at Bama 20 years and he will never correct the problem. You will need an OC that can design a passing scheme that has the primary receiver wide open on every attempt if #2 is going to be your passer. It will help if you have the very best team and players as well...............wait
Max
Member
Troof.
Tidestalker
Member
Geeeeeeez. Don't sweat it Tusk. You're right on. This is Jalen in a nutshell.... The actual play is so well thought out and executed until it's his time to make the throw. He can't anticipate and/or see what the coverage is giving him, and when Ridley breaks wide open he's not ready to pull the trigger because he's got the yipps.
On the the other hand he's a very good athlete and takes his typical red carpet stroll to the right sideline and finds the 1st rounder working himself wide open, AGAIN, on the right side of the endzone.
No idea why Terry can't just admit that play was perfectly designed for our 1 receiver that we targeted nearly every play (does anyone seriously think the OC would expect Jalen to check to someone else there?) and he missed him wide ass open.
You're spot on. Great find.
Tidestalker
Member
A re post for those that missed it, think Jalen is being "picked on", or didn't digest it properly the first time:
Jalen Hurts Playoff Stats:
Washington:
7/14 - 57 Yards - 0 TD - 0 INT (19/50 Rush Yards)
Clemson #1:
13/31 - 130 Yards - 1 TD - 0 INT (10/63 Rush Yards)
Clemson #2:
16/24 - 120 Yards - 2 TD - 0 INT (11/40 Rush Yards)
Georgia:
3/8 - 21 Yards - 0 TD - 0 INT (6/40 Rush Yards)
Combined:
39/67 - 328 Yards - 3 TD - 0 INT (46/193 Rush Yards)
Average in 4 Playoff Appearances:
9.75/16.75 - 82 Yards - .75 TD - 0 INT (Avg: 11.5/48)
Total Yards Accounted For: 130 YPG
There's a difference between being picked on and being evaluated. Stats, AKA numbers, don't have feelings. They just are what they are. And to be nice instead of nasty for some of the sensitive folks in the forum, these are not good.
Jalen Hurts Playoff Stats:
Washington:
7/14 - 57 Yards - 0 TD - 0 INT (19/50 Rush Yards)
Clemson #1:
13/31 - 130 Yards - 1 TD - 0 INT (10/63 Rush Yards)
Clemson #2:
16/24 - 120 Yards - 2 TD - 0 INT (11/40 Rush Yards)
Georgia:
3/8 - 21 Yards - 0 TD - 0 INT (6/40 Rush Yards)
Combined:
39/67 - 328 Yards - 3 TD - 0 INT (46/193 Rush Yards)
Average in 4 Playoff Appearances:
9.75/16.75 - 82 Yards - .75 TD - 0 INT (Avg: 11.5/48)
Total Yards Accounted For: 130 YPG
There's a difference between being picked on and being evaluated. Stats, AKA numbers, don't have feelings. They just are what they are. And to be nice instead of nasty for some of the sensitive folks in the forum, these are not good.
Max
Member
You're evaluating plays within this thread that you've gotten completely wrong. Is that a fair evaluation? Hellz no.
I think we all appreciate what Jalen has brought to the team these last few years with his leadership and poise. I for one would love to see it continue in some capacity. But honestly, Jalen was throwing the ball better his freshman season, turnovers and all. This thing about one interception for the season is one of those goofy stats that says more about what he wouldn't do his sophomore season than what he actually accomplished in the air. He also threw for 700 fewer yards and 6 fewer TDs.
With Jalen, some are making a religion about his lack of turnovers at QB and that altar is getting old. I don't think you can put the football in the air without risk. So this argument is always more than just putting the ball in harm's way, it's about putting the ball in play. Much like the first half of the Georgia game, and there were many others, unfortunately, the inability to throw the ball with conviction and anticipation took points off the board.
mando
Member
@TerryP I am a big Jalen fan and he is a winner and nothing but a class kid. I am curious however why you think he shouldn't throw the ball over the top into the end zone since there is no safety in the middle or at least I did not see one? Not saying put a lot of air on the ball but enough to get it over the LB. To me he could which would be the answer to your passing lane question.
Tidestalker
Member
Of course! There's no one over the top! It doesn't get any easier when your #1 is wide open behind the defense. Even if he overthrows him there's no risk
Because it's a 15 yard throw he's going to have to loop over the linebackers. There is no window there. You've got a SAM sitting there spying on Jalen and the left corner, in coverage, crossing the route Calvin is running.
What's crazy here is @TUSKtimes and @Tidestalker refuse to read this in its entirety.
There were no open passing lanes.
It was a good decision not to throw then.
It was a better decision to wait for Calvin to cross while allowing the LCB take himself out of the play.
And in the end...
Jalen scrambling brings the SAM up opening the back corner even more giving an easier pass. This "pitch and catch" thing through that window? That's the stuff dreams are made of with only a few having that capability.
This is what I consider to be yet another play where it's not being looked at fairly, or in its context.
The story continues to change with Jalen and how he's represented. In this thread we have people criticizing his completions his frosh year calling them handoffs, and then another praise his passing and excuse the turnovers. Have some forgotten the offensive system Saban runs?
I get that some people are fans of one and not the other. There's nothing about what Tua may bring to the field I don't hold a lot of excitement for. I tire, quickly, of Jalen's play being rewritten--in some cases pure works of fiction--just to support ones choice for who they think should be taking the snaps. On the other hand I'm consistently amused by how often some people's criticism changes. I'm amused how some things are just made up.
The degree of irony found with a lot doesn't surprise me. The very arguments against Jalen--ones they fought tooth and nail--are the very same arguments used to criticize him now. What you're reading here reads just like those who were cautious about him taking the reigns two years ago. Often heard were cries of "Kiffin isn't a QB coach," or "give him time to mature." Yet, all of those cries are where today? Answer: quickly, and as quietly blanketed as they can manage.
The one continuing theme of this off-season from a few here remains the same: Don't write him off.
Damn.
That's an antagonistic opinion. <img alt="" src="https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.567420689.0744/pp,650x642-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.u2.jpg" style="width: 75px; height: 100px;" />
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