🌎 Israel vs. Iran, and where will the US fit in?

All this so called regret by the “so called killer of OBL”… I call BS… every Spec ops , Vietnam , Korea and WW2 guys (I spoke with), said the didnt give a rats ass about killing anyone they did… They were affected by the fellow soldiers deaths and injuries..
I don’t doubt your experience. But I don’t doubt this solder’s heartfelt and nuanced testimony either. It is possible to care [mostly] about your fellow soldiers and also to retrospectively care about the victims of your actions. Both sentiments aren’t mutually exclusive.
 
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Wars destroy everything, the conqueror and the conquered alike. It exhausts resources of all sorts and kinds: food, materials, money, and perhaps most importantly, the scarce supply of brave and strong men upon which every prosperous society relies. History clearly demonstrates this, and economics can predict it. War feeds all the critical resources of civilization into a massive wood chipper faster than those resources can be replenished naturally in peacetime. This is why every dying civilization is preceded by massive government expenditure (ie consumption of wealth). And nothing consumes wealth faster and redistributes it into fewer hands more than war. Smart people have known this throughout history, from Aristotle to our Founders.
 
Whose land?
I believe you have ample material in this thread alone that already offers a reply to this question, if you earnestly want to add to the debate and discussion, rather than reinvent it.

But to accommodate your fire-starting message board tactic, we can safely say:
  1. not your land,
  2. not my land,
  3. not the US government’s and US taxpayer’s land,
  4. not any would-be immigrant’s land,
  5. and most importantly, not the land of UK foreign secretary Alfred Balfour and the Rothschild European banking family.
 
I believe you have ample material in this thread alone that already offers a reply to this question, if you earnestly want to add to the debate and discussion, rather than reinvent it.
A thought, based on what was quoted in the post on X, wasn't necessarily a question posed as much as something as simple as a thought spoken out loud.

I do have a pretty simplistic view. If Joe tries to give John something and John says no, Bill can't tell me it's John's.
 
… wasn't necessarily a question posed as much as …
You’re doing it again. 🙃

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If I’ve shared any content with which you’d like to contest (or who knows, maybe even commend!), quoting it would be useful. I’m too busy to decrypt what your posts really mean.

As I alluded to in a different thread, here’s a good assortment of remarks on this issue by the late Hitchens, with whom I often vehemently disagreed on other issues:


On the other hand, here’s a lesser known author with whom I have agreed on most every issue under the sun speaking on this issue. One of the most informative one-hour interviews post-Oct 7th:
 
Refer to the Hitchens montage in my previous post, specifically his reply to Charlie Rose. No one worth listening to suggests we can rewind the clock and evict Israelis anymore than we can undo the original Palestinian evictions.
Point is what makes it acceptable prior to current day and unacceptable now? I'm sure someone in Britain objected to colonizing America. People objected to the south seceding and northern aggressors. People object to Russia trying to reclaim Ukraine. War happens and it is never for a just cause in everyone's opinion.
 
@musso you can call it serving whoever you want but if the men and women of this country didn't volunteer to serve their country in a military status, act in forward deployed shows of strength, and have the intestinal fortitude to defend this country no matter if they find their particular assignment just or not then we wouldn't be free and people wouldn't have the option to sit around opining publicly. I appreciate each and every person who chooses to serve and I appreciate the rights it gives those who did not.
 
If I’ve shared any content with which you’d like to contest (or who knows, maybe even commend!), quoting it would be useful. I’m too busy to decrypt what your posts really mean.
I'm not that complicated. The earlier post was written as if I was in the room; a fly on the wall.

I always consider content. I'm not one to shy away from contesting. It's got to be the right subject at the right time. 🤷‍♂️
 
Point is what makes it acceptable prior to current day and unacceptable now? I'm sure someone in Britain objected to colonizing America. People objected to the south seceding and northern aggressors. People object to Russia trying to reclaim Ukraine. War happens and it is never for a just cause in everyone's opinion.
Not sure what your precise question or assertion is here. But I’d say history teaches that every populace in every country needs to be skeptical of every war salesman that demands for you to pay, in blood and/or treasure, for their war. In modern day parlance, our Founders were conspiracy theorists on the war issue, for they repeatedly admitted that wars occurred for reasons other than what was sold to the public. They openly tried to mitigate for the ease with which governments lead their subjects into war by stripping the war power from the chief executive.

“We have already given in example one effectual check to the dog of war by transferring the power of letting him loose from the Executive to the Legislative body. . . ." (Jefferson to Madison, 1789)

“The constitution supposes, what the History of all Governments demonstrates, that the Executive is the branch of power most interested in war, and most prone to it. It has accordingly with studied care vested the question of war to the Legislature." (Madison to Jefferson, c. 1798.)

A favorite of mine is from Thomas Paine in a debate with Burke:

“It may with reason be said, that in the manner the English nation is represented, it signifies not where this right resides, whether in the Crown, or in the Parliament. War is the common harvest of all those who participate in the division and expenditure of public money, in all countries. It is the art of conquering at home: the object of it is an increase of revenue; and as revenue cannot be increased without taxes, a pretence must be made for expenditures. In reviewing the history of the English government, its wars and its taxes, a by-stander, not blinded by prejudice, nor warped by interest, would declare, that taxes were not raised to carry on wars, but that wars were raised to carry on taxes.”

Many years later, persecuted whistleblower Julian Assange echoed Paine’s sentiment:


 
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Not sure what your precise question or assertion is here. But I’d say history teaches that every populace in every country needs to be skeptical of every war salesman that demands for you to pay, in blood and/or treasure, for their war. In modern day parlance, our Founders were conspiracy theorists on the war issue, for they repeatedly admitted that wars occurred for reasons other than what was sold to the public. They openly tried to mitigate for the ease with which governments lead their subjects into war by stripping the war authority from the chief executive.

“We have already given in example one effectual check to the dog of war by transferring the power of letting him loose from the Executive to the Legislative body. . . ." (Jefferson to Madison, 1789)

“The constitution supposes, what the History of all Governments demonstrates, that the Executive is the branch of power most interested in war, and most prone to it. It has accordingly with studied care vested the question of war to the Legislature." (Madison to Jefferson, c. 1798.)

A favorite of mine is from Thomas Paine in a debate with Burke:

“It may with reason be said, that in the manner the English nation is represented, it signifies not where this right resides, whether in the Crown, or in the Parliament. War is the common harvest of all those who participate in the division and expenditure of public money, in all countries. It is the art of conquering at home: the object of it is an increase of revenue; and as revenue cannot be increased without taxes, a pretence must be made for expenditures. In reviewing the history of the English government, its wars and its taxes, a by-stander, not blinded by prejudice, nor warped by interest, would declare, that taxes were not raised to carry on wars, but that wars were raised to carry on taxes.”

Many years later, persecuted whistleblower Julian Assange echoed Paine’s sentiment:



War is hell no matter the reason and everyone is never going to agree on the reason. Some will say it's for whatever they can get others on board with and some will say it's for an ulterior motive. Some are warmongers and some are pacifists but the constant throughout history is war.
 


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