🏈 ex-Clemson QB Kelly Bryant's transfers to Missouri

[TUSKtimes]

I wonder if Kelly was kicking himself in the ass after Lawrence went down?

Do you really think it was necessary to replace a very good senior QB with a true freshman that at this point is not as good? When it comes to digging graves I think Dabo has a shovel in both hands.

 

[planomateo]

I wonder if Kelly was kicking himself in the ass after Lawrence went down?

Doubt it, play 2 games while he recovers from concussion and burn eligibility vs playing a full season somewhere else.

 

[BamaFan334]

So are the guys that left Penn State and Ole Miss after everything that's happened, quitters?

How are these comparable?

Well they both followed the rules offered to them, so how is it not comparable? Folks wanna call one a quitter and the others aren't? Neither school really had a true shot to win the National Championship, so their sanctions, while mentally tough to grasp, is more of a truth to their chances rather than it being an Alabama or Clemson type team. Are the ones that stayed at their respective schools not something more or are they perceived as the same in the eyes of those calling Bryant a quiter?

 

[TerryP]

Well they both followed the rules offered to them, so how is it not comparable?

The ability to transfer due to sanctions and postseason bans versus transferring because you lost a starting job. The first two revolve around something that was taken away; the later something that was lost.

 

[BamaFan334]

Well they both followed the rules offered to them, so how is it not comparable?

The ability to transfer due to sanctions and postseason bans versus transferring because you lost a starting job. The first two revolve around something that was taken away; the later something that was lost.

Who's to say it wasn't taken away from Bryant? The stats are pretty similar taking into considerstion the opponents, when they entered the game and all. I think Dabo felt the pressure from boosters and outside sources, because I cannot see that major of a difference currently, even though I agree Lawrence has the higher ceiling and future.

 

[TerryP]

Who's to say it wasn't taken away from Bryant?

No who, but what. Namely, Clemson scoring on five of the six possessions Lawrence took under center against Ga Tech. It was pretty easy to see the offense worked better with him under center.

 

[BamaFan334]

Who's to say it wasn't taken away from Bryant?

No who, but what. Namely, Clemson scoring on five of the six possessions Lawrence took under center against Ga Tech. It was pretty easy to see the offense worked better with him under center.

Wow, Georgia Tech. National defensive powerhouse. Let's look at College Station and what quarterback moved the offense when the game was actually on the line and a little diversity showed itself. There is no defining moment for Lawrence that I saw to jump Bryant. I'm not a coach, I'm not there every day, but based on what I see on Saturday's there was not some major gap like say between Tua and Hurts.

 

[TerryP]

@BamaFan334,

Come on now. Ga Tech was the final straw.

The stats are pretty similar taking into considerstion the opponents,

No. They don't.

The only thing you can compare is completion percentage. TD to INT ration has Lawrence at 9:2 and Bryant at 2:1 with Bryant starting the first four games. There's over 30 points differential in QB ratings in favor of Lawrence but their stats are similar?

 

[BamaFan334]

@BamaFan334,

Come on now. Ga Tech was the final straw.

The stats are pretty similar taking into considerstion the opponents,

No. They don't.

The only thing you can compare is completion percentage. TD to INT ration has Lawrence at 9:2 and Bryant at 2:1 with Bryant starting the first four games. There's over 30 points differential in QB ratings in favor of Lawrence but their stats are similar?

Don't want to add in the running aspect that makes Bryant dynamic? Two more touchdowns. How many did Lawrence throw against Furman? It's just like Tua and Fromm, these guys aren't playing the second half and the backups were getting more reps and opportunities which pads their stats. You know this. Even though the starter's stats aren't as high, that's because they aren't even playing full games in these early season warm ups. I don't believe in Karma, but something to be said about Lawrence going down in the first game after Bryant left. Dabo and Clemson were beyond fortunate.

 

[94 Grad]

So are the guys that left Penn State and Ole Miss after everything that's happened, quitters?

Did they leave mid-season... if so, then yes they are quitters.

 

[BamaFan334]

So are the guys that left Penn State and Ole Miss after everything that's happened, quitters?

Did they leave mid-season... if so, then yes they are quitters.

Why does it matter if they left before or mid-season? A lot of these schools gaurantee four year scholarships now, so while not binding, they are committing to you and you are committing to them.

 

[94 Grad]

So are the guys that left Penn State and Ole Miss after everything that's happened, quitters?

Did they leave mid-season... if so, then yes they are quitters.

Why does it matter if they left before or mid-season? A lot of these schools gaurantee four year scholarships now, so while not binding, they are committing to you and you are committing to them.

The Question was in regards to Penn State and Ole Miss NCAA Violations and penalties.... in which those kids did not know about prior to any commitment. If they left after the end of the season after the penalties had been levied, then I wouldn't consider them quitters. If they left mid-season before said sanctions when into place, I would consider them quitters.

In terms of KB leaving Clemson after 4 games... He knows every year that there will be a competition for the QB spot. He was never guaranteed the starting role. He left mid season after he lost the position. This may be a good thing for him (I don't hold it against him at all for leaving), but he is a quitter. Again, quitting is just an action... it could be good it could be bad. A lot has to do with what lens you're looking at it through. As I said prior, quitting smoking isn't a bad thing for the smoker, but it isn't so good for the tobacco company.

In regards to your 4 year scholarship comment, KB has essentially taken away a scholarship for this year that could have gone to someone else. So although I think he's actually making the correct decision for himself... he's screwing Clemson in the process. It is what it is, though.

 

[TerryP]

Don't want to add in the running aspect that makes Bryant dynamic? Two more touchdowns. How many did Lawrence throw against Furman? It's just like Tua and Fromm, these guys aren't playing the second half and the backups were getting more reps and opportunities which pads their stats. You know this. Even though the starter's stats aren't as high, that's because they aren't even playing full games in these early season warm ups. I don't believe in Karma, but something to be said about Lawrence going down in the first game after Bryant left. Dabo and Clemson were beyond fortunate.

You're mentioning Furman, a game where Lawrence played better than Bryant, and bringing in the dynamic of playing in the second half. Yet, it was Bryant who started the second half against Furman. Yes, he had a rushing touchdown against Furman as well at A&M. But, through four games he's not that dynamic. I'm guessing here but I'm pretty sure it's a safe statement to say he didn't register 150 on the ground in four games. He did have over 50 against A&M, on 15 carries. That's as bad as Auburn's rushing game right now.

A little over three yards per carry isn't a dynamic running quarterback in any division.

It's really simple. They get better production out of Lawrence than they do Bryant. A very easy choice for a coach to make.

 

[BamaFan334]

Don't want to add in the running aspect that makes Bryant dynamic? Two more touchdowns. How many did Lawrence throw against Furman? It's just like Tua and Fromm, these guys aren't playing the second half and the backups were getting more reps and opportunities which pads their stats. You know this. Even though the starter's stats aren't as high, that's because they aren't even playing full games in these early season warm ups. I don't believe in Karma, but something to be said about Lawrence going down in the first game after Bryant left. Dabo and Clemson were beyond fortunate.

You're mentioning Furman, a game where Lawrence played better than Bryant, and bringing in the dynamic of playing in the second half. Yet, it was Bryant who started the second half against Furman. Yes, he had a rushing touchdown against Furman as well at A&M. But, through four games he's not that dynamic. I'm guessing here but I'm pretty sure it's a safe statement to say he didn't register 150 on the ground in four games. He did have over 50 against A&M, on 15 carries. That's as bad as Auburn's rushing game right now.

A little over three yards per carry isn't a dynamic running quarterback in any division.

It's really simple. They get better production out of Lawrence than they do Bryant. A very easy choice for a coach to make.

We'll see if Lawrence can get them to the Playoffs. That remains to be seen. But I'm sticking with the fact there has been nothing truly separating the two. I never said Lawrence played better against Furman, I simply stated four of his nine touchdowns, almost half, were against them. The production you speak of was not there in their biggest game of the year, only against much inferior opponents. When the pressure was on, Lawrence wasn't producing, which is why Dabo took him out cahse he knew he couldn't win. You say it was an easy decision, but the easy decision almost derailed their season in the first game since that decision. A lot of football left, so we'll find out.

 

[BamaFan334]

So are the guys that left Penn State and Ole Miss after everything that's happened, quitters?

Did they leave mid-season... if so, then yes they are quitters.

Why does it matter if they left before or mid-season? A lot of these schools gaurantee four year scholarships now, so while not binding, they are committing to you and you are committing to them.

The Question was in regards to Penn State and Ole Miss NCAA Violations and penalties.... in which those kids did not know about prior to any commitment. If they left after the end of the season after the penalties had been levied, then I wouldn't consider them quitters. If they left mid-season before said sanctions when into place, I would consider them quitters.

In terms of KB leaving Clemson after 4 games... He knows every year that there will be a competition for the QB spot. He was never guaranteed the starting role. He left mid season after he lost the position. This may be a good thing for him (I don't hold it against him at all for leaving), but he is a quitter. Again, quitting is just an action... it could be good it could be bad. A lot has to do with what lens you're looking at it through. As I said prior, quitting smoking isn't a bad thing for the smoker, but it isn't so good for the tobacco company.

In regards to your 4 year scholarship comment, KB has essentially taken away a scholarship for this year that could have gone to someone else. So although I think he's actually making the correct decision for himself... he's screwing Clemson in the process. It is what it is, though.

Well the word quitter is being used in this thread with a negative connotation, not a positive one. And leaving your team hanging in the Penn State and Ole Miss situation was just as bad cause you don't think Shae Patterson was being counted on by his receivers to lift their status and numbers for their future? He knew when he committed things were going on with Ole Miss and took the word of his coach instead of doing his due dilligence, so I consider that even dumber and a worse use of the word quitter than what Bryant did. They both quit their team, correct, but what Oatterson and Jefferson did was no more noble than what Bryant did.

 

[pop2]

Dabo's mistake was not waiting until the 5th game to make the change.

 

[planomateo]

Dabo's mistake was not waiting until the 5th game to make the change.

I'd lose a ton of respect for him if he did that.

 

[Tidestalker]

Dabo's mistake was not waiting until the 5th game to make the change.

I'd lose a ton of respect for him if he did that.

Why? Isn't it his job to put the team before an individual? I fully understand your point, but in a non-emotional perspective... That should have been what he did in order to give his team the best chance to be successful. Which is what he's paid to do

 

[planomateo]

If I'm on the team and I find out he did that, I'm not very happy. I imagine there are others on the team that share a similar viewpoint.

What's best for the team can be viewed through numerous lenses...

 

[Tidestalker]

If I'm on the team and I find out he did that, I'm not very happy. I imagine there are others on the team that share a similar viewpoint.

What's best for the team can be viewed through numerous lenses...

That's a great point. It really is... Nothing is "cut and dry" when it comes to coaching so many individuals.

The greater point though is where does that end? Like, at what length does the coach go to appease individuals by blatantly putting them in front of the team?

I guess what I'm saying is I certainly wouldn't blame a coach for doing what's best for his team. I can see the alternative view, but it's a very slippery slope. Is he gonna do that for the backup cornerback? Backup line backer? Where does it end and you still have a national title contender... on on a lower level a competitive team.