🏈 ex-Clemson QB Kelly Bryant's transfers to Missouri

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Again , I am going with Dabo gave Bryant a shot at getting another year of college football at another school or even at Clemson. The timing of the change leads us to that very reason.

I just don't see the quitter label on the way out. Jalen is likely gone after the season to get more playing time, AS A STARTER, and technically, he has to quit his job here and go where he can get reps. It's a general term that smacks like a branding iron.

Jalen is getting much credit ( I am on that team as well) for sticking with Bama but the question has to be asked is what would he have done if didn't have the extra year to play in 2019? Would he make the same choice? We don't know and really I don't care.

 

[planomateo]

Coaches opened pandoras box to enable student athletes the ability to play up to 4 games w/o using a year of eligibility. Bet some of them want to close it now. They'll have to adapt. If they purposely let guys play 5 games and then make them ride the bench, then that's pathetic.

KB was 16-2 as a starter at Clemson. Losing to Syracuse and Alabama. Still don't understand how Syracuse has their number...

Clemson coaches quit on KB first :eyeroll:

 

[TUSKtimes]

Jalen is getting much credit ( I am on that team as well) for sticking with Bama but the question has to be asked is what would he have done if didn't have the extra year to play in 2019? Would he make the same choice? We don't know and really I don't care.

You continue to address this with me, so again, the part I struggle with from the public point of view is whether or not this makes Jalen a quitter when he does decide to go. If you're not going to remember him as such then I don't know how Bryant simply goes in that category now. Let's include everyone that changed their jobs for a better one, they're quitters. Every coach that up and left a university's strong investment in them, even after a single season, they, certainly are quitters too. And that guy down in Baton Rouge, Joe Burrows, he should be sitting on a bench collecting splinters in Columbus, not starting for the 5th ranked team in America on a Saturday night in Death Valley. By definition, he's a quitter too.

 

[projectorguy1]

You continue to address this with me, so again, the part I struggle with from the public point of view is whether or not this makes Jalen a quitter when he does decide to go. If you're not going to remember him as such then I don't know how Bryant simply goes in that category now. Let's include everyone that changed their jobs for a better one, they're quitters. Every coach that up and left a university's strong investment in them, even after a single season, they, certainly are quitters too. And that guy down in Baton Rouge, Joe Burrows, he should be sitting on a bench collecting splinters in Columbus, not starting for the 5th ranked team in America on a Saturday night in Death Valley. By definition, he's a quitter too.[/QUOTE]

I'snt it obvious that the difference is leaving after the season instead of in the middle of it?? Just saying...

 

[TerryP]

I just don't see the quitter label on the way out.

I'snt it obvious that the difference is leaving after the season instead of in the middle of it?? Just saying...

This.

This is what I don't understand--it's too simple.

Even if we set the reasons aside, that in itself separates the Penn State and Ole Miss stories from Clemson's story. BUT, at the same time, it puts Clemson's story right next to Bama's--with Blake Barnett.

In layman's terms, it's like a two weeks notice. One fair, one putting another in a bind. Both are quitting, so to speak, but the later is doing so with self in mind--in a team sport.

 

[BamaFan334]

You continue to address this with me, so again, the part I struggle with from the public point of view is whether or not this makes Jalen a quitter when he does decide to go. If you're not going to remember him as such then I don't know how Bryant simply goes in that category now. Let's include everyone that changed their jobs for a better one, they're quitters. Every coach that up and left a university's strong investment in them, even after a single season, they, certainly are quitters too. And that guy down in Baton Rouge, Joe Burrows, he should be sitting on a bench collecting splinters in Columbus, not starting for the 5th ranked team in America on a Saturday night in Death Valley. By definition, he's a quitter too.

I'snt it obvious that the difference is leaving after the season instead of in the middle of it?? Just saying...[/QUOTE]

It's within the rules though. It's fair play. A new dynamic, but he played the hand he was dealt and did it within the rules. These new rules everyone wants provides these type of scenarios. Just like expanding the playoff to six, then people will scream for eight. Progressives.

 

[TUSKtimes]

I'snt it obvious that the difference is leaving after the season instead of in the middle of it?? Just saying...

Yeah, that's the unintended consequences everyone keeps alluding to. In coach speak, we thought this redshirt stuff was going to benefit the school and instead it's providing a special incentive for players to skip town. Look how the rule has not only effect Jalen but also Tua. They had to keep both on media lockdown until the redshirt rule ran its course. More unintended consequence.

As far as seeing this coming, surely these football people could see that it was always going to be a two-way street. If not, calling them quitters won't matter, they are still leaving as soon as all these head coaches quit slow-playing their decision as who will be starting. Got a nasty name for that game?

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

It will be interesting to learn just how many players nationwide were able to participate in the new 4 game deal (retain the redshirt). 247 had a chart of those freshmen and how many games they had played and several of ours had only played in 1 game thus far.

 

[OldPlayer]

Coaches leave all the time, but they don't leave (on their own) in the middle of a season. Players who graduate (a key component of going to college) have the right to leave and go elsewhere for their remaining eligibility. These players are eligible immediately at their new school. When they graduate, they don't leave in the middle of a season. There are a limited number of scholarships for a football team. Those scholarships are distributed based on the team needs and the athletic departments actually send money to the school's registrar to pay for the player's education. When somebody leaves the team in mid-season, that funding for the semester has already been paid and the team can't go find, or fund, another player for the semester.

The issue I have with Bryant, Blake Barnett and others is that they walked away during the season. They didn't go to practice and continue to improve or help the team. They quit and left.

 

[BamaFan334]

Coaches leave all the time, but they don't leave (on their own) in the middle of a season. Players who graduate (a key component of going to college) have the right to leave and go elsewhere for their remaining eligibility. These players are eligible immediately at their new school. When they graduate, they don't leave in the middle of a season. There are a limited number of scholarships for a football team. Those scholarships are distributed based on the team needs and the athletic departments actually send money to the school's registrar to pay for the player's education. When somebody leaves the team in mid-season, that funding for the semester has already been paid and the team can't go find, or fund, another player for the semester.

The issue I have with Bryant, Blake Barnett and others is that they walked away during the season. They didn't go to practice and continue to improve or help the team. They quit and left.

That money is still going to the University though, not the player, so they can easily prorate it and send a refund back to the coffers. If I'm not mistaken you can technically quit school and get a prorated refund as a normal student. Now if we start paying players, they will need to reimburse funds given to them in my opinion. These are rules now, so a school, coach, and program will need to learn to deal with it and learn to adjust. Calling him a "quitter" is just not sitting well with me, but the way Dabo came to the conclusion doesn't make sense to me either. I've made my case in multiple posts, so I won't rehash that, but calling the guy a quitter after being with the program for 3.5 years is not correct, especially when he made a decision that was within the rules offered to him. I don't believe in paying the players like a lot do, but I do believe in treating these guys fairly and allowing them to do what they feel is best for their future and their family. I don't mind this rule and if they don't like what is going on around them, not getting what they were promised, and feel they are getting an unfair shake, then let them move on. You don't want that around your program and if they fall moving forward it's on them, but giving them that choice is most important. Never want a kid to feel like his feet are in concrete. Lord knows how much trouble I would be in with some of the decisions I made at 18 and if I wasn't allowed to make myself better with a change of decision.

 

[Tidestalker]

Coaches leave all the time, but they don't leave (on their own) in the middle of a season. Players who graduate (a key component of going to college) have the right to leave and go elsewhere for their remaining eligibility. These players are eligible immediately at their new school. When they graduate, they don't leave in the middle of a season. There are a limited number of scholarships for a football team. Those scholarships are distributed based on the team needs and the athletic departments actually send money to the school's registrar to pay for the player's education. When somebody leaves the team in mid-season, that funding for the semester has already been paid and the team can't go find, or fund, another player for the semester.

The issue I have with Bryant, Blake Barnett and others is that they walked away during the season. They didn't go to practice and continue to improve or help the team. They quit and left.

The coaches argument is a bad one.... There isn't a clause in their contract, or the universities end to allow them a FREE re do 33% into the season.

Like I said, if there was, some changes would be happening.

The principle & character aspect of it I fully understand and agree with you on

 

[94 Grad]

Coaches opened pandoras box to enable student athletes the ability to play up to 4 games w/o using a year of eligibility. Bet some of them want to close it now.

It's an easy fix... let kids play 4 games and RS only in their FS year.

 

[OldPlayer]

Coaches leave all the time, but they don't leave (on their own) in the middle of a season. Players who graduate (a key component of going to college) have the right to leave and go elsewhere for their remaining eligibility. These players are eligible immediately at their new school. When they graduate, they don't leave in the middle of a season. There are a limited number of scholarships for a football team. Those scholarships are distributed based on the team needs and the athletic departments actually send money to the school's registrar to pay for the player's education. When somebody leaves the team in mid-season, that funding for the semester has already been paid and the team can't go find, or fund, another player for the semester.

The issue I have with Bryant, Blake Barnett and others is that they walked away during the season. They didn't go to practice and continue to improve or help the team. They quit and left.

The coaches argument is a bad one.... There isn't a clause in their contract, or the universities end to allow them a FREE re do 33% into the season.

Like I said, if there was, some changes would be happening.

The principle & character aspect of it I fully understand and agree with you on

Can you give a list of coaches that have left a team for another team midway during a season? Pretty much all of them leave at the end of the season.

 

[BamaFan334]

Coaches leave all the time, but they don't leave (on their own) in the middle of a season. Players who graduate (a key component of going to college) have the right to leave and go elsewhere for their remaining eligibility. These players are eligible immediately at their new school. When they graduate, they don't leave in the middle of a season. There are a limited number of scholarships for a football team. Those scholarships are distributed based on the team needs and the athletic departments actually send money to the school's registrar to pay for the player's education. When somebody leaves the team in mid-season, that funding for the semester has already been paid and the team can't go find, or fund, another player for the semester.

The issue I have with Bryant, Blake Barnett and others is that they walked away during the season. They didn't go to practice and continue to improve or help the team. They quit and left.

The coaches argument is a bad one.... There isn't a clause in their contract, or the universities end to allow them a FREE re do 33% into the season.

Like I said, if there was, some changes would be happening.

The principle & character aspect of it I fully understand and agree with you on

Can you give a list of coaches that have left a team for another team midway during a season? Pretty much all of them leave at the end of the season.

Spurrier did. We've seen countless others fired during the middle of the season for performance issues. Wasn't Kiffin fired as he got off the plane from USC?

 

[planomateo]

I'm not gonna bother counting coaches who leave prior to bowl game...

Doesn't matter when they leave in my opinion, when it happens usually philosophies change and playing time is impacted. I don't ever anyone calling coaches quitters...

 

[Tidestalker]

Coaches leave all the time, but they don't leave (on their own) in the middle of a season. Players who graduate (a key component of going to college) have the right to leave and go elsewhere for their remaining eligibility. These players are eligible immediately at their new school. When they graduate, they don't leave in the middle of a season. There are a limited number of scholarships for a football team. Those scholarships are distributed based on the team needs and the athletic departments actually send money to the school's registrar to pay for the player's education. When somebody leaves the team in mid-season, that funding for the semester has already been paid and the team can't go find, or fund, another player for the semester.

The issue I have with Bryant, Blake Barnett and others is that they walked away during the season. They didn't go to practice and continue to improve or help the team. They quit and left.

The coaches argument is a bad one.... There isn't a clause in their contract, or the universities end to allow them a FREE re do 33% into the season.

Like I said, if there was, some changes would be happening.

The principle & character aspect of it I fully understand and agree with you on

Can you give a list of coaches that have left a team for another team midway during a season? Pretty much all of them leave at the end of the season.

This went over your head.

Coaches, or the universities, are penalized for quitting 4 games in... via their contracts.

Meamwhile the players "contracts" allow them to quit or sit 4 games in and get rewarded with another free year.

That is why comparing the 2 is apples and oranges. And if the NCAA allowed it in their contracts with coaches that hiring and firing 4 games in came without penalty you'd already see a new coach at FSU and a school without coach due to their next hire.

 

[Tidestalker]

Coaches opened pandoras box to enable student athletes the ability to play up to 4 games w/o using a year of eligibility. Bet some of them want to close it now.

It's an easy fix... let kids play 4 games and RS only in their FS year.

Now this.... I agree with!

 

[planomateo]

@94 Grad @Tidestalker What about JC transfers?

 

[Tidestalker]

@94 Grad @Tidestalker What about JC transfers?

eeeeesh... I'd lean towards no. But could see a clause for that.... Great qeustion

 

[94 Grad]

@94 Grad @Tidestalker What about JC transfers?

The intent of the rule was to give development time to Freshman; however, I personally would be neutral on JC transfer 4 game RS rule.