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I understand this is another cheap shot at me but I agree actually. I literally have family members that don't speak to me simply because of who I do or don't vote for, except this isn't some new phenomenon. It's been like this. My uncle told me that I should have been aborted when I told him I voted for Obama in 2008. And you may say "well, Im sure you're as outspoken about your views to them as you are on here" but Im not. After the first few times of being told what a dipshit I was for not having the same views I completely stopped taking part in those discussions at family gatherings but a certain family member still attempts to troll me into getting into an argument. This is definitely not a new thing.

That actually brings me back to hearing Squirell (I think thats who it was) on Finebaum last week breaking out into this argument about how the divide in this country is all the Democrats faults because of how they've responded to Trump and have "treated" him and said it was something we've never seen before. He's not the only one I've seen make that claim and Im pretty sure I've seen it on here. It's 1000% a lie. Well, either people have selective memories or they are lying one or the other.

We've talked and understand each other a little better, so I'm gonna try and slow it down the best I can. When Democrats are in office it's always about handcuffing growth with regulations, while Republicans want as much growth as possible and little regulation so they can seize more profits. Democrats are known for their socioeconomics where they try and take from the rich and give to the poor (raising taxes) with social programs that have clearly spiraled out of control from their initial intent. I agree that in one time or another we have all needed help from someone, so the initial thoughts of helping those in need is something I believe any human with a heart could have gotten behind. BUT, give a mouse a cookie and he wants a glass of milk scenario has played out and now we have people voting for the Democrats because they are promised free phones and much more. There is a notion, one backed up once you peel the layers out of 2,000 page bills that show the Democrats want to buy votes from the lower income level citizens by simply giving them more money with asking for nothing in return other than voting for them. Republicans are known for deregulation and an open market that allows anyone and everything to benefit if they have the drive. Democrats want more money in the form of taxes from upper and middle class earners to pay for their pet projects to give it to the lower class. This isn't my thought, this is reality. Most of us here are middle to upper class earners (atleast that's my guess), so trying to take money out of our pockets to pay for the "rights" of illegal immigrants and other deadbeats mooching off society is a hard no. Like I had wrote to you in our DM, it's simply not right to continue giving and earmarking money from hard working people for it to only be given to those taking advantage of the system without laws. Give them coupons for bread and milk, not allowing them to buy steaks and Cokes. We have learned that this "may make those people feel embarrassed", so we open up and allow them to buy whatever they want, and you see food stamp recipients walking out of the store with more name brand food and supplies than someone using their paycheck, on top of those food stamps being sold for less cash so they can buy liquor and cigarettes. Will that little rant being said, it's no wonder that a lot of Americans see the Democrats as losing money to in an election because investing tightens up with a Democrat in office due to regulation. With that being said, I know there are also more white collar crimes when there is deregulation because big banks and Wall Street are behind a lot of dirty money at the expense of lower and middle income earners. The housing market is a great example, but with that you gotta have two to tango and you have a combination of smart intelligent money men and idiot borrowers. Both sides have their faults, but investors hold their money when Democrats are in charge and therefor markets showcase that in a lot of cases.

As far as all of the "stupid" comments, none of them are stupid. They may say dumb things or make you turn your head sideways like a dog hearing a weird sound, but none of them are stupid. Most of them have degrees and careers that they worked VERY hard for, and a stupid person couldn't have done. The only person I have found to be a complete dumbass stupid idiot is AOC. This chick is unbelievably stupid and will not win another term for everything she has costed her district. She won a small neighborhood with no voter turnout and simply the perfect storm for that race, not some well thought out strategic race that caught the nation's eye. Schiff, he's a piece of work, a liar, and a guy that would stab you in the back in two seconds simply from what he has shown to get on tv, but he's not stupid. As a matter of fact, most politicians are like him, Republican and Democrat. Here we are all fighting against one another, exactly what a handful of people want us to do, and in the end none of the elected officials give one fuck about any of us. Politicians make a salary that most of us here probably make and relatively modest, yet they are all millionaires. How does that happen? They are all cashing in at our expense through lobbyist and back door deals with foreign countries. They want to muddy the water on a day to day to get us to fight, that way there is zero attention to what is really happening in Washington. So let's please admit to one another that both sides of the aisle are garbage. We can align with a side that is built more towards our lifestyle and the type of worker we are, but one side is no more dumber than the other side in this whole thing. Has the tensions not increased in this country? Are politicians not going above and beyond to create narratives? Why you may ask? To keep us in the dark and keep us down. Eventually the cream rises and these slimeballs are now being scrutinized like never before and it leads to them trying to get us to turn on each other.
 
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We've talked and understand each other a little better, so I'm gonna try and slow it down the best I can. When Democrats are in office it's always Here we are all fighting against one another, exactly what a handful of people want us to do, and in the end none of the elected officials give one fuck about any of us. Politicians make a salary that most of us here probably make and relatively modest, yet they are all millionaires. How does that happen? They are all cashing in at our expense through lobbyist and back door deals with foreign countries. They want to muddy the water on a day to day to get us to fight, that way there is zero attention to what is really happening in Washington. So let's please admit to one another that both sides of the aisle are garbage. We can align with a side that is built more towards our lifestyle and the type of worker we are, but one side is no more dumber than the other side in this whole thing. Has the tensions not increased in this country? Are politicians not going above and beyond to create narratives? Why you may ask? To keep us in the dark and keep us down.

Well said.

A warm take: I don't believe much of this really changes with whoever's at the top.

A hot take: And because of this, the Dem establishment is actually fine with Trump being Prez. Think about all the $$$ they get to raise in their local campaigns, lobbying groups, TV & paper advertisements, website hits, and on and on. I might add Trump gives them plenty of ammo for the reasons @BamaBoyJosh has cited, and ultimately that $ gets marginalized with Joe in office. Money Trumps Power :)

Which leads to a hotter take - Dem establishment would much rather have had Trump win than Sanders, which is ultimately why they coalesced to push Joe in front after Super Tuesday. Why? Simply because Trump is good for their business... Aside from raising $, The actual politics are very closely aligned in regards to not changing policy for the top earners, which as we know, is who really owns our politicians in both establishments. (Citing the handling of big corp bailouts in both regimes). Bernie was much more frightening to them than Trump, because there could have been some legit changes coming down the pike.

2020. Crazy times!
 
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Well said.

A warm take: I don't believe much of this really changes with whoever's at the top.

A hot take: And because of this, the Dem establishment is actually fine with Trump being Prez. Think about all the $$$ they get to raise in their local campaigns, lobbying groups, TV & paper advertisements, website hits, and on and on. I might add Trump gives them plenty of ammo for the reasons @BamaBoyJosh has cited, and ultimately that $ gets marginalized with Joe in office. Money Trumps Power :)

Which leads to a hotter take - Dem establishment would much rather have had Trump win than Sanders, which is ultimately why they coalesced to push Joe in front after Super Tuesday. Why? Simply because Trump is good for their business... Aside from raising $, The actual politics are very closely aligned in regards to not changing policy for the top earners, which as we know, is who really owns our politicians in both establishments. (Siting the handling of big corp bailouts in both regimes). Bernie was much more frightening to them than Trump, because there could have been some legit changes coming down the pike.

2020. Crazy times!

Correct, demo establishment has lined up to sink Bernie twice. First with rules configuration, second time with an orchestrated mass exodus of candidates - with a campaign debt chaser.
 
At this rate, COVID19 has probably killed more businesses than people. Its certainly unemployed more by an order of magnitude.

The models were wrong, then need to speak to this and talk this whole thing down. I know they wont do it.
 
The models were wrong
I have seen this said often. Were the models wrong OR the assumptions the models were based on changed with the actions that were taken?

I am not a doomsday type and I think the truth is somewhere between the sky is falling and it is all made up. I just think if you shut down the world of course it changes outcomes. I have not looked but I bet Flu and cold cases are also down. Just a theory.
 
I have seen this said often. Were the models wrong OR the assumptions the models were based on changed with the actions that were taken?

This is 100% it. The worst case scenario models that were always cited (2 million dead example) were based wholly on us not taking any measures. It's been ever-changing. Just a few weeks ago the government was citing "hey we did so great that now the death total is just going to be 60K" then it became 80K then 90K then "at least 100" and its going to continue to grow.
 
Trump is a genius. He convinced enough people that he’d be a good President that he got voted into office. All the while saying dumbass shit and making fun of people with disabilities, saying he could shoot somebody in downtown NYC and his supporters would still support him, degrading women, etc. Pretty genius.


I’ve voted for both parties, voted for W both times, voted for Obama in 08, Romney in 12 (I couldn’t stand Obama by then after how he acted at the memorial service for the 5 Dallas cops that were murdered), and didn’t voted for either Trump or Hillary because I didn’t think either was fit for the office of the President. I don’t see myself voting for either Trump or Biden in November. For the last 3 years since Trump took office Washington has had their heads in their asses. Dems are too focused on fighting Trump, Trump is too worried about Twitter, his inflated ego, and fighting with the media, and the republicans are too worried about the dems taking over that none of the elected officials do their damn jobs.

I ultimately look at voting as “will this person and their ideals and beliefs help or hurt my profession as a cop?”
 
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Ain't it great that in America we have the freedom to fight within ourselves. What's the odds that @BamaBoyJosh will turn around and love our POTUS. JUST HOPE we get 4 more years of this. I lost a 401k in Nobama years. About 250k. I'm sure 250k I don't want to go back but I love seeing the libs crying and moaning. I could have retired but now it's fun.
If you lost that much during Obama’s 8 years then you've really lost a ton because Trump’s 3 years have seen more volatility in the stock market than the last 4 of Obama and it’s going to continue to be bad because of the economy.
 
I have seen this said often. Were the models wrong OR the assumptions the models were based on changed with the actions that were taken?

Without the doubt the models were wrong to begin with. There was little data at the time to build the models not to mention, how did the models account for this uncertainty.

Then add in the behavioral changes implemented by society as a whole.

Flu data for this year isn't out yet, but the prior year is. The flu numbers have been tracked for years.

 
If you lost that much during Obama’s 8 years then you've really lost a ton because Trump’s 3 years have seen more volatility in the stock market than the last 4 of Obama and it’s going to continue to be bad because of the economy.
My investments have almost doubled since he took office. Only down a little right now.
 
If you lost that much during Obama’s 8 years then you've really lost a ton because Trump’s 3 years have seen more volatility in the stock market than the last 4 of Obama and it’s going to continue to be bad because of the economy.

That's not true. Folks gained so much on the front end that this little downturn hasn't wiped those gains.
 
This is similar to the model vs behavior discussion. So many things to factor into the market during a presidency.

You can look up the S&P 500 / DJIA to get an idea of how things have increased during specific periods.

The numbers don't lie, it went up more with POTUS Obama than has with POTUS Trump over the first 3 year period (Jan-Jan). The recession will skew those numbers a bit, as the 2009-2010 jump was significant, similarly covid-19 will skew the numbers.

 
Trump is a genius. He convinced enough people that he’d be a good President that he got voted into office. All the while saying dumbass shit and making fun of people with disabilities, saying he could shoot somebody in downtown NYC and his supporters would still support him, degrading women, etc. Pretty genius.


I’ve voted for both parties, voted for W both times, voted for Obama in 08, Romney in 12 (I couldn’t stand Obama by then after how he acted at the memorial service for the 5 Dallas cops that were murdered), and didn’t voted for either Trump or Hillary because I didn’t think either was fit for the office of the President. I don’t see myself voting for either Trump or Biden in November. For the last 3 years since Trump took office Washington has had their heads in their asses. Dems are too focused on fighting Trump, Trump is too worried about Twitter, his inflated ego, and fighting with the media, and the republicans are too worried about the dems taking over that none of the elected officials do their damn jobs.

I ultimately look at voting as “will this person and their ideals and beliefs help or hurt my profession as a cop?”

It says a lot more about everyone else IMO...

I always point to Jon McCain when I talk about this. Name me another person - Democrat, Republican, Independent, Pope - anyone that could in public and with no remorse whatsoever say that a war hero is not actually a war hero because he was captured and war heroes don't get captured. Let alone, a draft dodging asshole who in the past had the audacity to say he went through his own personal Vietnam just trying not to get an STD. He's still insulting the guy after his death and no one bats an eye. Had any other candidate ever said anything remotely similar to that they would have been run out of their own party and lost in a landslide in the primary, let alone general.
 

Wow, next thing you won't be able to buy a Big Gulp, cook with saturated fats, or send your young kid to the store for a pack of smokes and a six pack. Heck, they might make me wear a helmet when I go out on my Harley, or even wear a seat belt when I'm riding in the back seat of a car. Someday, there might be laws that won't allow a toy to be placed in a Happy Meal - I know that sounds crazy - or even a law that wouldn't let you keep a gun in your home.

When it comes to government knows best nanny state laws, it's tough to tell the fake news from the real news. Ayn Rand couldn't create a better straw man than what we now have on the books, and it probably wouldn't take her 950 pages to dissect it.
 
It says a lot more about everyone else IMO...

I always point to Jon McCain when I talk about this. Name me another person - Democrat, Republican, Independent, Pope - anyone that could in public and with no remorse whatsoever say that a war hero is not actually a war hero because he was captured and war heroes don't get captured. Let alone, a draft dodging asshole who in the past had the audacity to say he went through his own personal Vietnam just trying not to get an STD. He's still insulting the guy after his death and no one bats an eye. Had any other candidate ever said anything remotely similar to that they would have been run out of their own party and lost in a landslide in the primary, let alone general.

John McCain was a bad person, regardless of his service to this country. He hurt a lot more people than he helped. Go read about him, he was an ugly man, and not just because of his foreign policy. Look deeper. Trump probably could have used more tactful language, but the one thing he is appreciated for is speaking his mind and being real with you. He doesn't sugarcoat it. And yes, you are correct, it's sad the lowest common denominator in this country and how idiotic our society has become and can be. It just keeps sinking lower and lower.
 
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