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If you are at deaths door, what have you got to loose. This is information we need. Why can't the media find out these statistics. Other than the bone head that took the fish tank cleaner there are no statistics published. I see individuals posting success on Twitter and Facebook but nothing official. Makes me skeptical of all information.

The info is out there for what we have done so far. Mostly anecdotal but one actual study has shown it is not a cure.

Run down of a bunch of info (I do not have a way to read them all)

Possibly not a cure/treatment

Testing ongoing

Calls for people to join studies
 
This disease started in December. Creating a vaccine or drug to treat a disease takes months or even years. Right now there isn't enough data on hydroxychloroquine's impact on the disease (when and why it works or doesn't work). The FDA has given approval to use the drug but that doesn't mean it will cure the disease. Their approval indicates that it shouldn't do harm.

The doctors administering the drug are a little busy to write up detailed notes on each patient. Clinical trials have not been performed (this is where typical review of success or failure is established).

It likely started in November.
 
I've mentioned before the enemy that is China. Here is how they've manipulated the World Health Organization.




World Health Coronavirus Disinformation
WHO’s bows to Beijing have harmed the global response to the pandemic.

By The Editorial Board
April 5, 2020 5:28 pm ET

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World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus at the WHO headquaters in Geneva.
PHOTO: FABRICE COFFRINI/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

The coronavirus pandemic will offer many lessons in what to do better to save more lives and do less economic harm the next time. But there’s already one way to ensure future pandemics are less deadly: Reform or defund the World Health Organization (WHO).

Last week Florida Senator Rick Scott called for a Congressional investigation into the United Nations agency’s “role in helping Communist China cover up information regarding the threat of the Coronavirus.” The rot at WHO goes beyond canoodling with Beijing, but that’s a good place to start.

The coronavirus outbreak began in Wuhan, China, sometime in the autumn, perhaps as early as November. It accelerated in December. Caixin Global reported that Chinese labs had sequenced the coronavirus genome by the end of December but were ordered by Chinese officials to destroy samples and not publish their findings. On Dec. 30 Dr. Li Wenliang warned Chinese doctors about the virus, and several days later local authorities accused him of lies that “severely disturbed the social order.”

Taiwanese officials warned WHO on Dec. 31 that they had seen evidence that the virus could be transmitted human-to-human. But the agency, bowing to Beijing, doesn’t have a normal relationship with Taiwan. On Jan. 14 WHO tweeted, “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.” The agency took another week to reverse that misinformation.

On Jan. 22-23 a WHO emergency committee debated whether to declare Covid-19 a “public health emergency of international concern.” The virus already had spread to several countries, and making such a declaration would have better prepared the world. It should have been an easy decision, despite Beijing’s objections. Yet director-general Tedros Ghebreyesus declined and instead traveled to China.

He finally made the declaration on Jan. 30—losing a week of precious time—and his rhetoric suggests the trip to Beijing was more about politics
than public health. “The Chinese government is to be congratulated for the extraordinary measures it has taken,” he said. “I left in absolutely no doubt about China’s commitment to transparency.”

A University of Southampton study suggests the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% had China moved to contain the virus three weeks sooner. Yet Dr. Tedros gushed that Beijing had set “a new standard for outbreak response.” He also praised the speed with which China “sequenced the genome and shared it with WHO and the world.” China didn’t do so until Jan. 12.

On Jan. 30 Dr. Tedros also said that “WHO doesn’t recommend limiting trade and movement.” President Trump ignored the advice and announced travel restrictions on China the following day, slowing the spread of the virus. U.S. progressive elites echoed WHO and criticized Mr. Trump. WHO didn’t declare the coronavirus a pandemic until March 11.

Not that any of this has prompted much soul-searching. Alluding to China, WHO official Michael Ryan said last week, “We need to be very careful also to not to be profiling certain parts of the world as being uncooperative.” Beijing touted the remarks, as it has other WHO statements.

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This record is tragic but not surprising. Much of the blame for WHO’s failures lies with Dr. Tedros, who is a politician, not a medical doctor. As a member of the left-wing Tigray People’s Liberation Front, he rose through Ethiopia’s autocratic government as health and foreign minister. After taking the director-general job in 2017, he tried to install Zimbabwe dictator Robert Mugabe as a WHO goodwill ambassador.

China inevitably gains more international clout as its economy grows. But why does WHO seem so much more afraid of Beijing’s ire than Washington’s? Only 12% of WHO’s assessed member-state contributions come from China. The U.S. contributes 22%. Americans at WHO generally are loyal to the institution, while Chinese appointees put Chinese interests first or they will suffer Beijing’s wrath.

China’s influence over WHO has been organized and consistent, whereas the U.S. response has been haphazard. Washington needs a quarterback to lead the fight against Chinese dominance at WHO and other international organizations. Yet the State Department’s Bureau of International Organization Affairs lacks a political appointee.

The U.S. will have allies in an effort to reform WHO. A frustrated Japanese deputy prime minister called WHO the “Chinese Health Organization.” British Prime Minister Boris Johnson reportedly is rethinking U.K.-China ties over China’s lack of candor about the virus.

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Congress should investigate how WHO performed against the coronavirus and whether its judgments were corrupted by China’s political influence. Of all international institutions, WHO should be the least political. Its core mission is to coordinate international efforts against epidemics and provide honest public-health guidance.

If WHO is merely a politicized Maginot Line against pandemics, then it is worse than useless and should receive no more U.S. funding. And if foreign-policy elites want to know why so many Americans mistrust international institutions, WHO is it.
 
I've thought about posting these tweet for about a week, just never got around to it.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom will end up resigning soon.

On Jan. 14 WHO tweeted, “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.” The agency took another week to reverse that misinformation.

 
Alabama got the stay at home/shelter in place order suspiciously quickly after Ivey said that she was leaning towards not doing it. So...who made that decision? Probably not her
 
@It Takes Eleven several days ago I pointed to that when this whole "not a fast enough response" flew in the face of "not listening to doctors" when the WHO was publishing what they were.

It's easy to see why a lot are taking this seriously as well as those who are looking at it being sensationalized.

The stories about deaths being attributed to this when it appears it isn't the primary cause?

I found this to be an interesting move. An estimate, based on ... a lot of wiggle room there.

 
^^ part of that is due to where you get your news from.

Even the POTUS downplayed this early on. Thus causing others to follow. I'm of the opinion he has mismanaged this, even to this day. Still feels like he's playing political games with Governors, when he should be taking the high road. He's arguably the most powerful personal on the planet, he should have been ahead of this much earlier. I'm not trying to turn this into a political debate either. I'd rather this thread stay on point.

My belief the entire time is we just didn't have enough data early on to compare this to the flu. I'm still of the opinion we still don't have enough data.

I don't see us going back to a normal life until we're able to test for antibodies.

And China has flat out lied.
 
There is no proof whatsoever that hydroxychoroquine works.
Fixed it for you
Wall Street Journal
These Drugs Are Helping Our Coronavirus Patients
The evidence is preliminary on repurposing two treatments. But we don’t have the luxury of time.
By
Jeff Colyer and Daniel Hinthorn
March 22, 2020 1:50 pm ET

A flash of potential good news from the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic: A treatment is showing promise. Doctors in France, South Korea and the U.S. are using an antimalarial drug known as hydroxychloroquine with success. We are physicians treating patients with Covid-19, and the therapy appears to be making a difference.

Washington Examiner
OPINION
Dr. Oz: Hydroxychloroquine shows real promise against coronavirus
by Dr. Mehmet Oz & Akshay Syal
| April 03, 2020 01:38 PM

Here is an article at Time Magazine that is very informative

Time Magazine & John Hopkins
 
Fixed it for you
Wall Street Journal
These Drugs Are Helping Our Coronavirus Patients
The evidence is preliminary on repurposing two treatments. But we don’t have the luxury of time.
By
Jeff Colyer and Daniel Hinthorn
March 22, 2020 1:50 pm ET

A flash of potential good news from the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic: A treatment is showing promise. Doctors in France, South Korea and the U.S. are using an antimalarial drug known as hydroxychloroquine with success. We are physicians treating patients with Covid-19, and the therapy appears to be making a difference.

Washington Examiner
OPINION
Dr. Oz: Hydroxychloroquine shows real promise against coronavirus
by Dr. Mehmet Oz & Akshay Syal
| April 03, 2020 01:38 PM

Here is an article at Time Magazine that is very informative

Time Magazine & John Hopkins

There is no clinical proof. If there was Dr. Fauci would be reporting it.
 
Per the presser last night, they Fed is buying hydroxychloroquine in large quantities with plans to send it out to the high impact areas.

Certainly seems promising, this is as of 20th March.

 
There is no clinical proof. If there was Dr. Fauci would be reporting it.

It's anecdotal "proof." At this point, we need anything that points to a positive. Until there are formal clinical analyses conducted, we won't know if it helps, who it helps or how it helps.
 
It's anecdotal "proof." At this point, we need anything that points to a positive. Until there are formal clinical analyses conducted, we won't know if it helps, who it helps or how it helps.

I agree. Several doctors and medical experts have explained many people recover quickly from the virus so if they get this med during recovery there is no proof that it's from the med or just the immune system beating back the virus.
 
^^ part of that is due to where you get your news from.

Even the POTUS downplayed this early on. Thus causing others to follow. I'm of the opinion he has mismanaged this, even to this day. Still feels like he playing political games with Governors, when he should be taking the high road. He's arguably the most powerful personal on the planet, he should have been ahead of this much earlier. I'm not trying to turn this into a political debate either. I'd rather this thread stay on point.

My belief the entire time is we just didn't have enough data early on to compare this to the flu. I'm still of the opinion we still don't have enough data.

I don't see us going back to a normal life until we're able to test for antibodies.

And China has flat out lied.

Again, I will post this link to The New England Journal of Medicine. Dr. Fauci and two other doctors collaborated on this article. Written and published on February 28, 2020. President Trump relies on Dr Fauci for information and guidance. Perhaps he should not. I don't think Dr Fauci can be trusted any more than the NWO. Please, at least read the third paragraph of the article.

 
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Again, I will post this link to The New England Journal of Medicine. Dr. Fauci and two other doctors collaborated on this article. Written and published on February 28, 2020. President Trump relies on Dr Fauci for information and guidance. Perhaps he should not. I don't think Dr Fauci can be tristed any more than the NWO. Please, at least read the third paragraph of the article.


I'm not sure I'd enjoy a trist with either but I agree...

 
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