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The only numbers I believe in is the survival rate
which is 99.8 for most folks.
Curious why you believe this number but not any others?

BTW I am somewhere in the middle on masks so not one of these masks cures all or that they have no effect. I think they help some. Maybe it reduces how much of the virus you exhaust which could keep another person from getting as sick. Complete speculation.

I think is is manageable at a macro level as evidence by sports. I said early on we may not get the true story except through sports as long as they were willing to not politicize it and they had a desire to make it work and they have.

With that said, I have friends who have gotten it. Most have successfully gotten past it. Unfortunately I did have an elderly Aunt who was in a nursing home that got it and did not make it. For those that have lost someone these numbers do not mean much.
 
I don't believe in the mask.
On a slightly different subject...

"Winter" weather has hit a little early this year and we spent a few days with some pretty brisk, cold wind. I believe wearing a gaiter has made that weather more comfortable; certainly cuts out on inhaling cold wind while walking or biking.

I'm ready for summer.
 
Curious why you believe this number but not any others?

BTW I am somewhere in the middle on masks so not one of these masks cures all or that they have no effect. I think they help some. Maybe it reduces how much of the virus you exhaust which could keep another person from getting as sick. Complete speculation.

I think is is manageable at a macro level as evidence by sports. I said early on we may not get the true story except through sports as long as they were willing to not politicize it and they had a desire to make it work and they have.

With that said, I have friends who have gotten it. Most have successfully gotten past it. Unfortunately I did have an elderly Aunt who was in a nursing home that got it and did not make it. For those that have lost someone these numbers do not mean much.


Sir, I am relying on public source information for the survival rate %. Which by all accounts is even much higher, if you take into account all
the false positive tests for which I have only seen estimates for, but no reliable numbers.

Also not taken into account, are the numbers of people who die WITH c-19 from the numbers who die FROM c-19. There is a huge difference there.
The CDC itself, has estimated rather recently, that the % of deaths From c-19 is somewhere around 6% of all listed c-19 deaths.

To arrive at the 99.8%, I rely on others math skills for which I don't have many. My understanding is you take the total number of listed deaths,
divide by the total number of listed positive c-19 test and there you have it. Of course, the % numbers are broken down by age groups.

I do not believe in the c-19 test, because? According to my research, the c-19 virus is yet to be isolated, meaning? Scientist, doctors and researchers have yet find it, to see it, but yet develop a test to find in people, the virus for which they have not isolated. For a better understanding of how the testing is done, I will add the link below for the second time, that explains, in my opinion and others, that the test is bogus.

This article was written by Celia Farber and published on the uncoverdc.com website on April 7, 2020. A rather lengthy read, but worth it.

 
I do not believe in the c-19 test, because? According to my research, the c-19 virus is yet to be isolated, meaning? Scientist, doctors and researchers have yet find it, to see it, but yet develop a test to find in people, the virus for which they have not isolated.
Asking sincerely not trying to be a pain, how is there a vaccine if that is the case?

BTW I to believe the there are false positives I just have no idea how that breaks down. I also believe many more have had it than reported but were never tested so does it even out some? No idea how to prove or disprove it either way.
 
Its here now 😉

No doubt. Notice the excessive sales pitches to get vaccinated?

I've read that a significant number of health care providers are saying NO to the vaccine. That's interesting.

I'm not sure where I stand on it at this point. Something wife and I've talked about a few times.

I'm certainly not anti vaccine.

We visit her parents monthly. That would be the reason I'd get it.
 
No doubt. Notice the excessive sales pitches to get vaccinated?

I've read that a significant number of health care providers are saying NO to the vaccine. That's interesting.

I'm not sure where I stand on it at this point. Something wife and I've talked about a few times.

I'm certainly not anti vaccine.

We visit her parents monthly. That would be the reason I'd get it.
I never would have thought it could have happened this quick. I was thinking early to mid 2022 at the earliest. The jury will be out for awhile. I may be required to get it for work. That of course will depend on if my employer can actually make it a requirement. They were able to require us to tell them if we travelled on our personal time and then quarantine for 2 weeks thereafter, so I'm pretty certain that they can require the vaccine. I'm a tad nervous.
 
I never would have thought it could have happened this quick. I was thinking early to mid 2022 at the earliest. The jury will be out for awhile. I may be required to get it for work. That of course will depend on if my employer can actually make it a requirement. They were able to require us to tell them if we travelled on our personal time and then quarantine for 2 weeks thereafter, so I'm pretty certain that they can require the vaccine. I'm a tad nervous.

Yeah, impressed honestly. But also makes me wonder what they didn't do.

I'd get it if work requires it. I can wfh, but I prefer being in the office and keeping work and home separate. Too many years I've brought work home. I'm no longer that person. I see these 20 and 30 year olds doing this knowing they'll burn out soon.
 
Asking sincerely not trying to be a pain, how is there a vaccine if that is the case?

BTW I to believe the there are false positives I just have no idea how that breaks down. I also believe many more have had it than reported but were never tested so does it even out some? No idea how to prove or disprove it either way.

We are all in this weird world together, trying to learn and make sense of what is going on in our world. You sir, are in no way a pain to me, if in fact you are only trying to understand the 'why' of what is really going on.

First, I don't have all the answers, just a hell of a lot of questions, for which answers are hard to come by.

Why are there vaccines? I have a general understanding of why there are vaccines. Am I smart enough, or do I have the vocabulary to be able
correctly inform you or others? Probably not, but I will give you an over view of what I believe are some of the reasons for the fast tracking
of the vaccines. Generally speaking, vaccines are an attempt to eradicate some disease, infections from virus or maybe some other maladies.
Vaccines in general are made partly of the very disease or virus they are trying to eradicate. To stimulate your immune system.

How is there a vaccine if that is the case? Damn good question. Since the c-19 virus has not been isolated, and is not a living organism,
(no virus is alive), how are the vaccines being formulated? I don't know anyone, nor have I been able to find anything through my research,
to give reasonable answers. Though, I have learned that some, if not all contain cells from aborted human fetuses. Sickening, right? But
what else are in these C-19 vaccines? I cannot ,as yet, confirm the vaccines contain cell and gene altering chemicals. Which can and have
caused a variety of side effects, including Bell's Palsy and infertility, and I would guess a variety of others. It is believed by a great many,
parents in particular, that some vaccines has caused Autism in in their children. God and the makers of vaccines are the only ones who know
what all chemicals they contain.

Why did President Trump "fast track" a vaccine. I think he believed that it was a way to calm or lessen fears of all us citizens as a way to
not worry about catching the virus. But with the MSM and Democrats whipping him at every opportunity, I don't think he has obtained his
desired outcome. He has been beaten up, even about treatments, some of which, (HCQ in particular, maybe others) have been dogged by the
CDC, the NIH and dr Fauci in particular, and not made available to the public by prescription from their doctor. Only recently, has the CDC
made HCQ available for the treatment of the virus. Even though that drug is basically harmless and has been in use for around 60 tears.

What can I say about good ole boy Bill Gates and his foundation? Not one good damn thing. Why is he in the vaccine business? You would think
with all his billions, how much more money does he need? Prestige? Gimme a break. He's as crooked as a dog's hind leg. Always has been.
Ego much? That's a big part of it in my opinion. Humanitarian? That's how He wants to be viewed, remembered. Who appointed him Saviour? It has been reported in some circles, that he was adding some sort of tracking into the vaccines he is financing. He has provided many millions of dollars and even built new laboratories for some of at least 7 pharmaceutical companies and he is also involved with may be 16 in all. In my opinion, he wants to be a leading figure in the Great Reset. Personal tracking for everyone on the planet, under the guise of a vaccine to to keep us safe from a virus that Has Not been isolated or duplicated. A vaccine that can cause great harm. What are the ingredients in this pudding? It doesn't taste good.
Dr Fauci and others have already came out and said that you can still catch the virus After vaccination. You will still need to wear a mask, stay in lock down and keep your distance. Not much of a vaccine if you ask me. But the good doctor has always spoken from all sides of his mouth, depending on who he is speaking to and what objective he is trying to accomplish. He needs to go away.

Below is a link to a short article about Dr Fauci and ineffective vaccines, published yesterday, 1/1/21, on The Gateway Pundit.

 
We are all in this weird world together, trying to learn and make sense of what is going on in our world. You sir, are in no way a pain to me, if in fact you are only trying to understand the 'why' of what is really going on.

First, I don't have all the answers, just a hell of a lot of questions, for which answers are hard to come by.

Why are there vaccines? I have a general understanding of why there are vaccines. Am I smart enough, or do I have the vocabulary to be able
correctly inform you or others? Probably not, but I will give you an over view of what I believe are some of the reasons for the fast tracking
of the vaccines. Generally speaking, vaccines are an attempt to eradicate some disease, infections from virus or maybe some other maladies.
Vaccines in general are made partly of the very disease or virus they are trying to eradicate. To stimulate your immune system.

How is there a vaccine if that is the case? Damn good question. Since the c-19 virus has not been isolated, and is not a living organism,
(no virus is alive), how are the vaccines being formulated? I don't know anyone, nor have I been able to find anything through my research,
to give reasonable answers. Though, I have learned that some, if not all contain cells from aborted human fetuses. Sickening, right? But
what else are in these C-19 vaccines? I cannot ,as yet, confirm the vaccines contain cell and gene altering chemicals. Which can and have
caused a variety of side effects, including Bell's Palsy and infertility, and I would guess a variety of others. It is believed by a great many,
parents in particular, that some vaccines has caused Autism in in their children. God and the makers of vaccines are the only ones who know
what all chemicals they contain.

Why did President Trump "fast track" a vaccine. I think he believed that it was a way to calm or lessen fears of all us citizens as a way to
not worry about catching the virus. But with the MSM and Democrats whipping him at every opportunity, I don't think he has obtained his
desired outcome. He has been beaten up, even about treatments, some of which, (HCQ in particular, maybe others) have been dogged by the
CDC, the NIH and dr Fauci in particular, and not made available to the public by prescription from their doctor. Only recently, has the CDC
made HCQ available for the treatment of the virus. Even though that drug is basically harmless and has been in use for around 60 tears.

What can I say about good ole boy Bill Gates and his foundation? Not one good damn thing. Why is he in the vaccine business? You would think
with all his billions, how much more money does he need? Prestige? Gimme a break. He's as crooked as a dog's hind leg. Always has been.
Ego much? That's a big part of it in my opinion. Humanitarian? That's how He wants to be viewed, remembered. Who appointed him Saviour? It has been reported in some circles, that he was adding some sort of tracking into the vaccines he is financing. He has provided many millions of dollars and even built new laboratories for some of at least 7 pharmaceutical companies and he is also involved with may be 16 in all. In my opinion, he wants to be a leading figure in the Great Reset. Personal tracking for everyone on the planet, under the guise of a vaccine to to keep us safe from a virus that Has Not been isolated or duplicated. A vaccine that can cause great harm. What are the ingredients in this pudding? It doesn't taste good.
Dr Fauci and others have already came out and said that you can still catch the virus After vaccination. You will still need to wear a mask, stay in lock down and keep your distance. Not much of a vaccine if you ask me. But the good doctor has always spoken from all sides of his mouth, depending on who he is speaking to and what objective he is trying to accomplish. He needs to go away.

Below is a link to a short article about Dr Fauci and ineffective vaccines, published yesterday, 1/1/21, on The Gateway Pundit.

BTW my gut has always said something does not add up in all of this from day 1. I am not implying conspiracy theories etc... but a lot does not pass the smell and common since test. I am very careful in what material I read and from what source it comes from. Way to many slanted sources out there. Which means almost all of them.

This is why I am looking for something like sports that does not have a political fight to win in this. They are motivated to make it work. Seeing how it is and was managed throughout the year and the effectiveness of those methods is the real litmus test for me. You can see it with the mask, Coach Saban was certainly very disciplined in how he managed this and still got it. My take away is what I said earlier, the mask help but do not eliminate. My interpretation of what I observed from the sports season and around my community.
 
BTW my gut has always said something does not add up in all of this from day 1. I am not implying conspiracy theories etc... but a lot does not pass the smell and common since test. I am very careful in what material I read and from what source it comes from. Way to many slanted sources out there. Which means almost all of them.

This is why I am looking for something like sports that does not have a political fight to win in this. They are motivated to make it work. Seeing how it is and was managed throughout the year and the effectiveness of those methods is the real litmus test for me. You can see it with the mask, Coach Saban was certainly very disciplined in how he managed this and still got it. My take away is what I said earlier, the mask help but do not eliminate. My interpretation of what I observed from the sports season and around my community.
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The sports world, pro and amateur, are setting their rules by individual conferences, following the guidelines set forth by the CDC and the NIH which is run by "which way is the wind blowing" Dr Fauci, who happens to be setting the policy for us all.

All of the MSM is owned and run by 6 organizations. They all repeat the same word for word falsehoods, half truths or down right lies. They have an agenda. They are the propaganda arm of the deep state and other one world government instigators. The MSM, rightfully, believe, that if they repeat the same song and dance every day, 24-7, to their viewers, it becomes truth in their mind. I am and always have been the type of person that wants to know the what, when, where and how of most every thing that effects my personal life. Simply stated, you cannot get the truth from the TV.
Television has turned a vast majority of people into, essentially zombies.

It is ,for me, like looking at situations as a large jigsaw picture puzzle. With many pieces that fit and many that don't. Right smack in the middle of that puzzle is a very large piece, the MSM. There is a large government piece, there is a large piece I can label as corrupt politicians. Along with a
large piece I can label as deep state and a large piece that has a question mark on it and represents the financiers, most of which their names will never be revealed. It is and can be very difficult to determine which smaller pieces fit your puzzle. Some look like they fit but do not have a place in your picture puzzle. It can take a great deal of time finding the most likely, most logical pieces to begin to form a clear picture. Over time, if you really want to have a clear picture, you have to put your trust into some other types of news sources. Some are legit, some are not. Listen to or read what they say, then keep your eyes open to what has happened. Who was correct in their reporting? That's how you know who to put your trust into. Like I already said, it can take a lot of time to find enough true fitting pieces to your puzzle to begin to form a clear picture of what is really going on.
Imagine a picture of The Mona Lisa cut into a jigsaw puzzle. You don't have to have all the pieces to realize it is a picture of Mona Lisa. Now,
I am not insinuating all of life's mysteries are as simple as recognizing a famous painting. Nor, am I saying that I have the answers for this c-19
virus, or that I have everything in my life figured out and settled. Far, far from it, I assure you.

You are correct when you say there is slanted information, half truths and down right lies. Like I already said, read and listen to as much information as you can, then over time, see which sources come closest to the truth. I only have a high school education, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.
I am not in the click as they say, not in any groove. I have one person that I trust any thing that he tells me. I was fortunate to have parents that taught me right from wrong, and to stay away from trouble makers, to seek out the truth and shun liars.
Time tells all.
 
BTW flu and cold have been virtually wiped out

possibly because everything is being reported as covid
When you truly isolate and more working from home, people not working or less people out at restaurants or shopping of course the normal colds/flu etc... will be reduced. Even deaths due to cars will be less since not as many people are out on the road. To me that is the common sense part of this that does add up.
 
When you truly isolate and more working from home, people not working or less people out at restaurants or shopping of course the normal colds/flu etc... will be reduced. Even deaths due to cars will be less since not as many people are out on the road. To me that is the common sense part of this that does add up.
I don’t dispute the common sense aspect of that argument but if colds and flu are virtually nonexistent then why hasn’t covid abated drastically rather than the inverse as being reported?
 
I don’t dispute the common sense aspect of that argument but if colds and flu are virtually nonexistent then why hasn’t covid abated drastically rather than the inverse as being reported?
Some of those things that do not add up as part of this.... Is this virus really that much more contagious than all others? Maybe it is but again does not pass the common sense part.
 
What common sense are y'all talking about. Saving lives because less cars on the road ain't common sense. Ruining business ain't common sense. We lost enough profit in 2020 to pay 2 employees salary. We are ready for a back to work common sense. Y'alls living in common senseless.
 
What common sense are y'all talking about. Saving lives because less cars on the road ain't common sense. Ruining business ain't common sense. We lost enough profit in 2020 to pay 2 employees salary. We are ready for a back to work common sense. Y'alls living in common senseless.
Nothing I was saying is about what is normal or should be or to make light of the impacts on peoples lives. I was saying IF you shut everything down it is common sense that there will be less deaths due to car accidents and/or flu etc... The ruining of businesses and impact on peoples ability to make a living if you shut down is common sense (that does not mean it is ok). If you shut things down people are going to lose their businesses and jobs. I was not trying to make light of the impacts of shutting things down. Sorry if that is how it came across.
 
Nothing I was saying is about what is normal or should be or to make light of the impacts on peoples lives. I was saying IF you shut everything down it is common sense that there will be less deaths due to car accidents and/or flu etc... The ruining of businesses and impact on peoples ability to make a living if you shut down is common sense (that does not mean it is ok). If you shut things down people are going to lose their businesses and jobs. I was not trying to make light of the impacts of shutting things down. Sorry if that is how it came across.
I agree with you but I am stunned that our country has allowed our government to dictate what we do about preventing catching this disease. Mask don't work. "Common sense" tells me that. Social distancing does work but it is not sustainable for long term. There is going to be future diseases and we just need to get our lives back to normal. Herd immunity might be the best way but too many politicians and scaredy cats don't agree. South Dakota has stayed open. Why does that work there and not in New York. Probably social distancing but the politicians have ruined attempts to make common sense decisions.
 
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