planomateo
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Don't forget that Converse and Hurley are also owned by Nike.
What makes this even more asinine is the fact that Betsy Ross never owned a single slave.
Also, this...
What makes this even more asinine is the fact that Betsy Ross never owned a single slave.
Also, this...
You mean patriots that love their flag and anthem?Whether I agree with the sentiment or not, the whole point wasn't "Betsy Ross had slaves." His point was it was a flag that was flown during slavery so many people see it as a symbol of slavery. I think it's silly personally but I could not care less whether or not Nike makes a shoe with a stupid flag or not. If people weren't so obsessed with flags and anthems, none of this would matter.
You mean patriots that love their flag and anthem?
Nike may just be in the controversy business these days.
And the kids around here don't seem fazed.
I have to ask here, Josh. How do you know what his point was when all he'd done (as of Saturday when you posted this) was send out a Tweet quoting (rather, mischaracterizing) Douglas's speech?His point was it was a flag that was flown during slavery so many people see it as a symbol of slavery
Why on earth would I listen to Saban and his views on politics and take his view with more weight than that of the one Josh supports, or any Bob, Dick, or Harry out there?Are we listening to coach Saban?
Why on earth would I listen to Saban and his views on politics and take his view with more weight than that of the one Josh supports, or any Bob, Dick, or Harry out there?
Hell, what's even more confusing are the times you've questioned what Saban has said about football—a subject he knows far more about than you, me, or anyone else on the Internet—but now you're pushing the notion we should listen to Saban about the political atmosphere? Listen to something that's not in his wheelhouse any more than it's in your's or mine?
Betsy Ross was a quaker and was anti-slavery herself.
I have to ask here, Josh. How do you know what his point was when all he'd done (as of Saturday when you posted this) was send out a Tweet quoting (rather, mischaracterizing) Douglas's speech?
What I believe you're saying is "I think his point is." He certainly hasn't put out a consistent message in my view.
There's no statement from Nike in that piece; just a reference to the WSJ article.No, I'm going by what Nike says was his reasoning for suggesting they pull it.
Nike Pulls Betsy Ross 'Flag' Sneakers After Colin Kaepernick Intervenes: See All the Twitter Reactions
There was a lot of confusion and outrage this week when Nike quietly dropped plans for a sneaker [...]popculture.com
There's no statement from Nike in that piece; just a reference to the WSJ article.
On Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Nike had dropped the call after receiving a call from the company's sponsored athlete Colin Kaepernick. The activist reportedly advised the company to drop the planned shoe, calling the flag an "offensive symbol because of its connection to an era of slavery." This was not entirely accurate, it soon turned out. It was not Kaepernick himself who decided that the flag was offensive, but white supremacist groups around the nation. Kaepernick merely pointed out to Nike that radical organizations like Identity Evropa, an avowed white supremacist group, had used the flag to symbolize a time when slavery was legal.It appears that Kaepernick warned the company he works privately that the Betsy Ross flag was already being co-opted by domestic terrorists. Still, as the story spread online many assumed or inferred that Kaepernick himself had decided that the flag was now offensive.This sparked a cultural and symbolic argument that shows no signs of slowing or stopping just yet, and it is only getting uglier. Kaepernick is already a figure of contention for his NFL protests, which many interpreted as anti-police, anti-military and anti-American. Now that he is attached to this decision from Nike, he is more controversial than ever.
I've seen the same groups adopt the OK hand symbol. Does that make me a racist if I use this?So I don't hang with the extreme and dangerous hate groups, even though I have been known to ride a Harley, so my simple question is, does the white supremacist, skinheads, white nazis officially embrace the Betsy Ross Flag? If so, why wouldn't black and white decent people be offended by their mere existence?