🏈 I realize that I am probably going to anger my share of Utes

[SkinyUte]

...and you might want to consider that BYU had 419 yards and over 200 yards rushing against you...and had 6 turnovers with five interceptions. Whatever else we do, I can guarantee you we will not turn the ball over 6 times.

If BYU's offensive line is your defense that you have played against good offensive lines, you might want to go ahead and pack it in. Their line is not as good, and they ran all over you.

Those BYU stats are very misleading. The defensive gameplan that day was geared entirely towards shutting down their potent passing attack (they have the #1 yardage receiver in the country, after all), so obviously the run defense was going to suffer as a result.

Why BYU chose not to exploit that (and whether or not Utah would have adjusted) is an entirely different discussion.

So we should expect John Parker Wilson to throw for 400 yards...he did hit Tennessee for 360 last year.

Gotcha.

I'd be shocked if that's not what the Utah coaching staff is aiming for. Do everything in our power to stop the run, man up on the receivers, and make JPW beat us with his arm. I know you think there's a huge advantage if we go that route, but I tend to think it will significantly even out the game. As I've said in other threads, a lot of it will come down to the Smith/Jones matchup. If Jones can get lose, we're screwed. If Smith can contain him, then it gets interesting.

 

[Guest]

...and you might want to consider that BYU had 419 yards and over 200 yards rushing against you...and had 6 turnovers with five interceptions. Whatever else we do, I can guarantee you we will not turn the ball over 6 times.

If BYU's offensive line is your defense that you have played against good offensive lines, you might want to go ahead and pack it in. Their line is not as good, and they ran all over you.

Those BYU stats are very misleading. The defensive gameplan that day was geared entirely towards shutting down their potent passing attack (they have the #1 yardage receiver in the country, after all), so obviously the run defense was going to suffer as a result.

Why BYU chose not to exploit that (and whether or not Utah would have adjusted) is an entirely different discussion.

So we should expect John Parker Wilson to throw for 400 yards...he did hit Tennessee for 360 last year.

Gotcha.

I'd be shocked if that's not what the Utah coaching staff is aiming for. Do everything in our power to stop the run, man up on the receivers, and make JPW beat us with his arm. I know you think there's a huge advantage if we go that route, but I tend to think it will significantly even out the game. As I've said in other threads, a lot of it will come down to the Smith/Jones matchup. If Jones can get lose, we're screwed. If Smith can contain him, then it gets interesting.

Its no secret what opposing defenses try to do against us...because it is no secret what we will try to do on offense. Smith v/s Jones will be an interesting match up no doubt. Smith is older, but not any more experienced at the position. As good as Florida's secondary is, they could not stop him. Since he has gotten used to the speed of the college game, he is hard to handle.

Love your sig.

 

[TerryP]

Its no secret what opposing defenses try to do against us...because it is no secret what we will try to do on offense. Smith v/s Jones will be an interesting match up no doubt. Smith is older, but not any more experienced at the position. As good as Florida's secondary is, they could not stop him. Since he has gotten used to the speed of the college game, he is hard to handle.

Love your sig.

Just to add a bit to that...

UF had Julio covered well during our game. Very well, in fact. It was a testament to the combination of JP and JJ we had the success we did in that game. Heck, they were essentially double-teaming Jones if you look at it under the light of rolling their safety over the top.

 

[SkinyUte]

Its no secret what opposing defenses try to do against us...because it is no secret what we will try to do on offense. Smith v/s Jones will be an interesting match up no doubt. Smith is older, but not any more experienced at the position. As good as Florida's secondary is, they could not stop him. Since he has gotten used to the speed of the college game, he is hard to handle.

I'm not so sure I agree about Jones vs. UF. Take away his one big reception (on which the UF defenders took some bizzare tackling angles), and he only had 4 catches for 60 yards and no TD's for the rest of the game. I think Utah coaches will take that line any day, and my guess is that our secondary coaches will be poring over every last second at that film. After Whit gets off the phone with Urban, of course. :wink:

Love your sig.

Thought you guys might appreciate that.

 

[Guest]

Its no secret what opposing defenses try to do against us...because it is no secret what we will try to do on offense. Smith v/s Jones will be an interesting match up no doubt. Smith is older, but not any more experienced at the position. As good as Florida's secondary is, they could not stop him. Since he has gotten used to the speed of the college game, he is hard to handle.

I'm not so sure I agree about Jones vs. UF. Take away his one big reception (on which the UF defenders took some bizzare tackling angles), and he only had 4 catches for 60 yards and no TD's for the rest of the game. I think Utah coaches will take that line any day, and my guess is that our secondary coaches will be poring over every last second at that film. After Whit gets off the phone with Urban, of course. :wink:

Do the math.

If a wide receiver has 60 yards receiving per game for 12 games, that is 720 yards...not too shabby on a run-first team. 5 catches in one game is above his season average (3.92).

Talking to Urban will not help. Honestly, any good coach should be able to formulate a game plan. Meyer has bigger fish to fry than doing Whittingham's job for him. Its like Mike Tyson said though - everyone has a plan until they get hit. You may be the Buster Douglas in this game, but that means your hope of winning is that we come into the game unmotivated, fat, and lazy. With Saban running our program, that is not likely.

As good as Smith is, I don't see him being able to cover Jones one on one.

 

[SkinyUte]

I'm not saying 4 for 60 yards is horrible, but it's hardly dominating either. I just think the Utah coaches would be very pleased if JJ ended up with that sort of final stat line.

The Urban thing was a joke, btw (based on Coach Whittingham's "I'm calling Urban on the way home" comment on Sunday).

 

[TerryP]

I'm not saying 4 for 60 yards is horrible, but it's hardly dominating either. I just think the Utah coaches would be very pleased if JJ ended up with that sort of final stat line.

The Urban thing was a joke, btw (based on Coach Whittingham's "I'm calling Urban on the way home" comment on Sunday).

You have to take those stats in context...

One strike to Jones is going to make safeties crowding the box move back. That's the impact that 60 yds in receptions had on the game.

In all honesty, like I've said before on this subject, if I were your coaching staff I'd be more concerned with covering the TE's.

All of this may be moot if 8 in the box can't stop the run, then you move to 9 in the box and still can't stop the run...

We'll know how that is going to end up with a few signs in the 1st half. If we are getting a little success in the 1st half, the 2nd half is where I see your defense wearing down. That's when it's the 2's that are stopping the run, not the 1's.

 

[Guest]

I'm not saying 4 for 60 yards is horrible, but it's hardly dominating either. I just think the Utah coaches would be very pleased if JJ ended up with that sort of final stat line.

The Urban thing was a joke, btw (based on Coach Whittingham's "I'm calling Urban on the way home" comment on Sunday).

Not dominating, but you threw out the 64 yard catch 5 for 124 is dominating.

He did make it, and it did count. Can I throw out the 11 yard pass on 4th down against TCU with 1:30 left in the game? What happens if I do that?

The 22 yard TD run on the next play was pretty nice, too. Based on the quality of opposition, I would say that UF has a better rushing defense.

I don't know that it will matter though. I think we will run for 250+ and pass for about the same.

You schemed to take away BYU's passing game, and they still passed for over 200 yards - and ran for 200. If you scheme to take away our running game, we will pass for a lot...and still get our rushing yards.

Tebow was the reason we lost to Florida. The guy is amazing - and there is only one of him...and he plays for Florida.

 

[Guest]

Re: In my opinion

your TE's will be the deciding factor in the game. If they get a number of yards, it will keep our defense off balance and you will be able to run and pass. I really don't look for your WR's to do much that will hurt us (they may gain yards, but not long TD's), but good TE's can be extremely dangerous.

One of many deciding factors. The #2 receiver on our team is a tight end.

Like I have been saying, this is not a good match up for Utah. The Utes are a good team, and would give a lot of BCS big dogs a hard time...but we are not one of them.

So which is it? You started this thread by saying SEC dreck like Arkansas could beat Utah, now you're saying Utah is a good team and would give a lot of BCS big dogs a hard time. Which is it?

Where is my TROOOOOLLLLBGONE....

 

[SoCalPatrick]

Re: In my opinion

your TE's will be the deciding factor in the game. If they get a number of yards, it will keep our defense off balance and you will be able to run and pass. I really don't look for your WR's to do much that will hurt us (they may gain yards, but not long TD's), but good TE's can be extremely dangerous.

One of many deciding factors. The #2 receiver on our team is a tight end.

Like I have been saying, this is not a good match up for Utah. The Utes are a good team, and would give a lot of BCS big dogs a hard time...but we are not one of them.

So which is it? You started this thread by saying SEC dreck like Arkansas could beat Utah, now you're saying Utah is a good team and would give a lot of BCS big dogs a hard time. Which is it?

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Its about matchups. Arkansas would give some BCS teams a difficult time. They did beat LSU. I think they would out-Utah, Utah.

We will just pound them senseless.

So now it's about matchups?

You put your foot in your mouth and got caught. Deal with it.

 

[RollTideinGA]

The Utes have us beat considerably in every statistical category on special teams except for punt returns. Javier needs to have a great game.

Thats not true. Our defensive statistics bury theirs.

Defense vs Defense
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/headTo...tatsId2=94&statsType2=Defense&statsType=Team&

Offense vs Offense
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/headTo...tatsId2=94&statsType2=Offense&statsType=Team&

 

[Guest]

The Utes have us beat considerably in every statistical category on special teams except for punt returns. Javier needs to have a great game.

Thats not true. Our defensive statistics bury theirs.

Tsunami meant only on special teams.

 

[rolltyroll]

guys, Utah is a solid team. Alabama is a great team. The score will be close in the first half, like 17-10. We run away with this one in the fourth quarter, 38-17. Roll Tide.

 

[Guest]

Re: In my opinion

your TE's will be the deciding factor in the game. If they get a number of yards, it will keep our defense off balance and you will be able to run and pass. I really don't look for your WR's to do much that will hurt us (they may gain yards, but not long TD's), but good TE's can be extremely dangerous.

One of many deciding factors. The #2 receiver on our team is a tight end.

Like I have been saying, this is not a good match up for Utah. The Utes are a good team, and would give a lot of BCS big dogs a hard time...but we are not one of them.

So which is it? You started this thread by saying SEC dreck like Arkansas could beat Utah, now you're saying Utah is a good team and would give a lot of BCS big dogs a hard time. Which is it?

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Its about matchups. Arkansas would give some BCS teams a difficult time. They did beat LSU. I think they would out-Utah, Utah.

We will just pound them senseless.

So now it's about matchups?

You put your foot in your mouth and got caught. Deal with it.

My, aren't you pompous. I guess that is a southern california thing.

I cannot help it if you are incapable of comprehending my point, but if I were you I would drop the attitude. Since the first post I made regarding Utah, I have been addressing specific match-ups.

This is one of the most laid back and tolerant message boards around (striving for quality without over-moderation), but trolling comments like yours will push buttons. We talk football here.

I am not like some of the posters on here - I will not sugar coat game discussion to make you feel good. There are 5-6 teams in the SEC that would beat Utah fairly handily. A couple more who would be close and might pull it out. Some of you confuse respect with kissing up. I can respect the work of your coaches and players, as well as the accomplishment of winning the MWC. That does not mean that I consider you to be more than a speed-bump on Jan 2.

Back to your comments...

You are a guest here. This is not your forum. Deal with it - or go back to Utefans. Most Utes have been respectful and friendly. It is my suggestion that you follow their lead - otherwise you might find a foot somewhere else.

 

[SoCalPatrick]

Re: In my opinion

your TE's will be the deciding factor in the game. If they get a number of yards, it will keep our defense off balance and you will be able to run and pass. I really don't look for your WR's to do much that will hurt us (they may gain yards, but not long TD's), but good TE's can be extremely dangerous.

One of many deciding factors. The #2 receiver on our team is a tight end.

Like I have been saying, this is not a good match up for Utah. The Utes are a good team, and would give a lot of BCS big dogs a hard time...but we are not one of them.

So which is it? You started this thread by saying SEC dreck like Arkansas could beat Utah, now you're saying Utah is a good team and would give a lot of BCS big dogs a hard time. Which is it?

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Its about matchups. Arkansas would give some BCS teams a difficult time. They did beat LSU. I think they would out-Utah, Utah.

We will just pound them senseless.

So now it's about matchups?

You put your foot in your mouth and got caught. Deal with it.

My, aren't you pompous. I guess that is a southern california thing.

I cannot help it if you are incapable of comprehending my point, but if I were you I would drop the attitude. Since the first post I made regarding Utah, I have been addressing specific match-ups.

This is one of the most laid back and tolerant message boards around (striving for quality without over-moderation), but trolling comments like yours will push buttons. We talk football here.

I am not like some of the posters on here - I will not sugar coat game discussion to make you feel good. There are 5-6 teams in the SEC that would beat Utah fairly handily. A couple more who would be close and might pull it out.

Sorry, but pompous is really believing as many as eight SEC teams could beat Utah. You wrote the book on pompous with that remark and I will call you out on it, especially when an SEC team fighting for that No. 8 spot was defeated AT HOME by a Mountain West team that finished 8th and had one of the worst offenses in the country.

Your comments aren't game discussion, they're unfounded elitism. Especially your earlier claim that JPW is a better quarterback than Brian Johnson, based on NFL Draft "projections" There's no evidence whatsoever to back that up. None. It's also a part of "game discussion" that you've said very little about. You know the gig is up for 'Bama if you have to have JPW win the game for you.

Here's more game discussion: Outside of Julio Jones, not a single WR in your rotation would see meaningful minutes at Utah.

Utah has you totally smoked in the kicking game as well. So unless we completely crap our pants and turn the ball over a ton, Bama isn't the kind of team that will put up 21 points on your in five minutes and leave you gasping for air. You couldn't blow out Tulane and Kentucky, yet you expect to do so to Utah? Thanks for the laughs.

That translates into a close game heading into the fourth quarter. We've come from behind to defeat two Top 25 teams this year. The first time Bama encountered a similar situation should still be fresh in your mind to know Utah has you trumped in this area as well.

 

[srollins]

Sorry, but pompous is really believing as many as eight SEC teams could beat Utah. You wrote the book on pompous with that remark and I will call you out on it, especially when an SEC team fighting for that No. 8 spot was defeated AT HOME by a Mountain West team that finished 8th and had one of the worst offenses in the country.

Your comments aren't game discussion, they're unfounded elitism. Especially your earlier claim that JPW is a better quarterback than Brian Johnson, based on NFL Draft "projections" There's no evidence whatsoever to back that up. None. It's also a part of "game discussion" that you've said very little about. You know the gig is up for 'Bama if you have to have JPW win the game for you.

Here's more game discussion: Outside of Julio Jones, not a single WR in your rotation would see meaningful minutes at Utah.

Utah has you totally smoked in the kicking game as well. So unless we completely crap our pants and turn the ball over a ton, Bama isn't the kind of team that will put up 21 points on your in five minutes and leave you gasping for air. You couldn't blow out Tulane and Kentucky, yet you expect to do so to Utah? Thanks for the laughs.

That translates into a close game heading into the fourth quarter. We've come from behind to defeat two Top 25 teams this year. The first time Bama encountered a similar situation should still be fresh in your mind to know Utah has you trumped in this area as well.

I guess the Utes are just going to cram it down our throats then... too bad, I was really hoping for a good game.

Oh well, maybe next year we won't be so unfortunate to be as out-classed on the field in whatever bowl game we might manage to eek out.

 

[imalive1459]

Bama isn't the kind of team that will put up 21 points on your in five minutes and leave you gasping for air.

Maybe not quite that fast, but ask Tommy Bowden how he feels about that.

 

[Guest]

Bama isn't the kind of team that will put up 21 points on your in five minutes and leave you gasping for air.

Maybe not quite that fast, but ask Tommy Bowden how he feels about that.

Or Mark Richt...

And Utah may have 2 players on the entire team that would start at any position for UGA.

Maybe.

 

[Guest]

Bama isn't the kind of team that will put up 21 points on your in five minutes and leave you gasping for air.

Maybe not quite that fast, but ask Tommy Bowden how he feels about that.

Or Mark Richt...

And Utah may have 2 players on the entire team that would start at any position for UGA.

Maybe.

Maybe Three that would start in the SEC

 

[cjaytch]

Re: In my opinion

Sorry, but pompous is really believing as many as eight SEC teams could beat Utah. You wrote the book on pompous with that remark and I will call you out on it, especially when an SEC team fighting for that No. 8 spot was defeated AT HOME by a Mountain West team that finished 8th and had one of the worst offenses in the country.

Ok i dont want to be part of a flame war, but you obviously havent watched alot of SEC football. I wouldn't say 8 teams, but i would wager Utah would not beat Bama or UF and they would most likely not beat UGA, LSU, or Ole Miss. They would have a tough time with South Carolina or Arkansas. They would beat Vandy, UK, Miss St, Auburn and UT.

You know the gig is up for 'Bama if you have to have JPW win the game for you.

JPW CAN win the game for us if necessary. See Arkansas last year and LSU this year. We had trouble passing on Florida. No offense, but your secondary isnt florida.

Here's more game discussion: Outside of Julio Jones, not a single WR in your rotation would see meaningful minutes at Utah.

Even if this is true... So?

Utah has you totally smoked in the kicking game as well.

again, so? Bama is solid in the kicking game. Had problems at the beginning of the year due to playing alot of freshmen in the kicking game. It has improved dramatically as the season went on. Javy is a legit threat, Fitzgerald has improved greatly and Tiffin can hit kicks. If you are counting on your kicking game to win it for you...

So unless we completely crap our pants and turn the ball over a ton, Bama isn't the kind of team that will put up 21 points on your in five minutes and leave you gasping for air.

You need to check out the UGA, Clemson, and Arkansas games. They were over at halftime. If you D isn't big, strong, and VERY physical, they can put up points quick.

You couldn't blow out Tulane and Kentucky, yet you expect to do so to Utah? Thanks for the laughs.

And you guys couldnt blow out New Mexico and the worst Michigan team EVER. We caught Ky when their 1st string was still healthy. Their 1st string was pretty good. We also had a couple turnovers that made the game look close. Against Tulane, Smith was hurt and yes, the offense had a bad game but the game was never in doubt.

That translates into a close game heading into the fourth quarter.

Not necessarily, you have to do something that so far only Ole Miss has done, shut down the Bama power running game. Your front 7 doesnt match up well agains Bama's O line.

We've come from behind to defeat two Top 25 teams this year. The first time Bama encountered a similar situation should still be fresh in your mind to know Utah has you trumped in this area as well.

Which situation are you referring to? Bama was leading UF headed into the 4th. Again, you guys are good, but youre NOT UF.

So what if you guys came from behind to beat 2 teams. Bama has trailed for what 30 min the whole season? Most all of that came in the LSU and Florida game.