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teams attacking the middle, underneath the back four/five—isn't any different than it was back in 2007. It's the weak part of this defense (which is one reason I've never gone apocalyptic when we've seen them do so.)
Not saying this isn't and issue but can you explain how that accounts for almost 300 yards rushing? To me it doesn't. The issues at the line of scrimmage explain that and as the game progressed fatigue. Early and throughout the game the DL not getting off blocks, not getting lined up before the snap, not staying in their assigned gaps, fatigue and getting physically whipped explains that to me. No excuse for allowing that many yards on the ground. I had accepted the scheme would give up some passing yardage throughout the years but I am beating the rushing defense drum as what is truly the most glaring difference.
 
Kiffin did exactly what Clemson did to us while he was offensive coordinator against Deshaun Watson. Watson smoked our defense that game until we finally put Rashaan Evans in there to get some pressure and keep him from picking a part our defense. It also allowed us to ghost him when he decided to run. We adjusted. We never sent that pressure against Ole Miss. One damn stop would have meant a shift in the game in my opinion.

Najee scoring and not fumbling changes that game too. I felt the whistle should have been blown as forward momentum had stopped, his back was turned as he was falling to his butt.

and there was big difference between top team Clemson and bottom team Mississippi...(bottom for las 20 years anyway)...
And Deshaun Watson was in class with Cam, Burrow, etc....ole ms QB is not

but moving on...

najee fumbling.... the refs really let plays go on....longer it seems ...since pushing has become legal... but one fumble in bama career....cant fault him much...

going to be-a late night Saturday......8 with cbs....commercials.....promos....

wanna really hear something bad...i watched some of texas- ok game....
Those werethe worse announcers ihave ever ever ever heard.... I couldn’t believe any could be worse than Gary n vern.... but they were 100x worse... sounded like the Texas football network...
 
Not saying this isn't and issue but can you explain how that accounts for almost 300 yards rushing? To me it doesn't. The issues at the line of scrimmage explain that and as the game progressed fatigue. Early and throughout the game the DL not getting off blocks, not getting lined up before the snap, not staying in their assigned gaps, fatigue and getting physically whipped explains that to me. No excuse for allowing that many yards on the ground. I had accepted the scheme would give up some passing yardage throughout the years but I am beating the rushing defense drum as what is truly the most glaring difference.

I think you attribute a lot of that to the missed tackling. I saw William Anderson back there a lot, and in position, and he had a handful of missed tackles that I recall. I can't even begin to recall all of the other missed tackles. It was all on the edge if I remember correctly. Not much up the middle, but they killed our left side with those runs off left end.
 
I think you attribute a lot of that to the missed tackling. I saw William Anderson back there a lot, and in position, and he had a handful of missed tackles that I recall. I can't even begin to recall all of the other missed tackles. It was all on the edge if I remember correctly. Not much up the middle, but they killed our left side with those runs off left end.

I think this pretty much nails the issue here... We are just not used to seeing so many missed tackles by a CNS program. Missed tackles are due to lack focus on technique either due to lack of contact/practice (COVID-19 is showing here), being out of position thus trying to get after the ball carrier, & fatigue...

Kiffin was going put our defense in positions to be out of position. He's just that good. But he has nothing to do with practice reps & fatigue.

How much of this is the impacts of no spring practice due to COVID-19? Its hard to say but since we still have a hang over from last year & there are defenses doing well this year this makes me suspect as to it all being about COVID-19.

However, I have real confidence in CNS... this defensive game just became "$hit through a tin horn II" & nobody is going to drive that point home more to his defense than him. Also, I do expect these guys to get full speed game shape. Lastly, I keep saying this, we need to do a better job of substituting against these high powered offenses. This refreshes players, gives more depth, slows down the offense, gives the DB's some time to catch their breath too, & it will give our defensive leader D Moses more time to assess & communicate. It is totally unacceptable if there is ANY time these high speed offenses substitute & we aren't. PERIOD. This happened several times Saturday & we even had a penalty for too many players on the field during substitution (that is a coaching issue). And CNS was pretty ticked off about it. I think this will be something he will force his staff to get this crap fixed.
 
Lastly, I keep saying this, we need to do a better job of substituting against these high powered offenses.

Absolutely!

My suggestion over the years was to put all the 2's in for 1-2 series' each half. And it would be easy to argue during the Ole Miss game that the 2's literally could not have looked any worse than the 1's.

I'm aware that's not exactly ideal, but IMO the goal should be for your D to have at lease "some gas" in the 4th quarter. For whatever reason, football has not gotten to the point where it's acceptable to sub for DB's the way they sub for DL's. I guess DB's are supposed to be in better shape, or maybe they are considered more important? To me, it's archaic when you consider how much running and chasing they're doing against the spread offenses for 4 quarters.

One way or another, there should be adjustments so that your most talented players can be on the field and with juice in the last 10 minutes. In our worst D performances, this is never the case. JMO
 
I believe some have forgotten how many DC's we have in Tuscaloosa at the moment.

Two things that stood out to me. Kiffin doesn't seem to chew ass on the sidelines, neither does Golding.
 
but....kiffin with his mediocre talent.....aint going to dominate a prepared and well coach D..
Ole Miss does not have mediocre talent.

Cite a player on their offensive skill positions groups that's had a bad game this season. Cite one that's not produced? Against SEC teams, remember?

We are talking about the 2020 season and I believe you're judging a team based on the past: not on what the team is producing right now. That offense is top notch.

That's not a defense of the defense. That's an acknowledgment to what they faced.

I tried, before the game, to caution this "it's Ole Miss" talk. With evidence and statistical reference to boot.

~[i[the accountant
 
Kiffin did exactly what Clemson did to us while he was offensive coordinator against Deshaun Watson. Watson smoked our defense that game until we finally put Rashaan Evans in there to get some pressure and keep him from picking a part our defense. It also allowed us to ghost him when he decided to run. We adjusted. We never sent that pressure against Ole Miss. One damn stop would have meant a shift in the game in my opinion.
That's an athlete vs scheme comparison.

Kiffin ran some variations on plays I hadn't seen before. Several times, in fact.
 
Ole Miss does not have mediocre talent.

Cite a player on their offensive skill positions groups that's had a bad game this season. Cite one that's not produced? Against SEC teams, remember?

We are talking about the 2020 season and I believe you're judging a team based on the past: not on what the team is producing right now. That offense is top notch.

That's not a defense of the defense. That's an acknowledgment to what they faced.

I tried, before the game, to caution this "it's Ole Miss" talk. With evidence and statistical reference to boot.

~[i[the accountant
Same u said vs Missouri

both will finish under 500

mediocrity at best
And I wouldn't brag " sec quality " talking D
Some pathetic D being played
 
Same u said vs Missouri

both will finish under 500

mediocrity at best
And I wouldn't brag " sec quality " talking D
Some pathetic D being played

To be fair, Mizzou did squat against the Alabama defense until garbage time. Mizzou went for 600 yards and 45 points vs LSU, and did that without their top 2 WRs.

Ole Miss has a great offense, Kiffin was very motivated and was at his best vs. Saban. That doesn't excuse the performance, but it is a real factor. This was Kiffin when he's uber-interested and when he is, he can put up genius performances. But he's not as consistent as Sarkisian, who fortunately is call ing the offense for Alabama.

The D will have to really shore up vs. UGA. It's also a better schematic matchup. This isn't a Baylor tempo offense. It's not a QB run threat by design (zone read) like Ole Miss, nor a backyard QB scramble offense like Corral was (not that Bennett can't run, but he's not near Corral in ability).
 
Same u said vs Missouri

both will finish under 500

mediocrity at best
And I wouldn't brag " sec quality " talking D
Some pathetic D being played

I think Ole Miss wins four more, and Mizzou at least three with probably the toughest schedule in the conference. And that's against a ten-game, conference-only schedule, mind you, which is an apples-to-oranges comparison with other seasons.
 
I think Ole Miss wins four more, and Mizzou at least three with probably the toughest schedule in the conference. And that's against a ten-game, conference-only schedule, mind you, which is an apples-to-oranges comparison with other seasons.

so puts ole ms at 5-5 plus bowl
Ws vs vandy. USCe. Miss state? ( that will be fun to watch. Maybe lsu is they dont get ship righted. Ark thi
Missouri at 4-6.
Ws vs USCe. Vandy. KY. Msu.


what i said losing. Should have said non winning seasons.
Puts them in the bunker

but EVERY ONE loves Kiffin now. Greaest mind ever!!!!!
 
Yes I'm concerned about the defense but I do not believe Lane is getting enough credit for having a great game plan and secondly, I will take a win whether it's 50-47 or 9-6. A win is a win is a win

Was thinking about this during the game the other night when it was a score fest. Saban and Bama beat Lane and the Vols 12-10 in 2009 and didn't score a single touchdown. That is just over 10 years ago, but is like a lifetime with how things have changed (just with the evolution of the offensive game that Kiffin and Saban have been a part of). Alabama was ranked #1 and beat an unranked Kiffin coached Vol team by 2 points without scoring a touchdown. After the game, it was a all smiles, not sitting around demanding the firing of an offensive coordinator. I get this is comparing apples to tennis shoes, but the irony wasn't lost on me late Saturday night when Alabama (and Ole Miss) couldn't buy a defensive stop.

Also, and this is just a memory lane aside, but while we all think of Cody and the block when the '09 Tennessee game is brought up... I'll always remember going to the game as the guest of RTB legend Bama Bo who passed away a few years ago of a heart attack. Nobody loved Bama more than him.
 
So you're saying Kiffin would have done the same to Clemson and Georgia had they been in that game last night? Both of them give up 48 points?
IMHO, At the end of the year, Ole Miss will have the 2nd best offensive stats in the SEC, even better than UF’s. I have a feeling CLK walked into a situation where the pieces just needed arranging. He’ll have a better than expected season.
 
Same u said vs Missouri

both will finish under 500

mediocrity at best
And I wouldn't brag " sec quality " talking D
Some pathetic D being played
No. I didn't say the same thing about Missouri. I said nothing of the sort (and we do have a function here for you to find where, if you choose to disagree here.)

Name one thing that Ole Miss, their offense, and coaching staff has one that's mediocre. You can't. Because, there isn't.
but EVERY ONE loves Kiffin now. Greaest mind ever!!!!!
As fast as the hyperbole train is moving I'm surprised you were able to catch up! 😈

Unless I've missed a comment, all that's been said on this forum is "he called a great game" and "he has a great offensive mind." None of these are in dispute.
 
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