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not being critical....everyone is entitled to their thoughts....and I respect that...
but i have mine also.... seems thats not ok ...with some...excluding your post ...sorry...
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not being critical....everyone is entitled to their thoughts....and I respect that...
but i have mine also.... seems thats not ok ...with some...excluding your post ...sorry...
I have no issues with your opinions and really haven't noticed anyone else have any either.
I do think you're distorting a few things here with your last post.
I don't see anyone happy with the defense yesterday. I'm not. But, I'm not one given to 'go the route' many choose. While the D had a bad day yesterday one can not take anything away from Lane and what he was able to accomplish. Hell, they were going so quickly within the 25 I have a hard time seeing anyone stopping them consistently. It was a well coached and called ball game.
We discussed the ST play (for one game, Auburn) time and time again. I told you last season it wasn't within the rules. And, lo and behold, we saw a clarification on that play from the NCAA rules committee just a couple of months ago. And yes, it wasn't legal in the first place much like their OL being 5-8 yards downfield on passing plays/RPO's. The Bobby Williams thing...a lot of misinformed fans.
It isn't a "I think Saban micromanages everything." It's an "I KNOW how he runs the program." I can't count the number of former assistants who have mentioned that very fact.
Let's take this whole thing and put it in a different light.
When I've seen Pitts (UF) do his thing never have thought "he sucks" when watching the defender. PItts is a hell of a player.
Back to Bama...same goes with us discussing Mond. People fretted about his legs. He's a good mobile QB but didn't tear up Bama as much as people suggested he did with his legs. He played a heck of a game against Bama as he did against UF. He's still has his consistency issues but that doesn't mean he shouldn't receive his due when it's deserved.
It's Sunday. I'm ready to move on to UGA because, no matter the tone of Bama fans today, that was a great win yesterday.
So you're saying Kiffin would have done the same to Clemson and Georgia had they been in that game last night? Both of them give up 48 points?
My concern is we got torched by Texas A&Mas well. Mond didn't need to run and they knew that because they attacked the middle of the field. We have a weakness in our system and it's hard to say it's the athlete.
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There would be a difference in points but to what degree we don't know. But yes, I believe they'd have the same type of success. In fact, I see it a lot like last season with LSU.
Against Bama, LSU's Burrow put up what...400 in the air, three TD's? I remember it was just under 560 yards of total offense. Won by 5.
Against UGA, it was just over 480 total and around 350 in the air as I recall. Won by 27.
Against Clemson it was almost 630 total, around 470 in the air. Won by what, 17 I think it was.
Those three games were the result of having the right play caller and the right quarterback. Ole Miss has a good combination there as well this season. It's not as good as Sark/Jones. Is it as good as Johnson/Trask? I'd say they're on par.
I do believe we'll see Ole Miss in the top two or three in a lot of categories in the SEC at the end of the year: total, scoring, and passing offenses.
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I think last night was completely different than aTm. We didn't allow Mond to run, but force him to throw under pressure. No sacks, but eight QBH and just 19 yards on eight carries. If he could've made a difference running it, he would've. And there was an extended garbage time. Over 40 percent of aTm's total yards came after they were down 42-17.
I agree, our LB's are slow to pick up crossing routes, and slower picking up RB flats and wheels. Throwback screens have been our nemesis, usually early in a game, for some time.
RTR,
Tim
I think last night was completely different than aTm. We didn't allow Mond to run, but force him to throw under pressure. No sacks, but eight QBH and just 19 yards on eight carries. If he could've made a difference running it, he would've. And there was an extended garbage time. Over 40 percent of aTm's total yards came after they were down 42-17.
I agree, our LB's are slow to pick up crossing routes, and slower picking up RB flats and wheels. Throwback screens have been our nemesis, usually early in a game, for some time.
RTR,
Tim
LSU was stacked with four and five star guys, so their talent was able to run with us, Georgia, and Clemson. Just like us when we scored in the 30's and 40's with Clemson. We are so good because we have the talent to outlast folks. Ole Miss has C level talent to our A level. If we can't stop that, we have zero shot at Clemson or Ohio State. Atleast that's my two cents.
We will beat Georgia because they have a quarterback that can't beat us, but I am excited to see our offense against their defense. I got scared last night thinking a missed or blocked extra point could have caused us to lose.
Yes, each possession last night, to me, felt like OT.
I guess you'd say the same thing about State vs LSU on talent level and we saw Leach scheme the hell out of that LSU defense.
Earlier today I mentioned the impact Kendall Briles has had on Kiffin. That's his dad's influence. At Baylor, there was a significant difference in talent vs the Big12 teams and we saw Briles scheme the hell out of those guys as well.
Have we forgotten what Kiffin was able to do with Blake?
@BamaFan334 BTW, do you recall what Ole Miss did to LSU last season? That was 620 or so in total offense and they're better this season.
I get it. I backed you earlier last week and expect 400-450 yards. Kiffin is no slouch and did very well with us. Corral was a Top 100 guy as well, so I expected some challenge. Bad snaps caused them the game, not us. I just didn't expect 650 and 48 points. I did not like our susceptibility against A&M either with their tight end.
To me it's less about Ole Miss and more about Alabama.
Until the last inconsequential drive, not 1 sack or forced TO. Ugh.
And even more alarming, like I said in my previous post - There wasn't 1 single play that "flashed". Not 1 time did it look like we had a talented player doing some talented shit. The only time I seriously said "good play" to myself was when Jobe had good coverage on a back shoulder fade in the endzone. Maybe I'm missed some others? That shouldn't be the highlight of an entire game on defense lol
So yeah, Kiffin did a great job. He's going to put up a lot of yards and points this season. But does that really stop the D from being able to dictate ANYTHING in an entire game? Does CNS and the D staff just say, "Welp, Lanes on his game today... Sucks for us"?? Is there no ability to counter punch with a roster full of 4/5 stars?
So to me it's not about Ole Miss... It's more so that the D has a bunch of NFL talent level guys who don't flash the talent. As a coach, that has to sound alarms... Because ultimately, using your talents is what allows a team to maximize potential.
Sorry don’t mean to wade into this conversation, but Alabama isn’t the only one with defensive woes. I’ve seen Auburn, LSU, and Florida all looking pretty rough on defense. Say what you will, but Bo Pelini, Kevin Steele, and Todd Grantham didn’t forget how to coach a defense up. I still hold firm that it’s the lack of spring/summer prep that’s hurt these teams. The execution of the defensive strategy needs to improve for Alabama and maybe I’m an optimist but I firmly believe they’ll get better as the season progresses. Elite level - probably not, but these season is unprecedented. If we’re fielding this same caliber of defense 8 or so games in, then I’d be calling for coaching changes. We can’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Let’s see what Golding can develop.
Just my two cents.
Just my two cents.
Saban said in his presser that it was like they had an answer to all our defensive sets. Maybe Kiffin knew what play to call when they saw our sets. I know they will work on that this week. If not the Jawja game will get real peachie.
To be more clear on the DL? Did we miss on some? I do not see any Jonathan Allens out there today.
@TerryP would you agree that tackling, gap control, eye control AND communications would improve things? That really is all we have at this point which seemed to me missing big time last night. You also say he has not made changes to D but he has from a personnel standpoint. Recruiting a different kind of player. Maybe they are running the same D and in the end maybe that has to change.
BTW you did not question my comment about us having a systemic issue which I assume means you agree with that part of the post
I've been pretty clear about that for two years now, have I not? I know I've mentioned it in the last day or so here.
We saw the adaptation on offense. It was needed with the way the game has evolved.
When Saban came to Bama in 2007 they were the only team running his style of defense. Now, 10 years later, we see it all across the conference. What they are dealing with now—teams attacking the middle, underneath the back four/five—isn't any different than it was back in 2007. It's the weak part of this defense (which is one reason I've never gone apocalyptic when we've seen them do so.)
Like the adaption on offense, there needs to be some on defense. How he would chose to go about that change? I don't know that he will. I don't know what direction he'd take.
One thing we do know. The offenses of today can take advantage of the match-ups the 3-4 creates. That said, they can against the 4-3 and 3-3-5 schemes as well.
--And, BTW, this revolves around another conversation as well: Charlie Strong. People seem to clamor for him and that's something I just don't get. His defense wasn't good at UofSC, or Florida, or Texas, or Louisville, or South Florida. It's literally a decades old scheme he runs. Do fans really want to see a guy take over a defense that hasn't coached a decent defense, has been out of the position for over a decade, and hasn't done well everywhere he's been?
Secondly, you may recall when he was DC under Zook at UF. When he was fired and Strong got the interim job he wasn't hired by Foley to take the reigns of the program. Strong went with the "I wasn't hired because of my race." Not merits, mind you, race. That's not my cup of tea especially knowing how well Foley ran that program.
Of course it's all speculation and opinion. That's why I said, "I believe."
But that's not a haphazard guess. Ole Miss returned all of their skill position guys and added a few more good ones for good measure. They did better against LSU last season than UGA in both yards produced and points. Their offense wasn't a joke last season and it's only improved this season.
We've both seen Kiffin tear apart a Clemson defense with his play calling. He's better now than he was when he was in Tuscaloosa. Where's the reason to doubt he'd have a lot of success against either team?
Simply put, there's too much recent history not to believe it to be true.
No...i don’t believe we have anything but differences in opinion stuff...didnt mean anything else...I have no issues with your opinions and really haven't noticed anyone else have any either.
I do think you're distorting a few things here with your last post.
I don't see anyone happy with the defense yesterday. I'm not. But, I'm not one given to 'go the route' many choose. While the D had a bad day yesterday one can not take anything away from Lane and what he was able to accomplish. Hell, they were going so quickly within the 25 I have a hard time seeing anyone stopping them consistently. It was a well coached and called ball game.
We discussed the ST play (for one game, Auburn) time and time again. I told you last season it wasn't within the rules. And, lo and behold, we saw a clarification on that play from the NCAA rules committee just a couple of months ago. And yes, it wasn't legal in the first place much like their OL being 5-8 yards downfield on passing plays/RPO's. The Bobby Williams thing...a lot of misinformed fans.
It isn't a "I think Saban micromanages everything." It's an "I KNOW how he runs the program." I can't count the number of former assistants who have mentioned that very fact.
Let's take this whole thing and put it in a different light.
When I've seen Pitts (UF) do his thing never have thought "he sucks" when watching the defender. PItts is a hell of a player.
Back to Bama...same goes with us discussing Mond. People fretted about his legs. He's a good mobile QB but didn't tear up Bama as much as people suggested he did with his legs. He played a heck of a game against Bama as he did against UF. He's still has his consistency issues but that doesn't mean he shouldn't receive his due when it's deserved.
It's Sunday. I'm ready to move on to UGA because, no matter the tone of Bama fans today, that was a great win yesterday.
but....kiffin with his mediocre talent.....aint going to dominate a prepared and well coach D.... and "no spring" or "stole the D signals" is a copout....4 weeks of fall and 3 games.... you got to be ready...
the D tackling is bad....D out of position through 3 games..not prepared with right personnel ( had 12-13 in one play and stil couldnt stop up the middle...)..hand tackling....not ready at snap...
i saw a lot vs missouri....but "they have great players"
but...7-8-9 to go...hopefully it will be corrected by Saturday....Saban can step in and correct all this...doesnthave to make a D coordinator change...but does have to fix by whatever way...
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I've been pretty clear about that for two years now, have I not? I know I've mentioned it in the last day or so here.
We saw the adaptation on offense. It was needed with the way the game has evolved.
When Saban came to Bama in 2007 they were the only team running his style of defense. Now, 10 years later, we see it all across the conference. What they are dealing with now—teams attacking the middle, underneath the back four/five—isn't any different than it was back in 2007. It's the weak part of this defense (which is one reason I've never gone apocalyptic when we've seen them do so.)
Like the adaption on offense, there needs to be some on defense. How he would chose to go about that change? I don't know that he will. I don't know what direction he'd take.
One thing we do know. The offenses of today can take advantage of the match-ups the 3-4 creates. That said, they can against the 4-3 and 3-3-5 schemes as well.
--And, BTW, this revolves around another conversation as well: Charlie Strong. People seem to clamor for him and that's something I just don't get. His defense wasn't good at UofSC, or Florida, or Texas, or Louisville, or South Florida. It's literally a decades old scheme he runs. Do fans really want to see a guy take over a defense that hasn't coached a decent defense, has been out of the position for over a decade, and hasn't done well everywhere he's been?
Secondly, you may recall when he was DC under Zook at UF. When he was fired and Strong got the interim job he wasn't hired by Foley to take the reigns of the program. Strong went with the "I wasn't hired because of my race." Not merits, mind you, race. That's not my cup of tea especially knowing how well Foley ran that program.
Of course it's all speculation and opinion. That's why I said, "I believe."
But that's not a haphazard guess. Ole Miss returned all of their skill position guys and added a few more good ones for good measure. They did better against LSU last season than UGA in both yards produced and points. Their offense wasn't a joke last season and it's only improved this season.
We've both seen Kiffin tear apart a Clemson defense with his play calling. He's better now than he was when he was in Tuscaloosa. Where's the reason to doubt he'd have a lot of success against either team?
Simply put, there's too much recent history not to believe it to be true.
Kiffin did exactly what Clemson did to us while he was offensive coordinator against Deshaun Watson. Watson smoked our defense that game until we finally put Rashaan Evans in there to get some pressure and keep him from picking a part our defense. It also allowed us to ghost him when he decided to run. We adjusted. We never sent that pressure against Ole Miss. One damn stop would have meant a shift in the game in my opinion.
Najee scoring and not fumbling changes that game too. I felt the whistle should have been blown as forward momentum had stopped, his back was turned as he was falling to his butt.
Agreed, that was a big momentum shift, but the D could've stopped them at 3rd and 12, 3rd and 27 and 4th and 5 on their possession.
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