🏀 Cecil Hurt not-so-subtly making the case for a MBB Coaching change

My view is simple. If we were executing well but loosing because we did not have the talent then there would be hope based on improved recruiting. As it stands better athletes playing in an undisciplined fashion would not improve the program. Coach Johnson is an excellent pro coach but has proven he can not coach talented but undisciplined players.

What does this say about the assistant coaches on his staff? What do they do at practice? After the 2006 season (as I recall it) Mal ask Mike Shula what his plan was for making the team better going forward (maybe replace the OC (himself) or the Haverty's furniture salesman. Mike had no plan for the most part. If Avery gets another year (I believe he will) then at least the AD should demand Johnson take a deep look into his staff and what they bring to the program.
 
So after signing a single flashy one-and-done, then
That class should have played a part in their decision to extend his contract (though that happening with any coach isn't abnormal.) And, to be fair, that class also included two pretty highly regarded kids in Reese and Petty.

If you'll recall, the extension was well received around college basketball and the Bama fan base: at the time. And, as I see it, it should have been.
 
So you're telling me the coaches at Ole Miss and Miss State have a 9 million dollar buyout?
A little more on how this buyout fits in the overall picture when compared to other schools.

In USA Today's listing of coaches salaries in basketball you'll find some of these contracts have their buyouts listed. It runs the gambit, but also goes to show that the terms signed with CAJ fit the market.

By running the gambit I'm referring to how some are structured: a new coach versus one who has been there for a while.

At the top of the list is Kentucky with a 25 million buyout through 4/1. Other SEC schools to note:

Georgia: 16 million.
South Carolina: 12 million
LSU: 10.5 million
Florida: 7 million
Auburn: 6 million.

Outside of the conference:
Virginia: 19.7 million
Ohio State: 16.9 million
Va Tech: 16.6 million (with rumors circulating about the possibility of A&M targeting Buzz Williams.)
Texas: 16.6 million
UNC: 8.8 million

As you can see, Bama is pretty well smack dab in the middle when it comes to the buyouts found for SEC coaches.

More importantly consider what we're looking at when it comes to fans opinions: "We need to go hire a great coach." I get the sentiment, but if Bama were to hit the market this off-season what is the administration at UA looking at as far as a new contract. Well, considering Georgia's hire (Creen) and they're sitting at a 16 million buyout it's a safe assumption to say "Bama is looking at a buyout clause for a new coach that's at least equal to that." IF Bama chooses to pay what the market is driving.

Do they pay what the market demands? Unless you want to short change a new coach, and unless you want to leave the impression the administration is low balling coaches, yes. Most definitely we want the school to pay fair market value.
 
even though it aligns with the markets outside the SEC but certainly not within the SEC (avg is $10.3 M).
We don't know the figure that Kermit Davis has agreed upon for his buyout at Ole Miss. So, what the market is in the SEC with his arrival with clarify that number a little more. I didn't put the numbers together to get an average of SEC schools, but if it's indeed 10.3 million on average it puts Avery's contractual buyout in different terms (other than stupid.)

While 16 million may seem stupid for UGA they did go out and get a 'name coach.' I've seen a lot Bama fans want to do the same thing, go get a name coach.

There's the circular argument. For Bama to go out and get a 'name coach,' we're looking at the administration being in the same boat. A 'name coach' is going to demand a buyout that's on par with the leading programs in the NCAA.

So, we're left with "go big" for the name, but "go small" with the contract?

To say the least, in my view there's a lot of things being misconstrued when people are discussing the basketball program. OR, and I'm leaning this way a lot as well, a lot of people saying things that just don't work.
 
First of all, I apologize if I don't respond back to this thread, I assure you I am not ignoring the comments. I may be in the minority, but I think Avery needs to get another chance with the team next year, and he needs to start with his staff, figure out what needs to be changed. He needs to add someone who can create some point on offense and get maximum efforts out of the players. I'm not sure if we have that on the staff. I think there is a disturb pattern going on with Avery though. When he was coaching Nets... That team couldn't play defense to save their life. I often wondered if it was the players or the coach's inability to communicate with the players. Look back to when Mavericks fired him after players threated to call mutiny on the team if Cuban didn't fire Avery... There is a pattern there. Johnson can coach like nobody else, but I often wonder if he learned his lesson about relating to the players and communicate in an effective way. He has control issue and that doesn't always sit well with young players.

Should he come back and I think he will, he needs to make major changes... related to his strategy overall. I'm talking about practices, in game subs, know his rotations, etc. Make some adjustments... and get players to buy in and we would be okay. I don't think bringing in a new coach will solve anything. we would be right here in same spot in 3 years with same results.
 
JMO but Avery will return for one reason and that is the buyout is just too much money for the U of A to pay at this time. If in fact BB tickets are for the most part purchased by those wishing to get better football tickets then the finance issue might not be a problem while the actually butts in seats might. If you take off your Crimson glasses and the Bama off the uniform then you have to see this team isn't very good. Is it the staff or the players or a big combo of both?

The biggest question is what will be the buyout at this time next year?

The fanbase will give the U of A admin a clue how they feel with the attendance for this NIT game. I say less than 5K will make the game.
 
Does this team really want to play for Avery? I watched some of the other teams play this past weekend and many played smart and with energy and urgency. My guess is maybe not so much.
 
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UGA they did go out and get a 'name coach.'
I am friends with a big Indiana fan and he did not think very highly of Crean. Not sure a name only helps you win more games. My comment about stupid was how much higher UGA was paying above the SEC avg. As you say in that context CAJ's buy out is actually a little below the market.

I have been a CAJ fan but something is not right with this team. I never played BB formally so I certainly do not know all the fundamentals but it seems like a good dose of fundamentals and defense would only improve the team and the results on the basketball court.

Something we have not discussed is that Keys leaving did not help.
 
Something we have not discussed is that Keys leaving did not help.
Same with those talking about not having another ball handler right now outside of Kira...you don't see anyone talk about Jared Butler (wasn't cleared by UA.) Bama not having another is a concern. But, framing it like he hasn't recruited more ball handlers isn't accurate.

How much would another small forward have helped this season? That's an impossible question to answer.
 
I am friends with a big Indiana fan and he did not think very highly of Crean
Are they still looking back at Bobby Knight and wanting his clone? A return to what it was like in his tenure?

If so, and I certainly believe there's a strong possibility that's the case, they are in a very similar situations as a group of Bama fans who are wanting to return to the days of Wimp. I'd suggest the game has passed by both men.

On another note: Several weeks ago I heard Knight's health has really deteriorated. According to what I heard he's well past the early stages of dementia.
 
First of all, I apologize if I don't respond back to this thread, I assure you I am not ignoring the comments. I may be in the minority, but I think Avery needs to get another chance with the team next year, and he needs to start with his staff, figure out what needs to be changed. He needs to add someone who can create some point on offense and get maximum efforts out of the players. I'm not sure if we have that on the staff. I think there is a disturb pattern going on with Avery though. When he was coaching Nets... That team couldn't play defense to save their life. I often wondered if it was the players or the coach's inability to communicate with the players. Look back to when Mavericks fired him after players threated to call mutiny on the team if Cuban didn't fire Avery... There is a pattern there. Johnson can coach like nobody else, but I often wonder if he learned his lesson about relating to the players and communicate in an effective way. He has control issue and that doesn't always sit well with young players.

Should he come back and I think he will, he needs to make major changes... related to his strategy overall. I'm talking about practices, in game subs, know his rotations, etc. Make some adjustments... and get players to buy in and we would be okay. I don't think bringing in a new coach will solve anything. we would be right here in same spot in 3 years with same results.
You sir...didn’t watch much Bama roundball in March.....absolutely terrible bball IQ.....looked lost on court....gave games away with turnovers, free throws, poor stradegy, no motion, just decent players poorly coached
And not a first year HC with staff...this was 4th year...
Not downing you....just the facts...and i really like AJ. ....but I don’t believe UofA has commitment to bball ....so...
Just keep AJ for year 5.... stupid enough to keep Grant for another year ..
 
We have a thread about more or less the same thing. Ed O getting a raise!! Why? No one was coming to take him away!!! We had similar discussions about DCs when Tosh was relieved of duties and then departed for the Browns. We talked about who was a DC that was actually worth $2+ million a year, even though there are 4-5 that currently reside in that area. Only Venables seems to be deserving of that kind of paycheck. It is what the market is pushing. CAJ got the competitive pay and then an extension. Was it really worth it?
 
Are they still looking back at Bobby Knight and wanting his clone? A return to what it was like in his tenure?

If so, and I certainly believe there's a strong possibility that's the case, they are in a very similar situations as a group of Bama fans who are wanting to return to the days of Wimp. I'd suggest the game has passed by both men.

On another note: Several weeks ago I heard Knight's health has really deteriorated. According to what I heard he's well past the early stages of dementia.

Not sure it is return to Bobby Knight as much as Crean simply did not win enough games. This is a results oriented business. I do not blame Indiana fans for having higher expectations and not settling. That's my perception of why he was not happy with Crean.
 
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