šŸˆ Can we NOW all agree the NBA is a joke when it comes to societal and political issues? "Shut up, dribble, and stay in your lane" was offensive until

'65 Cobra said:
It magnifies the frightening ignorance so many have about the world and in this case China specifically. As is often the case, the most vocal are the least informed. China, as it has been for many decades, is a tyrannical state which freely murders and executes opposing voices, encamps millions in "detention" centers where they are tortured, and cultivates virtual slave labor where workers frequently die due to the abysmal working conditions. The "tyrant" in China is a political party as it has been since Chairman Mao. China is no better than Stalin's Russia - there's just more make-up on the pig. But money talks. And in this case, the NBA apparently has over 300 million fans over there, and the money is more important than the principle.
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There are more people in China who can speak English than the number of people who speak English in the U.S. That will give you an idea of how many people are in China.
 
I'm not an NBA defender... In fact the opposite.... But there is a difference between commenting on our Nation's issues and another Nation's issues. I think that should be kept in mind here when we talk about the actual players and coaches who are asked about opinions and comments on current events.

In terms of the actual league and Adam Silver I see that differently. JMO
 
TerryP said:
A snowflake is now defined by someone who supports democracy? That's the root here, Josh, and by your response am I to conclude you still don't know anything about what's going on over there?

Literally, we have a duplicitous and hypocritical NBA kowtowing to a murdering communist regime and you're choosing to take a side that's against those voicing frustration and contempt for their actions?

What really shocks me here is you're taking the defensive side to a discussion siding with a country who disagrees with everything you believe and espouse.

What gets me as well is a lot of those saying "athletes shouldn't be speaking on political issues" are saying such because those opinions voiced by said athletes aren't the most thought out of opinions. Some would, I dare say, rather have then be quiet than be exposed to their uninformed and often ridiculous view points.

We believe people should have the right to speak out on issues as long as it doesn't effect our paycheck- NBA.
We believe in democracy as long as it doesn't effect our TV partnerships- NBA.
We believe in human rights as long as it doesn't effect our income stream- NBA

You don't believe in anything- those watching the NBA and their stance in this story.

There is nothing more clear than the perversity found within the NBA circles at this point. They are telling their players, "shut up, dribble, and stay in your lane." That "chicken has come home to roost" and it's indefensible.
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Dude, read who I was responding to if you're gonna come at me like that.
 
Tidestalker said:
there is a difference between commenting on our Nation's issues and another Nation's issues. I think that should be kept in mind here when we talk about the actual players and coaches who are asked about opinions and comments on current events
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"Sweep around your own front door before" something something. That, to me, is the big difference between this situation and the NFL stuff with regard to athletes/sports figures speaking out on societal and political issues. It's not the same thing. You can't call the NBA hypocritical for being hesitant or refusing to officially takes sides and inserting themselves in another nation's problems when you begrudge those same people for speaking out on problems happening in their own country and communities. Which way do you want it because you can't have both?
 
BamaBoyJosh said:
Dude, read who I was responding to if you're gonna come at me like that.
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It's not what you were saying but to whom you were speaking? It's not "coming at you like that." It's the story, Josh, that I'm pointing to here.

I'm seeing the critics saying the NBA is putting their money over values. Is that a fair assessment? And we're talking about the same NBA who lectured Americans on their values?

If you will put yourself in similar shoes. How would you react if someone was lecturing you on your values only to turn around and take a similar stance as the NBA has done here. You wouldn't be characterized as a snowflake. You'd be known as someone standing up for what you believe.
 
TerryP said:
It's not what you were saying but to whom you were speaking? It's not "coming at you like that." It's the story, Josh, that I'm pointing to here.

I'm seeing the critics saying the NBA is putting their money over values. Is that a fair assessment? And we're talking about the same NBA who lectured Americans on their values?

If you will put yourself in similar shoes. How would you react if someone was lecturing you on your values only to turn around and take a similar stance as the NBA has done here. You wouldn't be characterized as a snowflake. You'd be known as someone standing up for what you believe.
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The person I was responding to didn't say anything about the NBA, he explicitly was talking about something else. I was explicitly responding to THAT. The snowflake comment was directed at people getting mad at others for voicing their opinions on topics they dont agree with, hence the "Shut up and dribble" stuff. I haven't derided a single person for voicing their opinion on China or the NBA.
 
TerryP said:
It's not what you were saying but to whom you were speaking? It's not "coming at you like that." It's the story, Josh, that I'm pointing to here.

I'm seeing the critics saying the NBA is putting their money over values. Is that a fair assessment? And we're talking about the same NBA who lectured Americans on their values?

If you will put yourself in similar shoes. How would you react if someone was lecturing you on your values only to turn around and take a similar stance as the NBA has done here. You wouldn't be characterized as a snowflake. You'd be known as someone standing up for what you believe.
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Again... Lecturing on OUR values. Wouldn't you at least agree its more appropriate to speak on something you are actually a part of... Paying citizen of our own country... As opposed to evaluating someone else's government & human rights related issues?

There is a significant difference when it comes to commenting on stuff that happens within our borders and somewhere else.
 
And if we really, really, really want to take it there... How many people that want NBA players to denounce the Chinese government are wearing shirts, walking in shoes, or using phones made in China? So how far does this moral outrage really go, and where does the coincidental irony end?

Like I said in a previous post - I can see why people would go at the NBA as an organization because of their direct connection and targeted marketing into China. But the players and Coaches I'm not so fast to denounce. Now do I find humor in watching Kerr & Pop stumble and mumble around it? Of course! I don't like those dudes. But I think they have a legit built in reason to sidestep it... Even though if they really wanted to do the right thing they could. I'll just take it for what it is... It's much easier to grandstand when the big crowd is on your side.
 
BamaBoyJosh said:
The snowflake comment was directed at people getting mad at others for voicing their opinions on topics they dont agree with, hence the "Shut up and dribble" stuff. I haven't derided a single person for voicing their opinion on China or the NBA.
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You see "topics they don't agree with" and I see "people who they don't believe are speaking earnestly." In this case there are a lot that fall into both groups.

I'd dare say if the "shut up and dribble" would have originally come from a different person, on a different network, the story would be read differently today.
 
Tidestalker said:
Again... Lecturing on OUR values. Wouldn't you at least agree its more appropriate to speak on something you are actually a part of... Paying citizen of our own country... As opposed to evaluating someone else's government & human rights related issues?

There is a significant difference when it comes to commenting on stuff that happens within our borders and somewhere else.
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Lecturing on OUR values. What did these lectures consist of? Think about this.

Gun violence is one. He's taken a social justice type of stand on this matter but calls it a "gray area" when millions are being murdered.
How minorities are treated is another. He's taken a social justice type of stand on this as well but it's a "gray area" when it comes to how minorities are treated elsewhere.

This is not a left vs right issue. It's not a progressive vs conservative issue. It's a human rights issue. It's a freedom issue. Human rights and freedom is a gray area when you're not living in the states?

Seriously, if you've got AOC and Cruz on the same side of a matter? What does that tell you? There couldn't be two polar opposites found.

Going back to something I said to Josh here ...
TerryP said:
"people who they don't believe are speaking earnestly."
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Is that someone you want lecturing you about your values?

Tidestalker said:
Even though if they really wanted to do the right thing they could.
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That's the crux of the matter, is it not?
 
TerryP said:
Lecturing on OUR values. What did these lectures consist of? Think about this.

Gun violence is one. He's taken a social justice type of stand on this matter but calls it a "gray area" when millions are being murdered.
How minorities are treated is another. He's taken a social justice type of stand on this as well but it's a "gray area" when it comes to how minorities are treated elsewhere.

This is not a left vs right issue. It's not a progressive vs conservative issue. It's a human rights issue. It's a freedom issue. Human rights and freedom is a gray area when you're not living in the states?

Seriously, if you've got AOC and Cruz on the same side of a matter? What does that tell you? There couldn't be two polar opposites found.

Going back to something I said to Josh here ...

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Is that someone you want lecturing you about your values?



That's the crux of the matter, is it not?
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I'm with you on all those points... Seriously. I just think mine are slightly better šŸ˜„
 
@Tidestalker, I've had very similar thoughts about the NBA for years. Their decision to start marketing/partnering with China just after Tiananmen Square was when the damn broke for me.

How does the old cliche run...better to be thought of a fool than to open your mouth and prove it? We're seeing that played out, aren't we?
 
TerryP said:
You see "topics they don't agree with" and I see "people who they don't believe are speaking earnestly." In this case there are a lot that fall into both groups.

I'd dare say if the "shut up and dribble" would have originally come from a different person, on a different network, the story would be read differently today.
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If it came from anyone, it would still be a bullshit comment but that it came from someone and a network that absolutely drools over any conservative celebrity that likes to talk about politics that mirrors those on that network made it all the more pathetic.
 
Oh Lebron...... Why not just say no comment?! This only reads half as uncomfortable as it sounds in the video.

"I don't want to get into a [verbal] feud with Daryl Morey but I believe he wasn't educated on the situation at hand and he spoke," James said before the Los Angeles Lakers played the Golden State Warriors at Staples Center in a preseason game. "And so many people could have been harmed not only financially, physically, emotionally, spiritually. So just be careful what we tweet and say and we do, even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech but there can be a lot of negative that comes with that too."
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LeBron: Morey 'misinformed' before China tweet

LeBron James said he believes Daryl Morey "wasn't educated" before sending out a tweet in support of antigovernment protesters in Hong Kong that damaged relations between China and the NBA.
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Tidestalker said:
Oh Lebron...... Why not just say no comment?! This only reads half as uncomfortable as it sounds in the video.



www.espn.com

LeBron: Morey 'misinformed' before China tweet

LeBron James said he believes Daryl Morey "wasn't educated" before sending out a tweet in support of antigovernment protesters in Hong Kong that damaged relations between China and the NBA.
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Sounds like he's the one not educated on the subject...

Clearly he's working on a trademark for the word dumbassary.

And still fails at clearing up the confusion. Remind me again, where is LeBron practicing. What a f'ing embarassment. Yet they want to get behind Kerr on AR15's.

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