šŸˆ Can we NOW all agree the NBA is a joke when it comes to societal and political issues? "Shut up, dribble, and stay in your lane" was offensive until

@BamaBoyJosh

I didn't figure you'd be in this thread by now...figured you'd be here around supper.

I came here wondering if Tim has been following this story. @It Takes Eleven

Some of the opinions voiced around the markets are laughable. Sad. Stupid.

Yes. We've screwed our country for the sake of one percentage point of inflation, each year, for the last fifteen years, at least. We're all to blame, I've enjoyed the cheap alternators and water pumps for my cars. For the sake of a race to the bottom, only focusing on this quarter's earnings, we've given away our manufacturing base to China, and they've stolen the recipe to much of our more sophisticated items. Trump's position to stand up to China is a good one, but I fear it's just bluster ahead of a mediocre agreement that will, of course, be tweeted as the best ever. Try to buy a nutritional supplement that's not made in China (they hide behind where it's bottled), or any after market auto part. I could go on. Without a concerted effort to diversify manufacturing, including moving a bit of it back here, we're screwed if we get into a shooting war.

Earlier this year, I got to spend a little time with a former ambassador giving a talk on the likelihood of China supplanting the United States as the world's premier power. He took a reasoned approach, concluding that they would not for two reasons. One, he believes (rightly, in my mind) that China is headed for depression of epic proportions once their growth slows. They're cooking their numbers now, gov't spending is keeping things buoyed and actual manufacturing is slacking. It will get worse, and they'll have to focus internally, much like the Soviets did. Second - and this is the one that Trump is screwing the pooch over - the U.S. has far more alliances and international friendships to keep it in good stead vs. the Chinese. By the ambassador's count, it was something like 200+ to 12. Trump's inexplicable abandonment of our allies in Syria will have long-term implications for U.S. relations abroad, and cracks are showing in our international reputation. This is my most concerning aspect of a Trump presidency, that he won't necessarily screw up our country, but our country's role in the world.

As to the specific issue, this is what an totalitarian regime does when it fears no consequence - rain fire on dissent, anyone or anything that gets out of line. Hong Kong is a visible example, and the NBA a more local one, but it's a drop in the bucket for the millions murdered by the communists in China. Personally, I place no responsibility on the players to speak up - they're as ill-informed as the average person staring into their phone to see how many likes they get a day. I place more responsibility on those who hold themselves out as adults in this situation - the NBA's cowardly response and censoring, ESPN's idiotic use of a state-sponsored imperialistic map, etc.

On a separate issue, I was watching Squawkbox earlier this week, and during an interview Dick's CEO said that they are the "largest purveyor of premium Nike merchandise in the nation". As if I needed another after the Second Amendment, that gave me a second reason to never darken their door.

RTR,

Tim
 
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Yes. We've screwed our country for the sake of one percentage point of inflation, each year, for the last fifteen years, at least. We're all to blame, I've enjoyed the cheap alternators and water pumps for my cars. For the sake of a race to the bottom, only focusing on this quarter's earnings, we've given away our manufacturing base to China, and they've stolen the recipe to much of our more sophisticated items. Trump's position to stand up to China is a good one, but I fear it's just bluster ahead of a mediocre agreement that will, of course, be tweeted as the best ever. Try to buy a nutritional supplement that's not made in China (they hide behind where it's bottled), or any after market auto part. I could go on. Without a concerted effort to diversify manufacturing, including moving a bit of it back here, we're screwed if we get into a shooting war.

Earlier this year, I got to spend a little time with a former ambassador giving a talk on the likelihood of China supplanting the United States as the world's premier power. He took a reasoned approach, concluding that they would not for two reasons. One, he believes (rightly, in my mind) that China is headed for depression of epic proportions once their growth slows. They're cooking their numbers now, gov't spending is keeping things buoyed and actual manufacturing is slacking. It will get worse, and they'll have to focus internally, much like the Soviets did. Second - and this is the one that Trump is screwing the pooch over - the U.S. has far more alliances and international friendships to keep it in good stead vs. the Chinese. By the ambassador's count, it was something like 200+ to 12. Trump's inexplicable abandonment of our allies in Syria will have long-term implications for U.S. relations abroad, and cracks are showing in our international reputation. This is my most concerning aspect of a Trump presidency, that he won't necessarily screw up our country, but our country's role in the world.

As to the specific issue, this is what an totalitarian regime does when it fears no consequence - rain fire on dissent, anyone or anything that gets out of line. Hong Kong is a visible example, and the NBA a more local one, but it's a drop in the bucket for the millions murdered by the communists in China. Personally, I place no responsibility on the players to speak up - they're as ill-informed as the average person staring into their phone to see how many likes they get a day. I place more responsibility on those who hold themselves out as adults in this situation - the NBA's cowardly response and censoring, ESPN's idiotic use of a state-sponsored imperialistic map, etc.

On a separate issue, I was watching Squawkbox earlier this week, and during an interview Dick's CEO said that they are the "largest purveyor of premium Nike merchandise in the nation". As if I needed another after the Second Amendment, that gave me a second reason to never darken their door.

RTR,

Tim

Chain's growth has slowed significantly and they're keeping a tight lip on this. Problem is they're the only country scaled and ready to work the way they work. India could be, but will take them years to get there. I'm not sure what POTUS's end game with China is.

Speaking of Nike, they pulled all Rockets product from their Chinese stores.
 
In fairness it's easy for any of us to talk tough about "taking a stand" when we aren't traveling over there to play exhibition games. These guys have the freedom to speak here but that regime in China would try to lock them up over there if they speak out while visiting there
 
The real takeaway here is that the NBA sucks, and watching pro basketball subtracts from your lifeā€™s meaning. At least thatā€™s what I was thinking.
 
In fairness it's easy for any of us to talk tough about "taking a stand" when we aren't traveling over there to play exhibition games. These guys have the freedom to speak here but that regime in China would try to lock them up over there if they speak out while visiting there


Yep! It was reported that all press conferences have been shutdown by the Chinese government. I saw it come across the crawler last night during the NC State/'Cuse game on ESPN.
 

"Irregardless is a word sometimes used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since the early twentieth century, though the word appeared in print as early as 1795. Most dictionaries list it as non-standard or incorrect usage, and recommend that "regardless" should be used instead."

Finding it in the dictionary does not mean that it is a word. You will also find ā€œdoodad,ā€ ā€œdojigger,ā€ ā€œfinagle,ā€ ā€œfuddy-duddy,ā€ and ā€œnummiesā€
 
"Irregardless is a word sometimes used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since the early twentieth century, though the word appeared in print as early as 1795. Most dictionaries list it as non-standard or incorrect usage, and recommend that "regardless" should be used instead."

Finding it in the dictionary does not mean that it is a word. You will also find ā€œdoodad,ā€ ā€œdojigger,ā€ ā€œfinagle,ā€ ā€œfuddy-duddy,ā€ and ā€œnummiesā€

Irregardless, it IS a word...
 
Butthurt snowflakes should move to China if they wanna be somewhere where athletes can't do anything but "shut up and dribble."
A snowflake is now defined by someone who supports democracy? That's the root here, Josh, and by your response am I to conclude you still don't know anything about what's going on over there?

Literally, we have a duplicitous and hypocritical NBA kowtowing to a murdering communist regime and you're choosing to take a side that's against those voicing frustration and contempt for their actions?

What really shocks me here is you're taking the defensive side to a discussion siding with a country who disagrees with everything you believe and espouse.

What gets me as well is a lot of those saying "athletes shouldn't be speaking on political issues" are saying such because those opinions voiced by said athletes aren't the most thought out of opinions. Some would, I dare say, rather have then be quiet than be exposed to their uninformed and often ridiculous view points.

We believe people should have the right to speak out on issues as long as it doesn't effect our paycheck- NBA.
We believe in democracy as long as it doesn't effect our TV partnerships- NBA.
We believe in human rights as long as it doesn't effect our income stream- NBA

You don't believe in anything- those watching the NBA and their stance in this story.

There is nothing more clear than the perversity found within the NBA circles at this point. They are telling their players, "shut up, dribble, and stay in your lane." That "chicken has come home to roost" and it's indefensible.
 
It magnifies the frightening ignorance so many have about the world and in this case China specifically. As is often the case, the most vocal are the least informed. China, as it has been for many decades, is a tyrannical state which freely murders and executes opposing voices, encamps millions in "detention" centers where they are tortured, and cultivates virtual slave labor where workers frequently die due to the abysmal working conditions. The "tyrant" in China is a political party as it has been since Chairman Mao. China is no better than Stalin's Russia - there's just more make-up on the pig. But money talks. And in this case, the NBA apparently has over 300 million fans over there, and the money is more important than the principle.
 


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