šŸˆ Auburn officials decide to retain Harsin

you went out of your way to argue that Hugh would leave Liberty to go to Auburn where it's a big name school, etc. Did you not say that?

No, I did not say that at all. Please go back and show me where I said that. I said coaches want to win it all and work towards a job at the top of college football. I also stated Freeze was forced to go to a school like Liberty to build back his reputation because no one else would hire him, meaning it was not because it was a desired position within college football. That's the extent to which I mentioned Freeze. I never put him and Auburn in the same sentence or thought.
 
They have been and hold that thought.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned Ian McCaw. He's the current AD at LU, former AD at Baylor. He's been at LU since 2016.

McCaw took the AD job at Baylor in 2003. He was there until he took the Liberty job. I don't know how old you are so saying "Baylor in '03" may not mean a thing. What you see at Baylor now is what he built there: he just "capped" the money source and supporters.

As mentioned he took over the Liberty job in 2016. You asked about recruiting? Their class was ranked around 190th that year in football. This season they're @90. Five years ago you'd see 3⭐'s on the roster but they only accounted for a ā…“, maybe. There's also several guys on that roster that weren't ranked at all. It was a Big South roster.

These things I mention at Liberty today are new. Facilities, brand new. The money going to football; new. Money towards the athletic department: new.

Circling back I don't see Freeze going to Auburn. As I hope you can see I believe there's reason for him to turn down a number of opportunities that may seem better by brand name.
Not saying you're wrong. It's obvious it's a much better job than I realized. But let's play devil's advocate and see what Auburn can sell:
  • Competitive pay - I'm in the boat that I believe anything Liberty (or any program) can throw, Auburn would be willing to go into a bidding war. Them even considering firing Harsion after one year makes me believe they have deeper pockets than most.
  • Facilities - While you mention Liberty has superior facilities, I believe Auburn could play a decent hand here. One of their future projects is a football performance center and it looks nice. Also considering one of their facilities is Jordan-Hare, which happens to be a top 5 home field advantage. And this might fit into competitive pay, but I'm willing to bet Auburn is willing to throw more money into facility upgrades if their HC is good and demands it. While we're discussing this, how much do facilities honestly play into a coaches decision to coach there? Might be a good off-season thread to discuss.
  • P5 prestige and championship aspirations - If Liberty goes undefeated, there's a 95+% chance they don't even get into the playoff. Incentives play a huge role here, because making the playoffs is more than likely in their contract and a big bonus is awaiting them. Auburn was close to making the playoffs in 2017 with TWO losses, until losing to UGA in the SECCG.
  • Tradition - This one I don't think coaches really care about, but I'm guessing it is something the program can sell. More of a recruiting tool IMO.
I too don't personally see Freeze going to Auburn either, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the job comparisons. Auburn is certainly a challenging program, but we can't act like if Auburn AD Green calls Freeze's agent, he isn't going to be willing to listen.
 
but we can't act like if Auburn AD Green calls Freeze's agent, he isn't going to be willing to listen.

Sexton would take the call and find a way to expand the bank account one way or another.

IMO, the fairest way of putting all this is probably: auburn is the better job. Liberty is the better situation. We sorta talked about that very thing when discussing Texas a while back, comparing it to other jobs before. Good job, poor situation.

I'm not saying Freeze would take the auburn job. But I do believe he'd strongly consider it.
 

Expanding the stadium already: https://www.liberty.edu/flames/news/athletics-announces-williams-stadium-expansion-plans/

They are always doing something.. because of private donation.

Auburn: Auburn board approves $91.9 million Football Performance Center

Auburn's last major facility upgrade for football was the $28 million Harbert Family Recruiting Center, which brought a new locker room, recruiting area, club spaces and press box to Jordan-Hare Stadium in 2018.
 
Auburn budget: Auburn athletics operates at first deficit in 7 years, a $9.7 million loss in 2021

Football coaching change fallout​

Auburn's severance payments also increased substantially, resulting from contract buyouts paid to former football coach Gus Malzahn and his staff. Malzahn was fired in December 2020 after an eight-year tenue.

Auburn reported $16.66 million in severance spending, including $16.09 million related to the football team. That accounts for 12.5% of the total operating expenses. The previous fiscal year, the athletics department spent just $734,877 in severance payments.

Given that Auburn's overall spending decreased, it would have been a much more substantial drop without the buyouts.

With Harsbin's buyout..... it'll goes up to 13-17 percent of the budget... That's significant.
 

It’s over for Bryan Harsin at Auburn.

Auburn made it clear this week that Harsin can no longer effectively coach football at the university, and that’s for the best since Harsin has made it clear over the last couple months that he doesn’t know how to coach in this new version of the SEC.

Harsin returns from vacation today, and while he was away the university, working outside of the athletics department, launched an investigation of the football team to figure out how Harsin could lose so much support from within. It was a stunning rebuke of a second-year football coach like the SEC has rarely seen. Harsin was hired little more than a year ago to replace fired coach Gus Malzahn, but now the university has turned on him.

Malzahn had a pretty good run at Auburn. Harsin never put on his shoes, and then someone took his fresh kicks out of the locker room and threw them up on a power line for all to see.

Alabama infamously had a coach named ā€œEarsā€ Whitworth, and now Auburn has their modern version of that old coaching relic. Harsin’s unmasked, abject failures as head coach of Auburn football scream of someone unwilling to listen to people smarter than him about how to win in the SEC.

Whatever it takes.

Maybe Harsin just needed more time, but Auburn, though its actions this week, clearly decided any more time spent helping Harsin figure things out was a waste.

At one point, maybe for a few months, Harsin could have succeeded at Auburn if things had been different. I’m being kind here because, to be fair, Auburn athletics director Allen Greene and his hiring committee wanted a tough coach who could mold a team the old way and that’s exactly who they thought they hired.

Then, suddenly, everything changed about college football in the SEC.

The rules allowing players to be paid for their name, image and likeness went into effect in June of 2021, Texas and Oklahoma announced it was joining the SEC a couple months later and now Texas A&M is out-recruiting everyone thanks to a bottomless war chest of cash.

In the old SEC, where toughness was currency and grit was like football gold, Harsin might have made a really good coach. Now coaches need to keep players happy, and maybe well compensated, too, for a team to even have a chance. There are ways to rebuild quickly in this new world, and all it takes is more money.

Auburn appears ready to fork it over.

On Monday, the university released an ominous statement announcing for all to hear that it was ā€œjudiciously collecting informationā€ on Harsin’s program.

On Tuesday, Auburn screamed to everyone that — hooray — it suddenly received the single largest donation in Auburn athletics history.



On Wednesday, Harsin was set to return from vacation. Don’t unpack, coach, because we all know what happens next. Harsin’s buyout is $18 million if Auburn fires him without cause. Maybe something will come up, though. The investigation of Auburn football is ongoing.



At the beginning of this week, I was convinced that firing Harsin after just one season would set Auburn football back years. That was just me thinking like a college football dinosaur circa January 2021. If and when Auburn officially breaks with Harsin, and it’s surely coming soon, maybe the university doesn’t need the best available coach in the country to compete with Alabama and Georgia.

Find someone people respect, and instead of paying him $5 million a year figure out creative ways to funnel half of that money to players through NIL deals.

Oh, did I say the silent part out loud? Well, you don’t have to like it, but this is the future of the SEC.

Nick Saban says paying players NIL money to pick a school is wrong, but I can’t see the reason why. Everyone else is making money, so what’s wrong with the players getting paid their fair shares? If that’s cheating then something’s wrong with the rules. In reality, paying players through NIL deals is about to be a normalized way of doing business.

Why keep blowing out the budget on these wasteful and disgusting coaching buyouts when investing capital in players is the intelligent and morally correct thing to do? The buyouts for Gus Malzahn and Bryan Harsin combined are $40 million. That kind of money would change the lives of a lot of people.

The game changed on Harsin before the ink even dried on his contract, and then he refused to adapt in a league he never understood from the beginning. His starting quarterback left for Oregon, his defensive coordinator took a pay cut to coach at Oklahoma State and Harsin’s young, 32-year-old offensive coordinator, who was on the job less than two months, suddenly quit two days before National Signing Day.

It can’t get any worse than that, right? I don’t want to find out.

At best, Harsin is a pettish version of Michael Scott at Dunder Mifflin, a poor manager of people selling reams of paper out of an office building at the dawn of our digital age. To be sure, this past week has felt like an episode of some ridiculous sit-com because only some fictitious television character like Scott could get fired from his job while on vacation.

We all know it’s so much worse than that, though. Harsin isn’t Scott. He’s what happens when Dwight Schrute finally gets his chance to run the office.
 

I'd say to Goodman that the message to auburn from Harsin is clear, pay me the 18.3 and not a penny less, or I'll see you on the practice fields. I sort of find this whole thing a little funny... the auburn power players trying to intimidate and bully a guy who has shown in his short time that despite his shortcomings as an SEC coach, he won't be intimidated or bullied. Didn't work when Papa Nix tried to influence his decisions, didn't work when many in power tried to force him to get vaccinated, and I don't see it working now. In fact, if anything, after the rumors they put out there to try and destroy him, he's likely even more emboldened.
 

It’s over for Bryan Harsin at Auburn.

Auburn made it clear this week that Harsin can no longer effectively coach football at the university, and that’s for the best since Harsin has made it clear over the last couple months that he doesn’t know how to coach in this new version of the SEC.

Harsin returns from vacation today, and while he was away the university, working outside of the athletics department, launched an investigation of the football team to figure out how Harsin could lose so much support from within. It was a stunning rebuke of a second-year football coach like the SEC has rarely seen. Harsin was hired little more than a year ago to replace fired coach Gus Malzahn, but now the university has turned on him.

Malzahn had a pretty good run at Auburn. Harsin never put on his shoes, and then someone took his fresh kicks out of the locker room and threw them up on a power line for all to see.

Alabama infamously had a coach named ā€œEarsā€ Whitworth, and now Auburn has their modern version of that old coaching relic. Harsin’s unmasked, abject failures as head coach of Auburn football scream of someone unwilling to listen to people smarter than him about how to win in the SEC.

Whatever it takes.

Maybe Harsin just needed more time, but Auburn, though its actions this week, clearly decided any more time spent helping Harsin figure things out was a waste.

At one point, maybe for a few months, Harsin could have succeeded at Auburn if things had been different. I’m being kind here because, to be fair, Auburn athletics director Allen Greene and his hiring committee wanted a tough coach who could mold a team the old way and that’s exactly who they thought they hired.

Then, suddenly, everything changed about college football in the SEC.

The rules allowing players to be paid for their name, image and likeness went into effect in June of 2021, Texas and Oklahoma announced it was joining the SEC a couple months later and now Texas A&M is out-recruiting everyone thanks to a bottomless war chest of cash.

In the old SEC, where toughness was currency and grit was like football gold, Harsin might have made a really good coach. Now coaches need to keep players happy, and maybe well compensated, too, for a team to even have a chance. There are ways to rebuild quickly in this new world, and all it takes is more money.

Auburn appears ready to fork it over.

On Monday, the university released an ominous statement announcing for all to hear that it was ā€œjudiciously collecting informationā€ on Harsin’s program.

On Tuesday, Auburn screamed to everyone that — hooray — it suddenly received the single largest donation in Auburn athletics history.



On Wednesday, Harsin was set to return from vacation. Don’t unpack, coach, because we all know what happens next. Harsin’s buyout is $18 million if Auburn fires him without cause. Maybe something will come up, though. The investigation of Auburn football is ongoing.



At the beginning of this week, I was convinced that firing Harsin after just one season would set Auburn football back years. That was just me thinking like a college football dinosaur circa January 2021. If and when Auburn officially breaks with Harsin, and it’s surely coming soon, maybe the university doesn’t need the best available coach in the country to compete with Alabama and Georgia.

Find someone people respect, and instead of paying him $5 million a year figure out creative ways to funnel half of that money to players through NIL deals.

Oh, did I say the silent part out loud? Well, you don’t have to like it, but this is the future of the SEC.

Nick Saban says paying players NIL money to pick a school is wrong, but I can’t see the reason why. Everyone else is making money, so what’s wrong with the players getting paid their fair shares? If that’s cheating then something’s wrong with the rules. In reality, paying players through NIL deals is about to be a normalized way of doing business.

Why keep blowing out the budget on these wasteful and disgusting coaching buyouts when investing capital in players is the intelligent and morally correct thing to do? The buyouts for Gus Malzahn and Bryan Harsin combined are $40 million. That kind of money would change the lives of a lot of people.

The game changed on Harsin before the ink even dried on his contract, and then he refused to adapt in a league he never understood from the beginning. His starting quarterback left for Oregon, his defensive coordinator took a pay cut to coach at Oklahoma State and Harsin’s young, 32-year-old offensive coordinator, who was on the job less than two months, suddenly quit two days before National Signing Day.

It can’t get any worse than that, right? I don’t want to find out.

At best, Harsin is a pettish version of Michael Scott at Dunder Mifflin, a poor manager of people selling reams of paper out of an office building at the dawn of our digital age. To be sure, this past week has felt like an episode of some ridiculous sit-com because only some fictitious television character like Scott could get fired from his job while on vacation.

We all know it’s so much worse than that, though. Harsin isn’t Scott. He’s what happens when Dwight Schrute finally gets his chance to run the office.
These guys can't write an article on the Barn w/o needing to reference Bama and/or Saban.

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