📝 Arch Manning commits to Texas

[BamaFan334]

Versus setting an official announcement where, likely, 100's of media members would attend? Versus having three hats on the table and doing a "switch-er-roo?" Or making a minute long hype video announcing your destination?

His announcement carried less fan-fare than Brodie's did almost 20 years ago.

Compared to today and other shenanigans of course, but we'll all agree things are out of hand with recruits, so I have a hard time holding them as a standard.

 

[bama alum]

 

[rick4bama]

He doesn't want to work hard to be the starter!

 

[TerryP]

He doesn't want to work hard to be the starter!

Based upon what?

Dislike the Manning family as much as you would like. But can we give this a rest? There's nothing found with Arch, or his family, that suggests they don't work for what they've achieved.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Based upon what?

Dislike the Manning family as much as you would like. But can we give this a rest? There's nothing found with Arch, or his family, that suggests they don't work for what they've achieved.

In your opinion....
Is Arch any real different than other 5 stars QBs....
Other than name.....
I know good family....probably good kid....but a lot of 5* QBs are coached by dads in HS ( he wasnt i know) .... and are well groomedfor college...
You have read...talked with ones that have seen him...what u think..

I know...we shall see...be interesting to watch

 

[TerryP]

In your opinion....
Is Arch any real different than other 5 stars QBs....
Other than name.....

I've mentioned this a few times.

"Is Arch any real different than other 5 stars QBs?" Yes, and no.

He's different, yes, based on his family. It's the same distinction Jalen Hurts brought when he signed with Bama. Manning has his advantages because he grew up surrounded by quarterbacks in his extended family. Hurts had his advantages because he grew up with a father as a head coach. It's an inherent advantage for any player to grow up in a coaching family.

Several weeks ago when Iamaleava* committed to Tennessee I said "if he'd committed to Bama he's a take NOW." (sic) Jaden Rashada—who committed to Miami over UF, LSU, Ole Miss, A&M, et. al. over the weekend—is only rated a 4 star. But, he's in the same boat. He has the ability to be that featured quarterback.

"That featured quarterback." That's the key and Arch doesn't fill that need (of any team) better than other prospects on the board this season. Put Malachi Nelson in that group. Riley has a good one there. Oregon's Dante Moore looks good. Vizzina out of Briarwood is considered one of those types.

I'm not saying all of these guys will dominate the sport. Vizzina, for example, sorely needs a quarterback coach.

As a side note, but on your point, I've seen the notion that Arch would have provided more mobility than Holstein. However, those spouting that notion tend to be left speechless when they see SPARQ numbers telling a different story.

In the end, Arch is (or would be) a great pickup for any team. But, depending on situations, no more impactful than another highly ranked quarterback in this class.

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* Iamaleava : I will rue the day we see rumors start about Iamaleava hitting the portal. The meme's that come from his name alone make me shudder.

 

['65 Cobra]

I've mentioned this a few times.

"Is Arch any real different than other 5 stars QBs?" Yes, and no.

He's different, yes, based on his family. It's the same distinction Jalen Hurts brought when he signed with Bama. Manning has his advantages because he grew up surrounded by quarterbacks in his extended family. Hurts had his advantages because he grew up with a father as a head coach. It's an inherent advantage for any player to grow up in a coaching family.

Several weeks ago when Iamaleava* committed to Tennessee I said "if he'd committed to Bama he's a take NOW." (sic) Jaden Rashada—who committed to Miami over UF, LSU, Ole Miss, A&M, et. al. over the weekend—is only rated a 4 star. But, he's in the same boat. He has the ability to be that featured quarterback.

"That featured quarterback." That's the key and Arch doesn't fill that need (of any team) better than other prospects on the board this season. Put Malachi Nelson in that group. Riley has a good one there. Oregon's Dante Moore looks good. Vizzina out of Briarwood is considered one of those types.

I'm not saying all of these guys will dominate the sport. Vizzina, for example, sorely needs a quarterback coach.

As a side note, but on your point, I've seen the notion that Arch would have provided more mobility than Holstein. However, those spouting that notion tend to be left speechless when they see SPARQ numbers telling a different story.

In the end, Arch is (or would be) a great pickup for any team. But, depending on situations, no more impactful than another highly ranked quarterback in this class.

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* Iamaleava : I will rue the day we see rumors start about Iamaleava hitting the portal. The meme's that come from his name alone make me shudder.

Could you dive a little deeper on this point (bolded)? I don't want to misconstrue what you're saying. Are you saying that because Hurts' father was his coach he has a comparable "advantage" coming out of high school as Arch Manning because of his family? There are tons of kids that were coached by their fathers in high school and in many cases not only is that not an advantage but rather a distinct disadvantage. For Arch, it's not just that he grew up in a family surrounded by QBs, it's that his family is the Manning family.

Of course, it's hard to specifically quantify, but how much of that 5-star rating is because of his last name? Clearly, he looks the part and should be excellent, but when you look at his actual stats... not that great. His best season by far was his Freshman season when he threw for 34 TDs. But he only had 2438 yards and that was his only season over 2,000 yards passing. That would rank him at #459 in passing yards for 2021. Sophomore year, 1922 yards, 21 TDs, under 200 yards/game. Junior year he only played 7 games, 1371 yards, 17 TDs, under 200 yards/game.

I guess the question for me is: if he didn't have that Manning name on the back of his jersey, would we still be talking about him? And if so, would it be to the same degree?

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Could you dive a little deeper on this point (bolded)? I don't want to misconstrue what you're saying. Are you saying that because Hurts' father was his coach he has a comparable "advantage" coming out of high school as Arch Manning because of his family? There are tons of kids that were coached by their fathers in high school and in many cases not only is that not an advantage but rather a distinct disadvantage. For Arch, it's not just that he grew up in a family surrounded by QBs, it's that his family is the Manning family.

Of course, it's hard to specifically quantify, but how much of that 5-star rating is because of his last name? Clearly, he looks the part and should be excellent, but when you look at his actual stats... not that great. His best season by far was his Freshman season when he threw for 34 TDs. But he only had 2438 yards and that was his only season over 2,000 yards passing. That would rank him at #459 in passing yards for 2021. Sophomore year, 1922 yards, 21 TDs, under 200 yards/game. Junior year he only played 7 games, 1371 yards, 17 TDs, under 200 yards/game.

I guess the question for me is: if he didn't have that Manning name on the back of his jersey, would we still be talking about him? And if so, would it be to the same degree?

"Still be talking about him"
....probably not for any reason.....my take

 

[BamaFan334]

Could you dive a little deeper on this point (bolded)? I don't want to misconstrue what you're saying. Are you saying that because Hurts' father was his coach he has a comparable "advantage" coming out of high school as Arch Manning because of his family? There are tons of kids that were coached by their fathers in high school and in many cases not only is that not an advantage but rather a distinct disadvantage. For Arch, it's not just that he grew up in a family surrounded by QBs, it's that his family is the Manning family.

Of course, it's hard to specifically quantify, but how much of that 5-star rating is because of his last name? Clearly, he looks the part and should be excellent, but when you look at his actual stats... not that great. His best season by far was his Freshman season when he threw for 34 TDs. But he only had 2438 yards and that was his only season over 2,000 yards passing. That would rank him at #459 in passing yards for 2021. Sophomore year, 1922 yards, 21 TDs, under 200 yards/game. Junior year he only played 7 games, 1371 yards, 17 TDs, under 200 yards/game.

I guess the question for me is: if he didn't have that Manning name on the back of his jersey, would we still be talking about him? And if so, would it be to the same degree?

My personal opinion, no, he would not be #1 or a five star. I think he has the tools for sure. I don't think Saban would have recruited him so well if he didn't see talent, but I could name three others I'd rather have, one being Holstein. The other two would be Malachi Nelson and Dante Moore. I keep referring back to the Berkley Prep/Newman game I watched and how Arch did not have a great game when a defensive lineman, another five star, was pushing him out of the pocket. Outside of a long touchdown run, he just wasn't getting it done in my mind. I just don't see a dynamic talent like I saw with Bryce, Milroe, or Simpson. I think Arch is more of a pocket passer like Mac Jones, and not like the three I just mentioned, but we have moved to a dynamic style quarterback, not a one tool guy. Sarkesian can do to Arch what he did to mac, I have no doubt. if they don't get their defense figured out and offensive line shored up his stats won't look great because he'll always be pressing, but I think Sarkesian can find ways to make him look good.

 

[bamanc50]

Just think with Arch going to Texas us Alabama football fans will be able to enjoy each and every Bama game on TV. Poor Texas fans will be stuck with the Manning Family Hour (s). The football game will be just a filler while they will be showing and talking about Archie, his wife, Peyton, Eli, and Cooper and their families, along with their aunts, uncles, cousins and etc., etc., etc. And oh by the way.......Bama will just keep on winning NC's....RTR

 

[50+yeartidefan]

My personal opinion, no, he would not be #1 or a five star. I think he has the tools for sure. I don't think Saban would have recruited him so well if he didn't see talent, but I could name three others I'd rather have, one being Holstein. The other two would be Malachi Nelson and Dante Moore. I keep referring back to the Berkley Prep/Newman game I watched and how Arch did not have a great game when a defensive lineman, another five star, was pushing him out of the pocket. Outside of a long touchdown run, he just wasn't getting it done in my mind. I just don't see a dynamic talent like I saw with Bryce, Milroe, or Simpson. I think Arch is more of a pocket passer like Mac Jones, and not like the three I just mentioned, but we have moved to a dynamic style quarterback, not a one tool guy. Sarkesian can do to Arch what he did to mac, I have no doubt. if they don't get their defense figured out and offensive line shored up his stats won't look great because he'll always be pressing, but I think Sarkesian can find ways to make him look good.

Problem there is
....,Sark is HC not OC.....
His time and efforts arent gojng to be on one player,....one aspect of team .......like he was able to do at Bama....there is a lot that goes into HC.....

Nick has been able to recruit..... not just players but coaches also..... thats his success ( plus more, I know)... and that takes more than a season or 2 or maybe 3. Then the hotsest sets in and then there is that to deal with

Adding.....

A lotta crap ???? going on at Texas...."eyes " controversy. Being dead wood in a conference..,changing conference affliations...trying to unseat OK....A$M rising...

Plus his past...

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Just think with Arch going to Texas us Alabama football fans will be able to enjoy each and every Bama game on TV. Poor Texas fans will be stuck with the Manning Family Hour (s). The football game will be just a filler while they will be showing and talking about Archie, his wife, Peyton, Eli, and Cooper and their families, along with their aunts, uncles, cousins and etc., etc., etc. And oh by the way.......Bama will just keep on winning NC's....RTR

Well.... one thing for sure....
PM can wear his old UT hat to games

Puke orange be in style

 

[TerryP]

Could you dive a little deeper on this point (bolded)?... Are you saying that because Hurts' father was his coach he has a comparable "advantage" coming out of high school as Arch Manning because of his family?

If you compare Jalen to other QB's in his class he had an advantage: a deeper understanding of the game than others who didn't grow up in a football coaching family.

In Arch's case, it's about what Cooper brought; influenced by his upbringing under Archie as well. There's an insight there that every QB in this class wasn't exposed to. It's an advantage. (I think a lot of folks include Eli and Peyton in his development but let's be honest; how much were they really around? Not a lot.)

Of course, it's hard to specifically quantify, but how much of that 5-star rating is because of his last name?

If the stories were the same and he had a different name I see no reason to think he wouldn't be as highly rated. He's done well on the camp circuit; most recently at Clemson. He did well at LSU's 7 on 7 camp. Those performances go a long way in ratings.

 

[AFF]

In the end, Arch is (or would be) a great pickup for any team. But, depending on situations, no more impactful than another highly ranked quarterback in this class.

Assuming that's true - and I think it probably is - that's one of the reasons I'm a little relieved he's going elsewhere.

I remember '65 Cobra using the word "circus" earlier. I think bamanc50 makes a good point with the "Manning Family Hour" reference.

We'll get elite QB talent. If Manning wouldn't be any more impactful (talent wise) than other elite QBs in this class, then - to circle back to what Cobra said earlier - "who needs it"?

"...they've got a name for the winners in the world". That name is already "writ in crimson flame". We don' need no stinking Mannings. I much prefer beating them to sharing the glory with them.

RTR

 

[TerryP]

We'll get elite QB talent. If Manning wouldn't be any more impactful (talent wise) than other elite QBs in this class, then - to circle back to what Cobra said earlier - "who needs it"?

Out of the 130 D1 schools there's 120+ that need a guy like Arch. There's only a select few that already have a great QB room and they too would benefit. He's a nice addition to any program.

My point about the "circus he might bring" was if there is any school/program that's built to handle that publicity, it's Bama. He wouldn't be the distraction in Tuscaloosa as he will be in Austin.

 

[OldPlayer]

IMO, the expectations on Arch are greater than he can deliver. I’ve never seen tape on him, but the pressure will be enormous. How many #1 high school QBs have fulfilled their expectations. I hope he’s productive in at least 11 of his 12 annual games, but any negatives will be multiplied by 1000.

 

[TerryP]

IMO, the expectations on Arch are greater than he can deliver. I’ve never seen tape on him, but the pressure will be enormous. How many #1 high school QBs have fulfilled their expectations. I hope he’s productive in at least 11 of his 12 annual games, but any negatives will be multiplied by 1000.

I can think of one in the 2020 class. Two of that year's top ten have so far.

Out of the top ten in '19, so far only Sam Howell and he was a 4 star kid. Do we see Spencer Rattler this season at UofSC?

The top two in 2018 were Lawrence and Fields. Maybe Matt Corral? Same class.

 

[AFF]

Out of the 130 D1 schools there's 120+ that need a guy like Arch. There's only a select few that already have a great QB room and they too would benefit. He's a nice addition to any program.

My point about the "circus he might bring" was if there is any school/program that's built to handle that publicity, it's Bama. He wouldn't be the distraction in Tuscaloosa as he will be in Austin.

I agree there are probably 120+ schools where he'd be a nice addition and would almost certainly make a positive impact. Also agree that of those - CNS' machine is probably best equipped to deal with the inevitable media circus that is sure to follow the Manning name.

We already have elite talent. I doubt the addition of Arch's talent would outweigh the inherent risks that come along with his pedigree (distraction, overhype, pressure, on-and-on). Bama MAY BE better equipped to deal with it - but who needs it? Glad we won't have to find. out.


RTR

 

[BamaFan334]

I can think of one in the 2020 class. Two of that year's top ten have so far.

Out of the top ten in '19, so far only Sam Howell and he was a 4 star kid. Do we see Spencer Rattler this season at UofSC?

The top two in 2018 were Lawrence and Fields. Maybe Matt Corral? Same class.

I still say Fields sucks. I was never sold on him or his toughness since high school. I am not of the cloth that Lawrence is that great either. His size makes up for some things, he does have a strong arm, but I do not see him as a long term quarterback in the NFL. he's not crisp in my eyes, not even at Clemson.

Bryce so far has defied the odds when talking his size. Everything else he has stood up to to. DJ at Clemson has been a disaster. CJ Stroud still has more to prove to me. Ohio State's competition is not good. They lost to the two teams they played. The Notre Dame game will be built up this year, but Notre Dame is set to take a step back with a new coach and a team of unknowns. Outside of that they get more of the same where they can simply outclass others.

 

[rick4bama]

Based upon what?

Dislike the Manning family as much as you would like. But can we give this a rest? There's nothing found with Arch, or his family, that suggests they don't work for what they've achieved.

It was a joke. He isn't coming to Bama. But watching some of these You Tube about Arch going to UT I can see what you mean. Last week he was a top pick, now he not wroth watch his game films.