🏈 Alabama officially releases new coaching staff

[mando]

Saban is the man, his hires not only include coaching knowledge but several just happened to be recruiting player x from the school they are coming from. The coach comes with a built in relationship and most assuredly has a better product to sell the recruit.

Also, their background aligns with an area we want to continue getting recruits from.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Coach K is making 750k for each of his two years under his contract. It sure appears he will be off the field for The King (perhaps he has a gig in the NFL setup already). Tosh was moved to 1.1 million for 2018 from 950K. With that said instead of asking Tosh to take a small cut in pay back to 950K and restarting his job of coaching OLB's he is asked to move out period. That is kind of a whiplash in thinking. Tosh was so valuable at recruiting that you paid him near a million to keep him away from Kirby. Then Tosh proves he's not up to a DC and then Nick gives on his recruiting ability and OLB coaching and sends the guy packing. No way will Tosh makes 900K as the DL coach in the NFL.

 

[planomateo]

Tosh will be a better coach in the long run with some NFL experience. Maybe he ends up liking the NFL more.

It's safe to say he's thinking long term with the move to the NFL.

 

[bama alum]

Trying to remember to trust Coach Saban! Trying to remember to trust Coach Saban! Trying to remember to trust Coach Saban!


Mike Stoops finalizing deal to join Alabama coaching staff as analyst

Mike Stoops finalizing deal to join Alabama coaching staff as analyst

Former Oklahoma defensive coordinator Mike Stoops is finalizing a deal to join Alabama’s staff in an off-field position, a person with knowledge of the move told USA TODAY Sports. The person requested anonymity because the move is not official.

Stoops becomes the latest in a line of prominent coaches to work with Nick Saban as part of the program’s support staff in a role as an analyst or consultant.

Stoops, the younger brother of former Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops, was the Sooners’ defensive coordinator from 1999-2003, building dominant defenses as the Sooners won a BCS national championship and were among the nation’s elite programs. He was Arizona’s head coach from 2004-11, going 41-50, then returned to Oklahoma in 2012.


Mike Stoops was fired as defensive coordinator at Oklahoma after the Sooners lost to Texas in 2018. (Photo: Rob Ferguson, USA TODAY Sports)

But in his return, the Sooners’ defense never reached its former dominance. In recent seasons, defensive deficiencies derailed Oklahoma’s opportunities to win a national championship.

Stoops was fired last October by Oklahoma coach Lincoln Riley, a day after a 48-45 loss to Texas – the highest offensive output scored by Texas in the long history of a heated rivalry.

After that midseason loss, Oklahoma's defense ranked 96th nationally in yards per game and 79th in points allowed. The Sooners won seven consecutive games – including a rematch with Texas in the Big 12 championship game – to reach the College Football Playoff. But they did it because of a historically good offense, surviving several shootouts.

Oklahoma's defense finished the season (after a 45-34 loss to Alabama in a Playoff semifinal at the Orange Bowl) ranked 101st in points allowed; the loss to Alabama was the fifth time in 2018 an opponent scored at least 45 points, the first time in school history that had happened.

Several coaches who have worked in support roles at Alabama have later moved into on-field coaching positions for the Crimson Tide. Among recent examples: Mike Locksley, hired as an analyst in 2016, he thebn became Alabama’s offensive coordinator and was recently hired as Maryland’s head coach. Former Tennessee coach Butch Jones was an analyst last season for Alabama. After he was fired as USC’s head coach, Steve Sarkisian joined Alabama in a support role for the 2016 season and served as offensive coordinator during the national championship game after Lane Kiffin left to coach Florida Atlantic. Reports have indicated Saban will rehire Sarkisian as offensive coordinator.

Last month, before Alabama’s semifinal matchup against Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, Saban told reporters those arrangements had often “worked out well for both” the coaches and the program.

“We have coaches who have a track record of being very, very good coaches, very productive, they make some mistake or get in some circumstance of situation that maybe creates this downward plummet but they still have a lot of positive values,” Saban said then. “We can get them in our program, maybe they learn a better way to do things. But we also can take advantage of the good things they know and they’ve done.”

 

[TerryP]

@bama alum, when Stoops was hired at OU as their head coach he was brought in from Florida as a defensive guy. I recall his brother fielding some fairly salty defenses between '00 and '03. At that time we were seeing the teenage years of what the Big12 is today with their all-offensive approach.

Mike's time as a head coach, even with his record at Arizona, is commendable.

While we're all talking about Golding continuing to grow as a defensive coordinator, that experience in an analyst role...to me it's a very solid hire.

 

[TerryP]

FWIW, I've received a note this morning that Petrino has been talking with Saban. It was a text and haven't looked around to see if it was being reported.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Trying to remember to trust Coach Saban! Trying to remember to trust Coach Saban! Trying to remember to trust Coach Saban!


Mike Stoops finalizing deal to join Alabama coaching staff as analyst

Mike Stoops finalizing deal to join Alabama coaching staff as analyst

Former Oklahoma defensive coordinator Mike Stoops is finalizing a deal to join Alabama’s staff in an off-field position, a person with knowledge of the move told USA TODAY Sports. The person requested anonymity because the move is not official.

Stoops becomes the latest in a line of prominent coaches to work with Nick Saban as part of the program’s support staff in a role as an analyst or consultant.

Stoops, the younger brother of former Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops, was the Sooners’ defensive coordinator from 1999-2003, building dominant defenses as the Sooners won a BCS national championship and were among the nation’s elite programs. He was Arizona’s head coach from 2004-11, going 41-50, then returned to Oklahoma in 2012.

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Mike Stoops was fired as defensive coordinator at Oklahoma after the Sooners lost to Texas in 2018. (Photo: Rob Ferguson, USA TODAY Sports)

But in his return, the Sooners’ defense never reached its former dominance. In recent seasons, defensive deficiencies derailed Oklahoma’s opportunities to win a national championship.

Stoops was fired last October by Oklahoma coach Lincoln Riley, a day after a 48-45 loss to Texas – the highest offensive output scored by Texas in the long history of a heated rivalry.

After that midseason loss, Oklahoma's defense ranked 96th nationally in yards per game and 79th in points allowed. The Sooners won seven consecutive games – including a rematch with Texas in the Big 12 championship game – to reach the College Football Playoff. But they did it because of a historically good offense, surviving several shootouts.

Oklahoma's defense finished the season (after a 45-34 loss to Alabama in a Playoff semifinal at the Orange Bowl) ranked 101st in points allowed; the loss to Alabama was the fifth time in 2018 an opponent scored at least 45 points, the first time in school history that had happened.

Several coaches who have worked in support roles at Alabama have later moved into on-field coaching positions for the Crimson Tide. Among recent examples: Mike Locksley, hired as an analyst in 2016, he thebn became Alabama’s offensive coordinator and was recently hired as Maryland’s head coach. Former Tennessee coach Butch Jones was an analyst last season for Alabama. After he was fired as USC’s head coach, Steve Sarkisian joined Alabama in a support role for the 2016 season and served as offensive coordinator during the national championship game after Lane Kiffin left to coach Florida Atlantic. Reports have indicated Saban will rehire Sarkisian as offensive coordinator.

Last month, before Alabama’s semifinal matchup against Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, Saban told reporters those arrangements had often “worked out well for both” the coaches and the program.

“We have coaches who have a track record of being very, very good coaches, very productive, they make some mistake or get in some circumstance of situation that maybe creates this downward plummet but they still have a lot of positive values,” Saban said then. “We can get them in our program, maybe they learn a better way to do things. But we also can take advantage of the good things they know and they’ve done.”

Aaaaand the "DUDE, IT'S STOOPS!" uhh, "prophecy" from Bama message boards everywhere 12 years ago finally fulfills itself.

 

[rick4bama]

I didn't even knew he was on Bama radar?

 

[94 Grad]

How much of MIke's initial success as DC was more due to the system put in place by Verables. Let's remember that MIke was hired in to OU as Co-DC with the then DC Venables... who promptly gave notice and went to Clemson.

Stoops was brought in and then fired 5 years later with an OU team that had/has a pretty crappy Defense. He basically to a good defense and made it crap. So... I'm not that excited to be honest. Being an Analyst, he may do well... but I don't see him as some tremendous hire.

 

[bama alum]

How much of MIke's initial success as DC was more due to the system put in place by Verables. Let's remember that MIke was hired in to OU as Co-DC with the then DC Venables... who promptly gave notice and went to Clemson.

Stoops was brought in and then fired 5 years later with an OU team that had/has a pretty crappy Defense. He basically to a good defense and made it crap. So... I'm not that excited to be honest. Being an Analyst, he may do well... but I don't see him as some tremendous hire.

Thank you, sir. @TerryP , that's my point.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

So evidently Tino is joining the staff as a GA..

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

How much of MIke's initial success as DC was more due to the system put in place by Verables. Let's remember that MIke was hired in to OU as Co-DC with the then DC Venables... who promptly gave notice and went to Clemson.

Stoops was brought in and then fired 5 years later with an OU team that had/has a pretty crappy Defense. He basically to a good defense and made it crap. So... I'm not that excited to be honest. Being an Analyst, he may do well... but I don't see him as some tremendous hire.

The initial system in place was the Stoops system. It started at K-State with Bob and Mike. At OU Mike was the DC and Venables the 1A. Obviously Venables has shown is ability on his own and is doing amazing. But Mike had many years of great success.

As an analyst, this is a slam dunk, no brainer of an addition.

 

[94 Grad]

I think you

How much of MIke's initial success as DC was more due to the system put in place by Verables. Let's remember that MIke was hired in to OU as Co-DC with the then DC Venables... who promptly gave notice and went to Clemson.

Stoops was brought in and then fired 5 years later with an OU team that had/has a pretty crappy Defense. He basically to a good defense and made it crap. So... I'm not that excited to be honest. Being an Analyst, he may do well... but I don't see him as some tremendous hire.

The initial system in place was the Stoops system. It started at K-State with Bob and Mike. At OU Mike was the DC and Venables the 1A. Obviously Venables has shown is ability on his own and is doing amazing. But Mike had many years of great success.

As an analyst, this is a slam dunk, no brainer of an addition.

Many years of great success with our without Venables/Bob ? He and Venables were DC from 1999-2003 when he left for Arizona. He came back to OU and Venables left. OU's Defense was pretty shitty in 2012-2018 when he was fired mid-year.

I truly don't remember his K-state time, but he was only a Co-DC with his brother Bob... so was it Mike or Bob that made for a good DC at K-state? Was it MIke or Venables that made for a good DC in 1999-2003 at OU? I do know when Mike got 100% control in 2012 OU never put up a good defense for 6 years.... I will make note that Venables has a few bad years at OU between 04-11 too.... but he had some very good year too and seems to have done aight for himself at Clemson...

So, I am not that excited about the hire, I'm really just neutral. Being an Analyst may be the perfect role for him and if Saban has hired him I have full faith in him... but I'm not jumping up and down cheering either.

 

[UAgrad93]

OU's Defense was pretty shitty in 2012-2018 when he was fired mid-year.

By our standards? Hell yeah they were. By Big 12 standards? 65th,20th,52nd,39th,82nd,67th, and then I guess you can give him credit for the abomination of this year at 114th. How much can be credited to Bob and how much can be blamed on Riley? Did their recruiting philosophy make an about face and lean to the offense and leave the defense left to get scraps with limited slots?
I think from an analyst standpoint, another set of defensive eyes can do nothing but help. Another guy on the same page to help mentor Golding along or be a bouncing board for Golding to shoot ideas at along with the entire defensive staff and CNS only helps.

 

[planomateo]

Can we bring Wes back?

 

[94 Grad]

OU's Defense was pretty shitty in 2012-2018 when he was fired mid-year.

By our standards? Hell yeah they were. By Big 12 standards? 65th,20th,52nd,39th,82nd,67th, and then I guess you can give him credit for the abomination of this year at 114th. How much can be credited to Bob and how much can be blamed on Riley? Did their recruiting philosophy make an about face and lean to the offense and leave the defense left to get scraps with limited slots?
I think from an analyst standpoint, another set of defensive eyes can do nothing but help. Another guy on the same page to help mentor Golding along or be a bouncing board for Golding to shoot ideas at along with the entire defensive staff and CNS only helps.

My point was that I'm not jumping up and down cheering on the hire... I'm just neutral on it. I don't see it as any big deal either way... unlike some that think it's the second coming of Christ that he was able to be hired... Now had he hired Bob... I might be a bit more excited

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Nick isn't content to put the Band back together...he is starting an orchestra on the U of A's dime.

Jake........We're putting the band back together.
Elwood...We're on a mission from God.

Jake.. Hit it.

 

[TerryP]

My point was that I'm not jumping up and down cheering on the hire... I'm just neutral on it. I don't see it as any big deal either way... unlike some that think it's the second coming of Christ that he was able to be hired... Now had he hired Bob... I might be a bit more excited

I see it as underplayed. @bama alum, a wealth a opportunity.

<tldr>

As I'm reading this thread I'm thinking about how this fits in the history of Saban's football.

Yes, there's great discussion with Venables and Stoops. (The fact they're being compared for an analyst position is of note)

To have an analyst on staff with this resume is a big deal. He was the coach of a major program, for a good number of years.

There's history here guys...in Locks, and Lane, and we're watching Sark again...look at the experience we're going to be judging next season.

#BamaProblems - used to be proud of former head coaches on the sidelines, now judge them in their roles as administrative analyst as...? ?

I'm not sure how to process this now that I've written this..

 

[TerryP]

<tldr>
<I don't think American Spirit is a bad brand of cigarettes.>

At that time we were seeing the teenage years of what the Big12 is today with their all-offensive approach.

Let's remember what time we're talking about here. That conference was dealing with the Mike Leach affect, for one, and unlike the SEC the air raid offense changed the face of that conference.

A point I believe needs to be considered as we're tossing around who was the "guy" in those defenses, let's remember Stoops was the one hired as a head coach. It's not as if one has more success than the other. It's suggestible it's the opposite.

As an analyst. For defense. To work with a guy coming up in a era of football that changing.

Is if fair to say that Stoops has seen the birth of what we're seeing in offensive football today?

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

JMO but Nick's greatest fear is failure and he is going to work 24/7/365 to make sure that doesn't happen. What he has accomplished in the past is the past and only the future matter drives him. He has no plan to go out as a washed up elite football coach like most of them have/did/done. The man understands he doesn't know everything about football but he is looking 24/7 for those that do and he will hire them.

Coach Bryant......"I don't hire anybody not brighter than I am. If they're not smarter than me, I don't need them."