🏀 Alabama basketball: Renovation likely for Coleman

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DESTIN, Fla. — Coleman Coliseum isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

As one of the oldest on-campus basketball arenas in the Southeastern Conference, Alabama’s 50-year-old home of the Crimson Tide men’s and women’s basketball programs, as well as the gymnastic team, appears headed more for an internal renovation than a complete overhaul.

“I think … it’s just more about how can we, without just throwing some new paint on Coleman, how can we transform Coleman,” Alabama head men’s basketball coach Avery Johnson said Wednesday during the second day of the SEC’s annual Spring Meetings at the Hilton Sandestin Beach Resort. “That’s kind of where we are.”

Built in 1967 and renovated roughly 13 years ago, Coleman Coliseum is the SEC’s third-oldest facility behind Georgia’s Stegeman Coliseum (opened in 1964) and Vanderbilt’s Memorial Gymnasium (1952).

But with SEC West neighbors like Auburn and Ole Miss having built new facilities since 2010, there have been discussions about either updating Coleman or building a new facility elsewhere on campus.

The latter option would be costly, likely upwards of $100 million, which is one reason it appears renovation is more likely.

“It’s leaning more toward the idea of a remodel, but even there we’re not there yet,” Alabama athletic director Greg Byrne said Wednesday. “We’ve been studying it, we’ve been looking at some research in the marketplace on what would be supported, and then we have to find a financial model that will work with that.”

Coleman Coliseum underwent some reconfiguration ahead of the 2016-17 season, when the student section was moved from the small area behind the west goal to the south seating section opposite the opposing team’s bench.

“My preference is that we have to address our home facility, and with Greg’s leadership we’ve done that,” Johnson said. “I’ve been at in on a lot of meetings, and we haven’t advertised a lot of our meetings, and that’s been strategic. … I know at some point down the road, something’s going to get done, but I think it’ll be more of a renovation than a new building.”

One of the ways Johnson wants to renovate Coleman is by upgrading both the student- and premium-seating areas to enhance the entertainment potential. The idea is to create a worthwhile game experience that could help bring in even more fans.

“(Improving) our student participation in our games is something that we’ve talked about significantly, and also how can we have better and more high-level VIP experiences for our season ticket holders,” Johnson said. “Because, with me coming from the NBA world, the entertainment value of your games, being able to entertain at different levels — not just with the team on the court — but all of those experiences that are sometimes exposed and sometime hidden behind with certain club levels that are visible and some that are not visible. I just think providing all of those experiences for different ticket levels are critically important to our program.”



By Alex Byington Sports Writer
Alabama basketball: Renovation likely for Coleman
 
I honestly think that if we gutted her and made a concourse that could see into the playing arena, forgive me for this, like the Barn arena, you could reconfigure the seating and push it down closer to the court. Their setup is actually pretty nice.
 
Tear it down and give Bama a state of art palace....
Renovation sucks
There's not a bit of the "The Joe" that sucks and that was gut and rebuild.

I honestly think that if we gutted her and made a concourse that could see into the playing arena, forgive me for this, like the Barn arena, you could reconfigure the seating and push it down closer to the court. Their setup is actually pretty nice.
It's my suspicion there's a lot behind that "gut" movement that either don't know or forget how much they don't see that's enclosed in Coleman: especially below ground and on the back-end.

In this era of Bama athletics have we seen anything over the last decade plus I can't see the administration "half-hearting" this thing. A BOATLOAD of money being spent here.
 
U can put lipstick on a pig
And what part of The Joe gives that impression? Ya know, one can also cut their toes off to spite their feet.

I've tried to get this point across. I think a lot are being judgmental without knowing what the administration is considering. It's not all about the dollars spent.
 
I've spent a lot of my personal time in Coleman Coliseum over the decades and I have never been in love with the blueprint of that place. It doesn't have good bones. I've heard Verne Lundquist, a number of times, call BDS the perfect stadium and he's been around the block a few times. He's right, not because of just the renovations but it is really a wonderfully shaped football stadium, to begin with, and makes for a great fan and player experience.

I think the vastness of the Coliseum is just too uninviting and distant, to begin with. What's really cool about these venues when they are done right is that we get a better view of the action and that's everything as a fan. That translates to a better home court advantage when the fans are closer to the court and the noise is on top of the player's head with nowhere to go.
 
I think the vastness of the Coliseum is just too uninviting and distant, to begin with. What's really cool about these venues when they are done right is that we get a better view of the action and that's everything as a fan. That translates to a better home court advantage when the fans are closer to the court and the noise is on top of the player's head with nowhere to go.
I don't think that's lost on anyone. Everyone, including those making the decisions, understand fan friendly. They know about the sightlines, etc. After all, it's been bitched about for a long, long time.

BUT, gutting the place and starting anew can and will fix that.

I'm still of the opinion that the quonset look turns a lot off and leads them to say raze the building.
 
In this era of Bama athletics have we seen anything over the last decade plus I can't see the administration "half-hearting" this thing. A BOATLOAD of money being spent here.
I have to admit, we were forewarned about this a month or so ago. What was the dollar figure you were hearing?
 
I don't think that's lost on anyone. Everyone, including those making the decisions, understand fan friendly. They know about the sightlines, etc. After all, it's been bitched about for a long, long time.

BUT, gutting the place and starting anew can and will fix that.

I'm still of the opinion that the quonset look turns a lot off and leads them to say raze the building.

I'm sure I personally associate the "quonset" look to the seating situation. Maybe it's impossible to separate the two. I would love to know what's changing with the elevation of the seating anyway? I love the DIY channel, so someone needs to show the fans a computer printout and the pitch they have in mind. Right now our coliseum gives me that Carlsbad Caverns vibe.

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I don't think that's lost on anyone. Everyone, including those making the decisions, understand fan friendly. They know about the sightlines, etc. After all, it's been bitched about for a long, long time.

BUT, gutting the place and starting anew can and will fix that.

I'm still of the opinion that the quonset look turns a lot off and leads them to say raze the building.

I'm sure I personally associate the "quonset" look to the seating situation. Maybe it's impossible to separate the two. I would love to know what's changing with the elevation of the seating anyway? I love the DIY channel, so someone needs to show the fans a computer printout and the pitch they have in mind. Right now our coliseum gives me that Carlsbad Caverns vibe.

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Read what @UAgrad93 posted earlier. I've mentioned that was in the plans a month or so ago.

I'm no architect but to me it's common sense if you expand the concourses you're decreasing the size of the basketball arena. Push the wall in, the seating elevation degree(s) changes immediately.

Another thing to keep in mind is how they plan to include more "luxury box" type seating areas. That leads me to think there's elevation changes coming from that as well.

Personally, I don't have any doubts they will have the best in the business designing this.
 
U can put lipstick on a pig
And what part of The Joe gives that impression? Ya know, one can also cut their toes off to spite their feet.

I've tried to get this point across. I think a lot are being judgmental without knowing what the administration is considering. It's not all about the dollars spent.

This isnt about “The Joe" or "Bryant Denny" .....both are well done.... remodeling of "the Coleman" is .......just that.... A baseball stadium isnt complicated....BD was already a nice CF stadium..just expended with vision ..both were able to accept rehab and become nicer...
Coleman is Coleman..was always kinda dumpy...remodelled a few year ago..... still dumpy...second sport for most college athletic programs...
And Bama Bball will stay Bama Bball...
To attract the top talent..top facilities are needed ( the way kids are these days...ie see clemson and Bama training facilities)... A real chance to move Bama Bball forward....or leave it standing in the mud...
 
DESTIN, Fla.

In the breezy, surf side elegance of the Florida hotel where the Southeastern Conference holds its annual meetings, the last building one would think about on a sunlit afternoon would be Coleman Coliseum.

The Crimson Tide’s home arena for basketball and gymnastics wasn’t a league-wide topic but the question of “what to do about Coleman?” did come up Wednesday as both UA director of athletics Greg Byrne and men’s basketball coach Avery Johnson attended the SEC meetings.

Byrne was asked about the facility and said the discussions that have been ongoing almost since the day he took over at Alabama nearly 15 months ago are “trending to renovation,” although he was quick to add no final plan has been approved yet.

The quick scorecard on the plus/minus scale regarding Coleman Coliseum is this:

The facility is 50 years old, venerable by the standards of Power Five conference arenas (although it is certainly not the oldest in the nation by any means.) From it’s construction, it was designed more to be functional than an aesthetic and architectural wonder and it has done that, at an original cost of about $3.6 million dollars in 1967. That figure is from the December 1967 Tuscaloosa News article about the imminent opening of what was then called Memorial Coliseum. Even that first article referred to the building as “cavernous,” just as an aside.

On the other hand, site preparation and construction costs for a new arena on a different area of the UA campus (or even a demolition/rebuild that would render the sports teams that use Coleman homeless for at least a year) would be prodigious. Byrne didn’t mention any figures but such a project would run well into the hundreds of millions of dollars.

The other opinion that was sought, of course, was that of Avery Johnson, and what was his “preference” in what boils down to a debate between fixing it up and blowing it up.

“My preference is that we have to address our home facility,” Johnson said in a sort of a cross-over dribble of an answer, one where you thought you had a clear view of an opinion and then you didn’t.

“I’ve sat in on a lot of meetings about it. I won’t say it’s been two years, but it hasn’t just been two months. Greg has provided great leadership in that area. I think it will be more of a renovation than a new building. Without sending out the alarm, I think it’s more about how we can transform Coleman.

“Increasing our student participation has certainly been talked about. Also, how can we (provide) a better, more high-level experience for our season ticket holders and not just the team on the court? Frankly, those experiences are critically important.”

What Johnson said he does not want is a renovation that would just be “slapping another coat of paint” on Coleman Coliseum. That might include anything, ranging from reconfiguration of the seating (which would probably involve reduction of capacity, especially as skybox-type seating is part of any plan) to fixing the lights. While fans are divided about building a new Coliseum, everyone agrees Coleman is currently lit like a 1930′s horror movie, and not a high-class Universal Studios production either, but a Republic Studios B-shocker like “Valley of the Zombies.” I don’t know who does the lighting for the Golden Knights hockey team in Las Vegas, but, renovation or rebuild, Alabama should ask.

There probably won’t be a final word on the project until the late summer or fall. As Coleman ages, the sooner, the better.

CECIL HURT: The sooner a decision made about Coleman Coliseum the better
 
"It's ambitious. That's the only way I know to describe it."

I'm still of the opinion a lot are going to complain because they don't like the way Coleman looks from the outside. From what I'm learning those are will remain so. There's not going to be much difference in the way the coliseum looks. On the inside it's going to be a completely different story. Unrecognizable was the word I heard at least a half of a dozen times when talking about Coleman this past weekend.

Changes in the seating? Check.
Better site lines? Check.
Better lighting? Check.

It was described in the terms of "everything that people have been asking for will be met, sans one. The structure is simply too sound (good bones as I've described it...same phrase Byrne used when talking about it recently as well.)

While we're still a little away from the capital drive being launched and the plans being announced efforts are underway with the bigger boosters now. I'm really looking forward to seeing and hearing more about all they've got planned.
 
"It's ambitious. That's the only way I know to describe it."

I'm still of the opinion a lot are going to complain because they don't like the way Coleman looks from the outside. From what I'm learning those are will remain so. There's not going to be much difference in the way the coliseum looks. On the inside it's going to be a completely different story. Unrecognizable was the word I heard at least a half of a dozen times when talking about Coleman this past weekend.

Changes in the seating? Check.
Better site lines? Check.
Better lighting? Check.

It was described in the terms of "everything that people have been asking for will be met, sans one. The structure is simply too sound (good bones as I've described it...same phrase Byrne used when talking about it recently as well.)

While we're still a little away from the capital drive being launched and the plans being announced efforts are underway with the bigger boosters now. I'm really looking forward to seeing and hearing more about all they've got planned.

If the inside is gorgeous and up-to-date, who cares if they think the outside is "ugly?"
 
"It's ambitious. That's the only way I know to describe it."

I'm still of the opinion a lot are going to complain because they don't like the way Coleman looks from the outside. From what I'm learning those are will remain so. There's not going to be much difference in the way the coliseum looks. On the inside it's going to be a completely different story. Unrecognizable was the word I heard at least a half of a dozen times when talking about Coleman this past weekend.

Changes in the seating? Check.
Better site lines? Check.
Better lighting? Check.

It was described in the terms of "everything that people have been asking for will be met, sans one. The structure is simply too sound (good bones as I've described it...same phrase Byrne used when talking about it recently as well.)

While we're still a little away from the capital drive being launched and the plans being announced efforts are underway with the bigger boosters now. I'm really looking forward to seeing and hearing more about all they've got planned.

If the inside is gorgeous and up-to-date, who cares if they think the outside is "ugly?"
I don't. The lip stick on a pig group seem to.
 
"It's ambitious. That's the only way I know to describe it."

I'm still of the opinion a lot are going to complain because they don't like the way Coleman looks from the outside. From what I'm learning those are will remain so. There's not going to be much difference in the way the coliseum looks. On the inside it's going to be a completely different story. Unrecognizable was the word I heard at least a half of a dozen times when talking about Coleman this past weekend.

Changes in the seating? Check.
Better site lines? Check.
Better lighting? Check.

It was described in the terms of "everything that people have been asking for will be met, sans one. The structure is simply too sound (good bones as I've described it...same phrase Byrne used when talking about it recently as well.)

While we're still a little away from the capital drive being launched and the plans being announced efforts are underway with the bigger boosters now. I'm really looking forward to seeing and hearing more about all they've got planned.

Sounds great to me! Hard to get them to put up the money for a new venue, so I'll take the next best thing!
 
Hard to get them to put up the money for a new venue, so I'll take the next best thing!
It's not a monetary issue from what i've heard. If you've supported campaigns at UA you should expect to be receiving contribution information. I've seen a few figures thrown around the last few months and all of them are up there--A LOT is going to be spent.

Part of this upcoming campaign will include changes to Bryant Denny.
 
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