šŸˆ You guys into an "official" talk about Missiouri thread? Seems like as good of a time as any.

I guess I was ahead of ESPN.com this week. Today is the day I should have started this thread, not yesterday.

Friends, today is the day.

Mizzou officially announced its move from the Big 12 to the SEC back in November, but today we'll make the move official on our blog network.

Mizzou will now officially be members of the SEC blog and moved off the Big 12 blog. We'll have a full day of posts today commemorating, debating and celebrating, but we'll kick things off the right way: with an introduction.

Big 12 blogger David Ubben introduces the SEC to its newest member on the blog with a Q&A with SEC blogger Edward Aschoff.

Edward Aschoff: Once the Texas A&M talks with the SEC heated up, Missouri's name was thrown right in. It wasn't much of a secret the Tigers would join, but what was your reaction to Missouri joining the SEC?

David Ubben: It's a complicated one. This move has so many facets to it. In terms of stability, I totally understand. When Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State started looking west at forming the Pac-16 for the second consecutive year, Mizzou knew it didn't want to have to wonder where it's future league home was going to be. The summer of 2010 when it looked like Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor were going to be left out of these new "superconferences" was scary for the Tigers. A move to the SEC, above all, ensures those conversations won't have to occur anymore.

A ticket to the SEC became possible. The Tigers chased it and caught it.

Well, now they're here. Fans are going to have to travel a whole long way to see road games. The recruiting game is going to be vastly different, and much more cutthroat, perhaps a world the Tigers are a bit unfamiliar with.

This season, they were right outside the national top 25 in recruiting, but that ranked ninth in the SEC. The bar has been raised. The big question is can Missouri clear it and be a successful program in the long run?

EA: Travel will be really interesting. Columbia, Mo., is almost 900 miles away from the other Columbia and Gainesville is more than 1,000 miles away. Talk about Delta miles. Missouri won't have to worry about filling opposing fans' ticket allotments because SEC fans travel well. So, when these fans get on campus, what are some of the new traditions they'll be exposed to from the Missouri faithful?

DU: Good question. There are teams with stronger traditions in the Big 12, but Mizzou's are solid.

The most evident one will be the Rock M at the North end of Faurot Field. Every August, they add a few rocks and the university's freshmen offer a fresh coat of paint to keep it looking fresh, which it always does.

For the biggest games, the Rock M and the field surrounding it will be packed with fans. Lately, the Tigers have had a few big wins to celebrate with ripped up goalposts. Wins over Oklahoma and Nebraska come to mind. When that happens, those goalposts are toted up that field and carried almost a mile to Harpo's, a bar downtown, where fans will cut them up and take home a piece.

If Bama goes down in Columbia next season, the Tide fans will see that up close and personal.

During the game, you'll get a taste of the Missouri Waltz, which is a pretty recognizable song featuring the fans waving their arms to the music.

They'll also get to meet Truman the Tiger, who treks around the track surrounding the field in a fire truck before the game with a hose to spray fans on hot days.

Faurot Field only seats a little more than 70,000 fans, but it's a solid atmosphere more often than not. It won't wow many folks, but it's got a very unique feel, and the stadium is set into the ground, so it feels a little underground, too.

EA: I also hear homecoming is a pretty big deal in Columbia as well. Let's hit the team a little. Some guy named Dorial Green-Beckham signed with Missouri and from all accounts he's a pretty big deal. The Tigers return a couple of solid receivers to help James Franklin, but Green-Beckham might really be special. How big was that pickup and how do you think he'll be used in the Tigers' offense this fall?

DU: Ah yes, how could I forget?

You want to be wowed by Mizzou? Come to campus during homecoming weekend and check out house decorations. I've seen plenty on several campuses in my day. None top Mizzou.

The DGB signing might honestly be bigger off the field than it is on it. He signifies that if you're one of the nation's top recruits, you don't have to go to somewhere like Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma or Texas. It's OK to go somewhere in state or somewhere you feel comfortable.

Most importantly, you can go to Mizzou, and DGB will vouch for that.

On the field, I don't think you can expect him to walk in and be a gamechanger. The SEC is a lot different than Missouri high school football. That said, I'd be surprised if he had fewer than 40 catches this season, and of course, he has the potential to become one of the best receivers this game has ever seen.

That idea is kind of crazy to think about. Mizzou's offense will give him a chance to fulfill that potential.

EA: Well, the guy throwing the ball to DGB ain't so bad. We saw quite a bit of Franklin last season and he was pretty impressive running and throwing, but this is the big league. SEC defenses prevent shootouts. So how do you see Franklin adjusting to all that speed on defense? And I might as well put you on the spot and see how you think Missouri will do in its first season in the SEC. What's your prediction, David?

DU: I think he's well-suited for the SEC, really. He doesn't get his yards on the ground with a lot of speed. He's really instinctive and runs when he should run. He does it with power and a great feel for creases in the offensive line and some nice wiggle that makes it hard to lay a good knock on him like SEC defenses will want to do.

Mizzou's production will dip a bit, but I still think the Tigers' offense will be effective.

As for my pick for the Tigers in Year 1?

Nine wins. Second place in the SEC East. Not a bad first season, eh?
 
Totally agree with the TV market. Anyone who doesn't believe that was priority #1 is kidding themselves. Recruiting area.......will be interesting to see how the move plays out with in state (MO) kids. There will always be decent amount of kids in the Top 10 (of Missouri) that go to Mizzou because they are dyed-in-the-wool Tigers. Particularly in the St. Louis region, we have a tendency to lose too many kids (in my opinion) to Big 10 schools. My hope is that more in state blue chippers (not that Mo produces a ton), will go the best of both worlds route, play for the home school, now against the best in the land (SEC).

The addition of Texas A&M will have a larger impact in terms of recruiting area obviously. Missouri will produce a number of recruits (I think Alabama was in on a couple, though I suspect Alabama wasn't pursuing them hard) but we don't produce the depth or numbers of recruits. I have no doubt that people smarter than me determined that expanding the SEC footprint into an untapped state like Missouri financially is worth the while as far as the TV market is concerned. St. Louis will always have the Cardinals and Kansas City the Chiefs, but support for those teams is not to the exclusion of Mizzou.

A few weeks ago there was mention of St. Louis hosting one of the SEC basketball tourney's. I thought the idea was stupid at that time and I'm still not in favor of the idea. (They had one in Florida a few years ago that was a total failure when it came to ticket sales, fan participation, etc.)

I was told about how well the MVC basketball tourney did there. So, there is evidence you guys support more than just pro teams.

Football recruiting was more about A&M. I like what Mizzou brings in terms of TV. Both "bills" are fit, just by two different stars.
 
I don't think there would be any doubt that an SEC tournament in St. Louis would be met with great support locally. The MVC does quite well here and that is for a lesser conference that has no team closer to St. Louis than Mizzou is. I understand they are different, but St. Louis has also done well to support the Division 1 Wrestling Championships, NCAA Frozen Four, NCAA Basketball regionals and of course the Missouri/Illinois football and basketball games. The St. Louis Sports Commission has done a pretty good job of putting these events together and generating support for them. The support has been strong enough and the events run well enough that they have continued to return. So, I think St. Louis would absolutely go crazy for it and support it and tickets would be hard to come by.

Having said that, as much as I would love it from a personal standpoint, I'm not sure it being in St. Louis is smart either. First, we're the new boys on the block and maybe we need to establish ourselves in the SEC first before we start talking about hosting tournaments. Second, geographically, I don't know if it would make sense. Mizzou would be strongly represented but I'm not sure how other schools would be represented for a basketball tournament considering the distance. St. Louis is centrally located for all the MVC schools, so its pretty easy for all of those schools to come to St. Louis and support their teams. For the SEC, St. Louis is far from centrally located.
 
I don't think there would be any doubt that an SEC tournament in St. Louis would be met with great support locally. The MVC does quite well here and that is for a lesser conference that has no team closer to St. Louis than Mizzou is. I understand they are different, but St. Louis has also done well to support the Division 1 Wrestling Championships, NCAA Frozen Four, NCAA Basketball regionals and of course the Missouri/Illinois football and basketball games. The St. Louis Sports Commission has done a pretty good job of putting these events together and generating support for them. The support has been strong enough and the events run well enough that they have continued to return. So, I think St. Louis would absolutely go crazy for it and support it and tickets would be hard to come by.

Having said that, as much as I would love it from a personal standpoint, I'm not sure it being in St. Louis is smart either. First, we're the new boys on the block and maybe we need to establish ourselves in the SEC first before we start talking about hosting tournaments. Second, geographically, I don't know if it would make sense. Mizzou would be strongly represented but I'm not sure how other schools would be represented for a basketball tournament considering the distance. St. Louis is centrally located for all the MVC schools, so its pretty easy for all of those schools to come to St. Louis and support their teams. For the SEC, St. Louis is far from centrally located.

You've gone through the same thought process I did and it seems you're at the same place now. It's just hard to say.

To me, logic says the tourney can rotate, but the question comes to cities. Memphis would be a logical place for a tournament. With them going to the Big East, I suspect they'll be begging for a tournament there.

Nashville is good as long as we don't play on Vandy's court. I HATE that place.

You mention hockey. Do you guys have a club team?
 
I don't think there would be any doubt that an SEC tournament in St. Louis would be met with great support locally. The MVC does quite well here and that is for a lesser conference that has no team closer to St. Louis than Mizzou is. I understand they are different, but St. Louis has also done well to support the Division 1 Wrestling Championships, NCAA Frozen Four, NCAA Basketball regionals and of course the Missouri/Illinois football and basketball games. The St. Louis Sports Commission has done a pretty good job of putting these events together and generating support for them. The support has been strong enough and the events run well enough that they have continued to return. So, I think St. Louis would absolutely go crazy for it and support it and tickets would be hard to come by.

Having said that, as much as I would love it from a personal standpoint, I'm not sure it being in St. Louis is smart either. First, we're the new boys on the block and maybe we need to establish ourselves in the SEC first before we start talking about hosting tournaments. Second, geographically, I don't know if it would make sense. Mizzou would be strongly represented but I'm not sure how other schools would be represented for a basketball tournament considering the distance. St. Louis is centrally located for all the MVC schools, so its pretty easy for all of those schools to come to St. Louis and support their teams. For the SEC, St. Louis is far from centrally located.

The Kentucky fans would show up for a tournament in Shanghai if need be. They travel for basketball like BAMA does for football.
 
My two cents worth here: In Nolan Richardson's heyday 10,000 of the Hog faithfule went to Dallas for the Big 12 tournament. If they get back near the top they will be as loyal as UK about supporting their team. I expect New Orleans to be very well attended this year. Fans in St Louis and Kansas City love their hoops as well. I'd think Houston might even be a projected site as well. Atlanta is a great site, no doubt, only a couple of hours away for me, but it sin't the only one.
 
Regarding hockey, I think its a club sport at Mizzou and the only information I could provide is what I would surf for. I haven't followed them myself, but apparently they play in ACHA and MACHA?!?!?!

There is no doubt Kentucky would travel anywhere for their basketball team. I didn't mean to imply that at all. I think Arkansas would travel well, even now, to St. Louis as well, given the proximity and the memories of the Nolan Richardson/Norm Stewart days. I just question St. Louis as the best choice geographically.
 
Regarding hockey, I think its a club sport at Mizzou and the only information I could provide is what I would surf for. I haven't followed them myself, but apparently they play in ACHA and MACHA?!?!?! There is no doubt Kentucky would travel anywhere for their basketball team. I didn't mean to imply that at all. I think Arkansas would travel well, even now, to St. Louis as well, given the proximity and the memories of the Nolan Richardson/Norm Stewart days. I just question St. Louis as the best choice geographically.
The only site we've had any attendance issues with is Tampa. St Louis is a good hike for Bama fans, so unless we were really good I'd expect us to send only 500 or so. Nashville isn't that far so Vandy would show up. Tennessee is just across the river, so the Vols would show up. KC and Houston are remote, so we'd have to have a really good product to sell them.
 
Howard, you seen anything on proposals for how the tournament is going to be set up in 2013? So many possibilities. Heck, they could take 14, give the top two seeds a bye on the first round, and make a real week out of it.
 
I agree that in order for Bama fans to travel to St Louis, KC, or Houston the product would have to be really good. Heck, I've seen games on tv in Tuscaloosa and the place wasn't filled, so I can't imagine fans would travel a good distance for anything other than pretty good.

Don't mean to highjack the thread, but Terry have you been to a Bama hockey game?
 
The only site we've had any attendance issues with is Tampa. St Louis is a good hike for Bama fans, so unless we were really good I'd expect us to send only 500 or so. Nashville isn't that far so Vandy would show up. Tennessee is just across the river, so the Vols would show up. KC and Houston are remote, so we'd have to have a really good product to sell them.

Ok, you're talking me into having St. Louis host it.
 
Ok, you're talking me into having St. Louis host it.

I can see that being successful if UK and MU are both having good seasons and we have a few teams that are in the top 25 along with them.

I still have to come back to how the tournament is set up.

Hypothetical. If UK and MU are at the top of the conference but the way the tourney is set up results in them playing the same day and having the same off day as well, St. Louis might be full Thursday and empty Friday, ya know?

If we go back to the first paragraph, a good UArk team would help tremendously. Out of those three fan bases at least a quarter of each would stay for another game.

As much as I love the conference tournaments, I'm not traveling further than ATL (5 hour drive) or TYS (6 hour drive.)

(TYS is a trip I might not take as it is. Bama would have to be looking at a Sweet 16 run for me to make that trip. It's a three hour trip flying, a 6 hour trip driving. Which do you take? It's the same time in the end...)
 
I agree that in order for Bama fans to travel to St Louis, KC, or Houston the product would have to be really good. Heck, I've seen games on tv in Tuscaloosa and the place wasn't filled, so I can't imagine fans would travel a good distance for anything other than pretty good.

Don't mean to highjack the thread, but Terry have you been to a Bama hockey game?

Yes.

Back story: I grew up in Huntsville, AL. I can't begin to tell you how many UAH hockey games I attended through the years. I LOVE college hockey. Living here on the coast, one shirt I have that receives a lot of comments is a long sleeve tee with Bama Hockey on it. I get a lot of WTF looks. There's ECHL here in this area, but going to those games is akin to sitting in the Vol student section at Neyland.

FWIW, you ought to check out their store before next seasons' puck drops. Their selection this year wasn't as good as it has been, but they normally have a few pretty neat items.
 
I can see that being successful if UK and MU are both having good seasons and we have a few teams that are in the top 25 along with them.

I still have to come back to how the tournament is set up.

Hypothetical. If UK and MU are at the top of the conference but the way the tourney is set up results in them playing the same day and having the same off day as well, St. Louis might be full Thursday and empty Friday, ya know?

If we go back to the first paragraph, a good UArk team would help tremendously. Out of those three fan bases at least a quarter of each would stay for another game.

As much as I love the conference tournaments, I'm not traveling further than ATL (5 hour drive) or TYS (6 hour drive.)

(TYS is a trip I might not take as it is. Bama would have to be looking at a Sweet 16 run for me to make that trip. It's a three hour trip flying, a 6 hour trip driving. Which do you take? It's the same time in the end...)

I'm sure you're not alone not wanting to make the longer drives, which is why St. Louis is a bad idea.

Regardless of where its played, the question of how to set up the tourney has me baffled. If you want the Finals on Sunday, your top 2 teams with byes won't play until Friday in the Quarterfinals regardless so to get to that point you either have to play 6 on Thursday (meaning you have to start at 10 a.m. ouch!!!) or start earlier in the week....3 on Wednesday and 3 on Thursday leading to the Quarterfinals on Friday or 2 on Tuesday, 2 on Wednesday and 2 on Thursday.....I don't see great turnouts for games so early in the week because you're dealing with alot of the lower seeded teams and weeknight games.

Playing the championship game on Monday just pushes the earlier games one day closer to the weekend, but there were alot of complaints from fans in the MVC when they used to play their championship game on Monday. Just made travel tougher to stick around for Monday.

The only other option I can think of is what the Atlantic 10 does, where only 12 are invited to the tourney, play 4 games on Thursday (allowing you to start around 2) and that gets the Quarterfinals started Friday. I'm not a big fan of excluding teams though.

Tough question. Your thoughts? While there would be good local support for the earlier games, I don't think there's any way to avoid low fanbase turnout on a weekday for lower seeded teams.
 
When the SEC basketball tournament was resumed back in the late seventies there were only ten teams, and the original format gave the top two seeds a bye to the semi finals. After all the outcry about too much advantage to the higher seeds it was changed to six byes and only the four lowest seeds played on the first day. When we went to 12 teams we went to the present set up of the top four seeds getting a first round bye, which has worked pretty well.I too don't like the idea of excluding teams. Part of basketball's charm to me is tournament play, which gives a team, no matter how much it sucked during the season, a chance to redeem itself just by winning. A few years back what I considered a terrible Georgia team actually won four straight to get a tournament bid.I see two relatively simple ways to do this.First, the traditianl way: seed two and have the other twelve play the first found. While I think I could still watch six games in one day (I've done it for HS tourneys) it would be rough. Since the rules require a break between games, and tourney game stend to last longer (more effort to extend games because if you lose you are done), even with an 8 AM tipoff for the first game it would likely be midnight or later before game six was finished. Three a day would be better, let the 3-4-5 teams play on day one to get the advantage of the off day, 6-7-8 the next. Start on Wednesday, finish on Sunday.Another option that I see is giving six teams a bye to the quarter finals, and have the other eight play down to two for a slot in the quarters. (The Big East does something like this.) The lower seeds would have to win five games to wear he crown. Tough, but UConn did it last year, and ended up with the big trophy. As far as travel, I may go to NO, would travel to Atlanta or Nashville. If we are as good next year as I think we will be I'd go a long way to see the tourney.Thr
 
The only problem I have with conference tournements is that the winner of the tournements get the garaunteed NCAA bid. Not that it'll happen in the SEC, but it has happened where a team won their conference regular season by a wide margin, lost in the final game of the conference tourney, and then didn't get a NCAA bid. This happened to a year or 2 ago when Alabama St only lost like 2 conference games. To me, the regular season champ should get the auto bid over the tournement champ.
 
The only problem I have with conference tournements is that the winner of the tournements get the garaunteed NCAA bid. Not that it'll happen in the SEC, but it has happened where a team won their conference regular season by a wide margin, lost in the final game of the conference tourney, and then didn't get a NCAA bid. This happened to a year or 2 ago when Alabama St only lost like 2 conference games. To me, the regular season champ should get the auto bid over the tournement champ.
Would Murray State get a bid if they ran the table and then lost to whomever in their conference tournament? That kind of debate comes up every year.
 
The only problem I have with conference tournements is that the winner of the tournements get the garaunteed NCAA bid. Not that it'll happen in the SEC, but it has happened where a team won their conference regular season by a wide margin, lost in the final game of the conference tourney, and then didn't get a NCAA bid. This happened to a year or 2 ago when Alabama St only lost like 2 conference games. To me, the regular season champ should get the auto bid over the tournement champ.

In a conference that small, if that happens: it happens. The 1 vs 15 match-ups are a joke now.
 
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