🏈 We won't be able to avoid politics and football in this thread. "Georgia loses recruit: Immigration

[planomateo]

"is he in fact illegal" would be the first assumption being made.

 

[bamagirl917]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not all for illegals running around un-checked. I just think the process to be legal is a little to complicated. There are a large portion of us that would not be here today if the citizenship process were as hard back when out great grandparents or great great grandparents came here.

Maybe so, but to educated (often times freely, or more cheaply than American born students) in our universities is extremely easy with a visa. Enrollment stats for any school in the country show that to be the case.

 

[bamagirl917]

"is he in fact illegal" would be the first assumption being made.

They have zero documentation to prove otherwise.. I think that speaks for itself. That's not really an assumption.

 

[bamagirl917]

http://www.ajc.com/sports/uga/regents-immigration-policy-at-1315818.html

Millsaps said that committees were formed that summer to conduct an evaluation of the statewide policies regarding the admission of undocumented students.

They found that there were approximately 521 undocumented students among the 311,000 students in the university system. Within that was “a smaller subset” of illegal immigrants.That led to the formation of a Regents policy that states:

“A person who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible for admission to any University System institution which, for the two most recent academic years, did not admit all academically qualified applicants (except for cases in which applicants were rejected for non-academic reasons).”​

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So in other words: our own qualified, tax-paying students are being denied acceptance to schools that are educating people here illegally. That's a problem and the reason for this law- which, God only knows why, doesn't exist in every state. Thus my comment about the Statue of Liberty plaque.

 

[planomateo]

.001%...good thing the State of Georgia is going after ALL of them. the probably spent more money on the committee than they actually saved on the "smaller subset" of 521 undocumented people.

typical government.

 

[bamagirl917]

.001%...good thing the State of Georgia is going after ALL of them. the probably spent more money on the committee than they actually saved on the "smaller subset" of 521 undocumented people.

typical government.

You're right, it's just a few hundred people. So multiply that by every university system in the country. Typical government, trying to enforce the laws it makes... :lance:
So what's the point in having them? Or should there not be any?

edit: and keep in mind this is GA.. I'd be curious to know what sort of numbers would come out of TX, CA, AZ, NM, FL etc school systems.

 

[planomateo]

Whats interesting, the money they are "saving" as some of you suggest in the form of scholarship money will be offset due to Anti-Immigration Law Georgia signed in last year. I've read they believe they had approximately 20k undocumented workers in the state working in the agricultural industry. This law will kill small businesses, aka the small farmers and many others.

At the end of the day, the undocumented workers are doing work that most "Americans" won't do. There is a need, legalize them and pay them a fair wage.

States are taking things into their own hands and it will have a negative impact on their economy. Workers go where the work is.

 

[TerryP]

Maybe so, but to educated (often times freely, or more cheaply than American born students) in our universities is extremely easy with a visa. Enrollment stats for any school in the country show that to be the case.

Going back to the original post along with the original individual.

"...is extremely easy with a visa."

No, it's not. How do you expect a kid who is less than 18 yrs old to apply for a visa? If he confronts his parents with the situation what do they have to consider in terms of losing? Their child's education. Their freedom, job, etc. Like Bo, I'm all for reform.

But, I've some issues with how this story is resolved.

Now, as to what you've stated here.

You realize those "illegals" were accepted into those University's over "legals" who didn't have the where-with-all to qualify in the first place.

Now we are giving precedence to those who are "legal," versus someone who has proven he is more qualified? There's a good chance this same person some have chosen to throw to they wayside worked harder than the one you are saying "deserves to be there more."

Is that not "let's not reward hard work but give it to someone else?"

Tangled web here...

 

[TerryP]

Georgia does indeed have the right to stop. Decent or not, they absolutely can stop. Better late than never.

So, you're saying "screw decency" for him?

 

[bamagirl917]

At the end of the day, the undocumented workers are doing work that most "Americans" won't do.

That statement used to fly, but with unemployment steadily edging 10%, that just isn't true any longer. You may remember a couple years ago the news story about Howard Industries. Immigration agents showed up at one of their electrical transformer plants in Laurel, MS and detained over 600 illegal immigrants that were working there. In the following days, hundreds of people all over the area were lined up outside the plant trying to get jobs. They didn't even have enough applications to give them.

If "workers go where the work is", then don't come here, because enough people here already don't have any.

 

[bamagirl917]

Now, as to what you've stated here.

You realize those "illegals" were accepted into those University's over "legals" who didn't have the where-with-all to qualify in the first place.

Now we are giving precedence to those who are "legal," versus someone who has proven he is more qualified? There's a good chance this same person some have chosen to throw to they wayside worked harder than the one you are saying "deserves to be there more."

Is that not "let's not reward hard work but give it to someone else?"

Tangled web here...

Huh? The article I referenced was making the point -- which I quoted verbatim -- that the need for such a committee was spawned from the fact that academically qualified American students were not all being accepted.

 

[bamagirl917]

Anyway, I digress. This is a touchy issue, and one people will never agree on or change anyone's mind about. I've expressed my opinion, so.. best wishes to this kid and whatever his future holds, and at least this didn't pop up at UA-- all I really care about :a:

 

[BrianG1979]

Well my wife was able to go through that complicated process to be here legally so I am having trouble feeling bad about this.

 

[Tider27]

Feel bad for the kid, but the name just doesn't fit em'.