🌎 USA vs. Iran

It's a 20 minute drive from the house to Joint Base Charleston. I know this for a fact having played that golf course A LOT before restrictions and access became as limited as they are today. Miles? Just under 10.

Yesterday, while watching the UF v UGA baseball game, I heard planes coming from the base. Loud. The second one I heard was enough for me to step outside to look. F-18's? I think. I don't know for sure. They were too high for the naked eye to get any real reference other than the outline. A total of eight took off within a span of around two minutes; less than to be honest. It was quick.

Here's the thing that strikes me everytime. Loud. LOUD. Those planes weren't any bigger than the end of a pencil to my eye but they were strong enough, even at that altitude, to shake everything a little. I could literally "feel the noise."

I say all of that to say this.

IF it's that loud here, at that altitude, I can't begin to imagine how loud it must be when you are on the receiving end of one of their bombing runs.
I'm posting this while hearing a string of either C-17's or 141's leaving the base ... and they are loaded.
Many times, the guys on the receiving end never get to hear an approaching jet. Blue Angels "practice" at their home base in Pensacola - I always love the "sneak attack" from a single Blue Angel, coming from over the water, skims over the pines and he's over you and gone before you hear him.
 
Many times, the guys on the receiving end never get to hear an approaching jet. Blue Angels "practice" at their home base in Pensacola - I always love the "sneak attack" from a single Blue Angel, coming from over the water, skims over the pines and he's over you and gone before you hear him.
Like a snipers bullet.

The base is to the SW. As soon as I hear them I'm looking to the NW knowing the first have already flown past. The only thing I've heard louder was AF1 leaving and I'll swear I heard that while the plane was powering up on the tarmac.
 
Y'all know how my mind works: aimlessly.

I was just cleaning my spreader. It's rotary, and not one of those cheap models. I've had it for years. I noticed when I was spraying off the bottom that the piece that spins was made in China, basket made in the USA. Mind mind went...

China > plastic > petroleum.

Bringing this back ...

I think most would agree that China is the biggest "threat" to the US. They've lost their #1 and #1 oil sources this year starting with Venezuela. Do you see where I'm going here? By putting the blockade in place, aren't we looking at the US controlling China's oil imports? I'm not trying to overstate something here. But, isn't the US basically controlling the global oil supply? (Not 100 percent, mind you, the majority.)

Going back in the thread... "if things remain the same."

Today, this morning, the global energy flow is different than it was days ago.

And I don't think it ends this way.
 
Y'all know how my mind works: aimlessly.

I was just cleaning my spreader. It's rotary, and not one of those cheap models. I've had it for years. I noticed when I was spraying off the bottom that the piece that spins was made in China, basket made in the USA. Mind mind went...

China > plastic > petroleum.

Bringing this back ...

I think most would agree that China is the biggest "threat" to the US. They've lost their #1 and #1 oil sources this year starting with Venezuela. Do you see where I'm going here? By putting the blockade in place, aren't we looking at the US controlling China's oil imports? I'm not trying to overstate something here. But, isn't the US basically controlling the global oil supply? (Not 100 percent, mind you, the majority.)

Going back in the thread... "if things remain the same."

Today, this morning, the global energy flow is different than it was days ago.

And I don't think it ends this way.
I think that was a large part of why the actions were taken, just can't be said out loud.
 
This entire thing has been a clusterfuck and was mishandled by the US from the beginning. Send in the VP and others to negotiate, that went amazingly awesome🙄. Now we got the President going after the Pope and depicting himself as Christ, but but it’s actually him as. Red Cross worker “helping people”…….but we’re great by golly
 
This entire thing has been a clusterfuck and was mishandled by the US from the beginning. Send in the VP and others to negotiate, that went amazingly awesome🙄. Now we got the President going after the Pope and depicting himself as Christ, but but it’s actually him as. Red Cross worker “helping people”…….but we’re great by golly
I find people getting upset about the picture hilarious. So many against what's going on with Iran...where if the same would have been done with Mohammad we'd see someone dead.

Mishandled from the beginning...I'll assume you're going back to the '70's here, right?

I know you say a lot off the cuff. We all do. I'm going to assume your comment about talks in Pakistan was just that, an off the cuff comment. I don't believe, for a milisecond, you thing Iran having nuclear capabilities is a good thing. They refused to give that up in those talks. I'm happy the VPOTUS walked away. No one believes that's a good idea including Iran's closest neighbors.
 
To hopefully avoid any misundestanding, I think the meme was in poor taste. It is a meme.

I'm also heavily inclined to believe it was a troll with the Pope as its intended target. I have no problems with that. He deserves every bit, in my opinion.
 
I find people getting upset about the picture hilarious. So many against what's going on with Iran...where if the same would have been done with Mohammad we'd see someone dead.

Mishandled from the beginning...I'll assume you're going back to the '70's here, right?

I know you say a lot off the cuff. We all do. I'm going to assume your comment about talks in Pakistan was just that, an off the cuff comment. I don't believe, for a milisecond, you thing Iran having nuclear capabilities is a good thing. They refused to give that up in those talks. I'm happy the VPOTUS walked away. No one believes that's a good idea including Iran's closest neighbors.
I obviously don’t think Iran should have nukes, but I don’t think any countries should have nuclear weapons.
 
I obviously don’t think Iran should have nukes, but I don’t think any countries should have nuclear weapons.
That ship has sailed. Hell, it's retired, in dry dock, and is a tourist attraction today.

Consider this thought. IF the US didn't have a nuclear arsenal. If they wouldn't have been the first to have a nuclear weapon? One, we likely wouldn't have the US v Iran or Isreal vs Iran clashes. Israel wouldn't exist. (I'm blonde, blue eyed, I'd fit right in.)

Analogy time! 😈 When scientist learned how N can improve plant growth and its production did they look at mixture of 33-0-0 or 44-0-0 and also think, "this could be a weapon?" Timothy McVay learned that somewhere, somehow.

I'm of the opinion I'd rather see nuclear power than coal. And, if I pretended that the two, nuclear+weapon, would never be combined I'd be fooling myself. Someone, somewhere, would take the "power" and think "weapon." It's a bit of a lame comparison but I have my doubts Ben Franklin had stun guns in mind just after the bulb lit.
 


Consider the following problem. You have spent 5 weeks bombing an adversary's military infrastructure with extraordinary intensity, striking more than 13,000 targets. You have sealed underground missile bases by collapsing their tunnel entrances. You have destroyed air defense batteries, weapons factories, and naval vessels. And yet, by the end of those 5 weeks, you know that roughly half of the enemy's missile launchers survived, many of them buried alive under rubble you created. Your target list, once rich with confirmed military assets, has thinned by approximately 90%. The assets you failed to destroy are hidden beneath mountains of concrete and earth, and you cannot strike what you cannot see. What do you do?

You pause.

This is not weakness, and it is not charity. It is one of the oldest maneuvers in the history of air warfare. You stop bombing, let the enemy believe he has breathing room, and then you watch him dig. Every excavator he deploys, every tunnel entrance he clears, every missile launcher he drags back into the sunlight creates a new signature on your satellite imagery. A target that was invisible on April 7 becomes a confirmed, geolocated, strikeable asset by April 12. The ceasefire is not a concession. It is a collection operation.

The evidence that the US military is treating this 2-week pause exactly this way is now overwhelming, drawn from Pentagon briefings, satellite imagery published by CNN, statements from the Mossad director himself, and analyses from institutions ranging from the Council on Foreign Relations to War on the Rocks.

Begin with the surveillance architecture. Navy MQ-4C Triton drones, high-altitude surveillance platforms capable of persistent maritime and overland reconnaissance, have been flying continuous patrols over the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz throughout the ceasefire. Tracking data published by the Italian military radar monitoring account ItaMilRadar showed a Triton returning to its base at Sigonella, Sicily on April 14 after completing a patrol circuit. Another Triton crashed in the Middle East during the ceasefire period, a loss that underscores how aggressively these platforms are being flown. The EP-3E Aries II, one of the US Navy's premier signals intelligence aircraft, had its final operational deployment extended specifically because of the current conflict. These are not defensive assets. They exist to collect electronic emissions, map communications networks, and build the kind of granular intelligence picture that feeds precision targeting.

Above these aircraft sit the satellites. President Trump said the quiet part aloud in his Truth Social post announcing the ceasefire, declaring that Iran's buried enriched uranium is "under very exacting Satellite Surveillance." Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth confirmed the point at the Pentagon podium: "Right now, it's buried, and we're watching it. We know exactly what they have and they know that." This was not a throwaway line. It was a deliberate signal to Tehran that the overhead constellation, the network of electro-optical, synthetic aperture radar, and signals intelligence satellites that constitutes the backbone of US strategic reconnaissance, has been repositioned and tasked against Iranian recovery operations.

CNN proved the point with published imagery. Satellite photographs reviewed by the network show front-end loaders scooping rubble from blocked tunnel entrances at underground missile bases, with dump trucks lined up to haul the debris away. A satellite image of a missile base south of Tabriz, dated April 10, shows heavy equipment staged at a collapsed tunnel entrance. The implications are straightforward. US intelligence can now see which bases Iran considers most important, which tunnel complexes it is prioritizing for restoration, and which weapons systems it is attempting to recover first. Each of these observations generates a targetable data point that did not exist before the ceasefire began.

Sam Lair, a research associate at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies, told CNN that Iran's behavior is entirely predictable and, in fact, built into its military doctrine. Iran designed its "missile cities," the vast underground complexes housing mobile launchers and ballistic missiles, to absorb a first strike, dig out, and launch again. The concept of operations is cyclical: take the hit, clear the rubble, resume operations. But that cycle only works if the adversary is not watching. And the adversary is watching everything.

The intelligence bonanza extends beyond overhead imagery. Mossad Director David Barnea delivered remarkable public remarks at a Holocaust Remembrance Day ceremony on April 14, revealing that Israeli intelligence operatives had been active "in the heart of Tehran" during the 5-week air campaign and had provided targeting data directly to the Israeli Air Force. More importantly, Barnea made clear that the intelligence mission has not stopped with the ceasefire. "We did not think that our mission would be completed immediately with the fading of the battles," he said, "but rather we planned, and we planned to continue, and this will be manifested even after the time of attacks on Tehran."

The Jerusalem Post reported that the Mossad told both Israeli and American officials that regime change would come after the war, not during it, framing the ceasefire explicitly as a preparatory intelligence phase.

CNN separately reported that US intelligence has detected China preparing to ship shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, known as MANPADs, to Iran through third-country intermediaries during the ceasefire. As a result, the Trump administration was able to warn China against the shipment and China agreed to stop arming the Iranians. The fact that the US detected this supply chain in real time demonstrates that signals intelligence and human intelligence networks are fully active throughout the pause.

The analytical community has caught on to the strategic logic. Emzar Gelashvili, a former Georgian parliamentarian and security analyst, published an analysis in RealClearDefense on April 11 titled "Iran Crisis: This Is No Longer a Ceasefire, It's a Strategic Pause." He identified 3 distinct military purposes the pause serves. First, it enables battle damage assessment, the systematic evaluation of what was destroyed, what survived, and what the enemy is doing about it. Second, it demonstrates "managed warfare," signaling to Iran and to global markets that the US can start and stop hostilities at will. Third, it functions as a diplomatic ultimatum mechanism, what Gelashvili calls "Pressure Through Pause," giving Washington time to finalize logistics and coordinate with allies while presenting Iran with a narrowing window for negotiation. The American Spectator published a companion analysis with the same thesis, noting that the enriched uranium is "buried under a mountain we've bombed to smithereens and the site is under constant surveillance."

The Council on Foreign Relations offered the most consequential assessment: Iran is digging out weapons stored at underground sites blocked under rubble, and appears to be receiving Chinese assistance in rebuilding its air defenses. The more time Tehran gets, CFR noted, the more it can do to position itself for a resumption of fighting. This is true, but it misses the reciprocal dynamic. The more Iran reconstitutes, the more visible its surviving capability becomes to US collection platforms. Every launcher that emerges from a tunnel, every air defense radar that comes back online, every supply convoy carrying Chinese components across the border, all of it refreshes a target deck that had grown dangerously stale after 5 weeks of sustained bombardment.

This is not a novel strategy. In the 1991 Gulf War, operational pauses allowed US intelligence to conduct battle damage assessments and retarget dispersed Republican Guard divisions. In Kosovo in 1999, NATO bombing pauses gave ISR platforms the opportunity to track Serbian military assets that had been hiding in forests and tunnel networks. The Israelis have practiced their own version of this cycle for decades in Gaza, degrading militant infrastructure, pausing, watching the rebuild, mapping the new architecture, and striking again with updated intelligence. War on the Rocks noted that the proliferation of near-real-time ISR, spanning commercial satellite imagery, surveillance drones, open-source intelligence, and state-level space capabilities, has fundamentally changed the calculus of operational concealment. Iran cannot reconstitute without being observed.
 


Consider the following problem. You have spent 5 weeks bombing an adversary's military infrastructure with extraordinary intensity, striking more than 13,000 targets. You have sealed underground missile bases by collapsing their tunnel entrances. You have destroyed air defense batteries, weapons factories, and naval vessels. And yet, by the end of those 5 weeks, you know that roughly half of the enemy's missile launchers survived, many of them buried alive under rubble you created. Your target list, once rich with confirmed military assets, has thinned by approximately 90%. The assets you failed to destroy are hidden beneath mountains of concrete and earth, and you cannot strike what you cannot see. What do you do?

You pause.

This is not weakness, and it is not charity. It is one of the oldest maneuvers in the history of air warfare. You stop bombing, let the enemy believe he has breathing room, and then you watch him dig. Every excavator he deploys, every tunnel entrance he clears, every missile launcher he drags back into the sunlight creates a new signature on your satellite imagery. A target that was invisible on April 7 becomes a confirmed, geolocated, strikeable asset by April 12. The ceasefire is not a concession. It is a collection operation.

The evidence that the US military is treating this 2-week pause exactly this way is now overwhelming, drawn from Pentagon briefings, satellite imagery published by CNN, statements from the Mossad director himself, and analyses from institutions ranging from the Council on Foreign Relations to War on the Rocks.

Begin with the surveillance architecture. Navy MQ-4C Triton drones, high-altitude surveillance platforms capable of persistent maritime and overland reconnaissance, have been flying continuous patrols over the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz throughout the ceasefire. Tracking data published by the Italian military radar monitoring account ItaMilRadar showed a Triton returning to its base at Sigonella, Sicily on April 14 after completing a patrol circuit. Another Triton crashed in the Middle East during the ceasefire period, a loss that underscores how aggressively these platforms are being flown. The EP-3E Aries II, one of the US Navy's premier signals intelligence aircraft, had its final operational deployment extended specifically because of the current conflict. These are not defensive assets. They exist to collect electronic emissions, map communications networks, and build the kind of granular intelligence picture that feeds precision targeting.

Above these aircraft sit the satellites. President Trump said the quiet part aloud in his Truth Social post announcing the ceasefire, declaring that Iran's buried enriched uranium is "under very exacting Satellite Surveillance." Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth confirmed the point at the Pentagon podium: "Right now, it's buried, and we're watching it. We know exactly what they have and they know that." This was not a throwaway line. It was a deliberate signal to Tehran that the overhead constellation, the network of electro-optical, synthetic aperture radar, and signals intelligence satellites that constitutes the backbone of US strategic reconnaissance, has been repositioned and tasked against Iranian recovery operations.

CNN proved the point with published imagery. Satellite photographs reviewed by the network show front-end loaders scooping rubble from blocked tunnel entrances at underground missile bases, with dump trucks lined up to haul the debris away. A satellite image of a missile base south of Tabriz, dated April 10, shows heavy equipment staged at a collapsed tunnel entrance. The implications are straightforward. US intelligence can now see which bases Iran considers most important, which tunnel complexes it is prioritizing for restoration, and which weapons systems it is attempting to recover first. Each of these observations generates a targetable data point that did not exist before the ceasefire began.

Sam Lair, a research associate at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies, told CNN that Iran's behavior is entirely predictable and, in fact, built into its military doctrine. Iran designed its "missile cities," the vast underground complexes housing mobile launchers and ballistic missiles, to absorb a first strike, dig out, and launch again. The concept of operations is cyclical: take the hit, clear the rubble, resume operations. But that cycle only works if the adversary is not watching. And the adversary is watching everything.

The intelligence bonanza extends beyond overhead imagery. Mossad Director David Barnea delivered remarkable public remarks at a Holocaust Remembrance Day ceremony on April 14, revealing that Israeli intelligence operatives had been active "in the heart of Tehran" during the 5-week air campaign and had provided targeting data directly to the Israeli Air Force. More importantly, Barnea made clear that the intelligence mission has not stopped with the ceasefire. "We did not think that our mission would be completed immediately with the fading of the battles," he said, "but rather we planned, and we planned to continue, and this will be manifested even after the time of attacks on Tehran."

The Jerusalem Post reported that the Mossad told both Israeli and American officials that regime change would come after the war, not during it, framing the ceasefire explicitly as a preparatory intelligence phase.

CNN separately reported that US intelligence has detected China preparing to ship shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, known as MANPADs, to Iran through third-country intermediaries during the ceasefire. As a result, the Trump administration was able to warn China against the shipment and China agreed to stop arming the Iranians. The fact that the US detected this supply chain in real time demonstrates that signals intelligence and human intelligence networks are fully active throughout the pause.

The analytical community has caught on to the strategic logic. Emzar Gelashvili, a former Georgian parliamentarian and security analyst, published an analysis in RealClearDefense on April 11 titled "Iran Crisis: This Is No Longer a Ceasefire, It's a Strategic Pause." He identified 3 distinct military purposes the pause serves. First, it enables battle damage assessment, the systematic evaluation of what was destroyed, what survived, and what the enemy is doing about it. Second, it demonstrates "managed warfare," signaling to Iran and to global markets that the US can start and stop hostilities at will. Third, it functions as a diplomatic ultimatum mechanism, what Gelashvili calls "Pressure Through Pause," giving Washington time to finalize logistics and coordinate with allies while presenting Iran with a narrowing window for negotiation. The American Spectator published a companion analysis with the same thesis, noting that the enriched uranium is "buried under a mountain we've bombed to smithereens and the site is under constant surveillance."

The Council on Foreign Relations offered the most consequential assessment: Iran is digging out weapons stored at underground sites blocked under rubble, and appears to be receiving Chinese assistance in rebuilding its air defenses. The more time Tehran gets, CFR noted, the more it can do to position itself for a resumption of fighting. This is true, but it misses the reciprocal dynamic. The more Iran reconstitutes, the more visible its surviving capability becomes to US collection platforms. Every launcher that emerges from a tunnel, every air defense radar that comes back online, every supply convoy carrying Chinese components across the border, all of it refreshes a target deck that had grown dangerously stale after 5 weeks of sustained bombardment.

This is not a novel strategy. In the 1991 Gulf War, operational pauses allowed US intelligence to conduct battle damage assessments and retarget dispersed Republican Guard divisions. In Kosovo in 1999, NATO bombing pauses gave ISR platforms the opportunity to track Serbian military assets that had been hiding in forests and tunnel networks. The Israelis have practiced their own version of this cycle for decades in Gaza, degrading militant infrastructure, pausing, watching the rebuild, mapping the new architecture, and striking again with updated intelligence. War on the Rocks noted that the proliferation of near-real-time ISR, spanning commercial satellite imagery, surveillance drones, open-source intelligence, and state-level space capabilities, has fundamentally changed the calculus of operational concealment. Iran cannot reconstitute without being observed.

I thought he had no plan?🤷‍♂️🤣
 
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