💬 The Masters 2018

[BamaFan334]

CBSports is your friend.

Me thinks you're exercising a little "journalistic freedom" here.

Nike is mandating their players all wear pink

This is where your earlier post threw me for a bit of a loop. I'd read what you said with the interpretation it was because of Tiger he could not wear red. It wasn't.

Of note, Reed added via the Sporting News that this isn't because of Woods himself, as Woods generally wears red and black on Sunday. It's a different thing entirely.​

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I'm assuming it was a breast cancer awareness move considering all of the other teams, in other sports, wearing pink this weekend as well. I'm all for that!!! It's a battle that has hit close to home, more than once.

Then again, Ricky Fowler is still sporting the 1970s Tampa Bay Buc orange again.

That's a nod to Okie State. I watched him play in college and saw him start that "fad."

I did catch this quote from him this past weekend:

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"As far as anything I wouldn't wear, that's a good question. I guess it would just depend on the situation, and how I was feeling that day.​

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"Oh, and I'll tell you this, I wouldn't wear crimson or burnt orange under any circumstances."​

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Crimson and burnt orange are the colours of rival schools Oklahoma and Texas.​

Yes, he wears orange every Sunday for his alma mater. He still sports the Swinging Pete logo on his bag. I'm always a big fan of a guy that loves his school, even after he leaves, and isn't scared to show it. Heck, even Tiger wears Stanford gear a lot off the course.

 

[BamaFan334]

Reed seems destined to run away with things.

I can't help but respect the way played yesterday. The suggestions he'd crumble on Saturday seemed to fuel him. This morning, the same suggestions are being voiced with a lot of the media picking Rory. More fuel?

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Ryder Cup: It was easy to root for Reed over Rory.
The Masters: It always boils down to a US thing for me unless there's a storyline or golfer that I'm not a fan of...

Are you a fan of Patrick Reed?

He grew up playing golf at University Lab in Baton Rouge. I'm surprised he chose UGA to attend school. UGA didn't last long. Whether he quit or was booted is up for debate or which story you choose to believe. He was accused of cheating (in golf, mind you) and theft at UGA. He went on to play at Augusta State where he was part of two teams with titles.

He did post a picture attending the ND vs UGA game dressed in ND gear. Is that throwing shade? Yeppers, but it's at UGA...so. BUT, that makes him a Notre Dame guy? Oh...another reason to root against him today.

Seeing a career Grand Slam versus those lingering questions...hrmm.

*Tommy Fleetwood flies in the face of the traditional PGA member, doesn't he? He needs a "red" to just cap off the look.
*Faldo: -14 wins today. That's expecting no movement from Reed. Also said "we're seeing the making of a legend today." He's calling for Rory.
*Nobilo: likes -14 under as well.
*The streaming coverage through TGC, The Master's site, and CBS has been quite good this week.

You left out/skirted around the more pertinent fact that he and his is a complete douche canoe. A fat frat boy, cheat and a thief that majority of the tour hate because he is a smug a-hole. It was only last month that he was whining and running his mouth to an official claiming he'd get a different ruling if his name was "Speith." I can't stand him. Hope he collapses in grand fashion today. Moreover, I'd love to see Speith come back and top him.

Was he in a fraternity? I can't see where he was. Not sure why you, as well as others, have such disdain over fraternity guys. I've always come to the realization the ones that use it as a negative influence during the conversation are the ones mad because they never join and use the whole "I don't pay for my friends" excuse to bash something they aren't privy to. Are there some goofy, entitled, asshole guys in fraternities? Of course, but these kind of people are everywhere, even on our very own football team that we all love so very much. I've just never understood the fraternity bashing and truly never given a reason to where I could honestly accept why. I'm willing to bet fraternities raise more money and do more for charity and the community than every single one of those using every chance to bash them.

 

[BAMANEWSBOT]

'My son is a Masters champion': Patrick Reed's estranged mother endures a complex mix of emotions

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Georgia won a fierce recruiting battle, and Reed, a pudgy, baby-faced 17-year-old, joined a veteran team stacked with future pros Brian Harman, Russell Henley, Harris English, and Hudson Swafford. Having grown up a golf nerd with few friends, Reed cut loose at Georgia, resulting in an arrest for underage drinking and possessing a fake ID. He pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor and was put on probation, fined and sentenced to 60 hours of community service. Plenty of college kids make similar mistakes. What doomed Reed at Georgia was committing golf's original sin. As Shane Ryan writes in his book Slaying The Tiger: "During a qualifying round prior to a tournament, according to sources close to the team, Reed hit a ball far into the rough. When he approached the spot, he found another ball sitting closer to the fairway, and was preparing to hit it when several of his teammates confronted him. Reed pleaded ignorance, but the other Georgia players were convinced he had been caught red-handed trying to cheat." Ryan details a second alcohol-related offense during Reed's freshman year, which hastened the end of his career at Georgia.

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As all of this has played out around him, Patrick has retreated into an insular world, a stranger to his colleagues. "I don't really know him, even though we played on the Ryder Cup team together," says Ryan Moore. "He keeps to himself and does his own thing."

"I don't know him that well," says Webb Simpson. "I'm not sure anybody does."

"I think he gets an untrue rep from who he actually is," says Daniel Berger. "He's a good guy. You hear people saying he's not a nice guy or they don't like him but I think that's untrue, to be honest. He's doing his own thing and doing his job and he doesn't care what people think. He just has his head down and they take that negatively."

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Reed's estranged family endures a complex mix of emotions

 

[TerryP]

When he approached the spot, he found another ball sitting closer to the fairway, and was preparing to hit it when several of his teammates confronted him. Reed pleaded ignorance, but the other Georgia players were convinced he had been caught red-handed trying to cheat."

Here's where I start to lean towards what his teammates have thought. It's a basic tenant of golf: mark your ball. I have a hard time seeing that as a simply mistake.

 

[planomateo]

Interesting stat.

 

[PurlJam]

In fairness to Spieth...he did manage to put out his dumpster fire from Friday and make a hell of a run at it yesterday.

 

[TUSKtimes]

My take on Reed is that he certainly acts like he's a loner by nature. And they don't tend to be slaves to what others think. He's feisty and outspoken and that makes him almost the perfect bad guy. The latest generation of millennials making the scene is almost holding each other's hand as they stroll the back 9 in these tourneys. If Reed is more confrontational, to me, that is a good thing. You saw the effect it had on Rory when he found out he was matched up with Reed. He was throwing down the gantlet and made some aggressive statements that otherwise may not have been said. People are still talking about the match play in the Ryder Cup between these two guys. Nothing wrong with a little emotion. So with Reed's major success maybe he gets a few more guys to be a little less chummy on gameday.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I didn't know the story on him at all. Well, $2 million ought to keep his wife and in-laws happy for a while.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

My take on Reed is that he certainly acts like he's a loner by nature. And they don't tend to be slaves to what others think. He's feisty and outspoken and that makes him almost the perfect bad guy. The latest generation of millennials making the scene is almost holding each other's hand as they stroll the back 9 in these tourneys. If Reed is more confrontational, to me, that is a good thing. You saw the effect it had on Rory when he found out he was matched up with Reed. He was throwing down the gantlet and made some aggressive statements that otherwise may not have been said. People are still talking about the match play in the Ryder Cup between these two guys. Nothing wrong with a little emotion. So with Reed's major success maybe he gets a few more guys to be a little less chummy on gameday.

Don't forget that Tiger didn't seem to be a player favorite when he burst on the scene, either.

 

[TUSKtimes]

My take on Reed is that he certainly acts like he's a loner by nature. And they don't tend to be slaves to what others think. He's feisty and outspoken and that makes him almost the perfect bad guy. The latest generation of millennials making the scene is almost holding each other's hand as they stroll the back 9 in these tourneys. If Reed is more confrontational, to me, that is a good thing. You saw the effect it had on Rory when he found out he was matched up with Reed. He was throwing down the gantlet and made some aggressive statements that otherwise may not have been said. People are still talking about the match play in the Ryder Cup between these two guys. Nothing wrong with a little emotion. So with Reed's major success maybe he gets a few more guys to be a little less chummy on gameday.

Don't forget that Tiger didn't seem to be a player favorite when he burst on the scene, either.

Tiger really set the tone for the entire PGA. He even had the older group bristling on the course and off it when he came in as a youngster. Ben Crenshaw telling the other golfers to man up. Fuzzy Zeller suggesting what the Master's dinner should serve after Tiger destroyed the record. It was on. Tiger's catfights and head games with Sergio Garcia, Phil Mickelson, Rory Sabbatini were legendary.

 

[BamaFan334]

My take on Reed is that he certainly acts like he's a loner by nature. And they don't tend to be slaves to what others think. He's feisty and outspoken and that makes him almost the perfect bad guy. The latest generation of millennials making the scene is almost holding each other's hand as they stroll the back 9 in these tourneys. If Reed is more confrontational, to me, that is a good thing. You saw the effect it had on Rory when he found out he was matched up with Reed. He was throwing down the gantlet and made some aggressive statements that otherwise may not have been said. People are still talking about the match play in the Ryder Cup between these two guys. Nothing wrong with a little emotion. So with Reed's major success maybe he gets a few more guys to be a little less chummy on gameday.

Don't forget that Tiger didn't seem to be a player favorite when he burst on the scene, either.

Tiger really set the tone for the entire PGA. He even had the older group bristling on the course and off it when he came in as a youngster. Ben Crenshaw telling the other golfers to man up. Fuzzy Zeller suggesting what the Master's dinner should serve after Tiger destroyed the record. It was on. Tiger's catfights and head games with Sergio Garcia, Phil Mickelson, Rory Sabbatini were legendary.

Dude, Tiger did not invent this type of mentality in golf. Tiger gets way too much credit. He was/is a killer golfer that did seem unstoppable during his run, but it's not as if he has accomplished something no one else has. It goes way way way back before Tiger was even born. My grandfather and dad have told me countless stories of how Jack and Arnold went at each other all the time. They always told me it was funny seeing them all smiles as honorary starters at the Masters, because they never really cared for each other while competing against one another. Now, when Palmer died you can imagine emotions were flowing and everyone was friends, but I have heard from numerous folks that it wasn't always sunshine and rainbows between the two. There have been countless others that have come along not so much as fan favorites, but worked their way into favoritism with success. Sergio Garcia is another that comes to mind, where folks and players alike couldn't stand him, but with maturity he has created a following. Rory McElroy is another young guy that came in with fanfare and negativity due to his early success, and was disliked, but now is a guy everyone pulls for. Nicklaus, during the time, was as long as Woods is with the technology being light years different. Tiger transcended the game from a preparation standpoint in that he could seemingly hit a putt from anywhere when he needed to. I don't give Tiger the benefit of the doubt for much more than that, because it was done better much much before Tiger Woods became a gleam in his daddy's eye, and Tiger even admits as much.

How far would golf's legends drive the ball using modern equipment?

 

[TUSKtimes]

My take on Reed is that he certainly acts like he's a loner by nature. And they don't tend to be slaves to what others think. He's feisty and outspoken and that makes him almost the perfect bad guy. The latest generation of millennials making the scene is almost holding each other's hand as they stroll the back 9 in these tourneys. If Reed is more confrontational, to me, that is a good thing. You saw the effect it had on Rory when he found out he was matched up with Reed. He was throwing down the gantlet and made some aggressive statements that otherwise may not have been said. People are still talking about the match play in the Ryder Cup between these two guys. Nothing wrong with a little emotion. So with Reed's major success maybe he gets a few more guys to be a little less chummy on gameday.

Don't forget that Tiger didn't seem to be a player favorite when he burst on the scene, either.

Tiger really set the tone for the entire PGA. He even had the older group bristling on the course and off it when he came in as a youngster. Ben Crenshaw telling the other golfers to man up. Fuzzy Zeller suggesting what the Master's dinner should serve after Tiger destroyed the record. It was on. Tiger's catfights and head games with Sergio Garcia, Phil Mickelson, Rory Sabbatini were legendary.

Dude, Tiger did not invent this type of mentality in golf. Tiger gets way too much credit. He was/is a killer golfer that did seem unstoppable during his run, but it's not as if he has accomplished something no one else has. It goes way way way back before Tiger was even born. My grandfather and dad have told me countless stories of how Jack and Arnold went at each other all the time. They always told me it was funny seeing them all smiles as honorary starters at the Masters, because they never really cared for each other while competing against one another. Now, when Palmer died you can imagine emotions were flowing and everyone was friends, but I have heard from numerous folks that it wasn't always sunshine and rainbows between the two. There have been countless others that have come along not so much as fan favorites, but worked their way into favoritism with success. Sergio Garcia is another that comes to mind, where folks and players alike couldn't stand him, but with maturity he has created a following. Rory McElroy is another young guy that came in with fanfare and negativity due to his early success, and was disliked, but now is a guy everyone pulls for. Nicklaus, during the time, was as long as Woods is with the technology being light years different. Tiger transcended the game from a preparation standpoint in that he could seemingly hit a putt from anywhere when he needed to. I don't give Tiger the benefit of the doubt for much more than that, because it was done better much much before Tiger Woods became a gleam in his daddy's eye, and Tiger even admits as much.

How far would golf's legends drive the ball using modern equipment?

Then you heartily agree, golf today, needs more Patrick Reeds and less hand-holding.

 

[bama alum]

Then again, Ricky Fowler is still sporting the 1970s Tampa Bay Buc orange again.

That's a nod to Okie State. I watched him play in college and saw him start that "fad."

I did catch this quote from him this past weekend:

​

"As far as anything I wouldn't wear, that's a good question. I guess it would just depend on the situation, and how I was feeling that day.​

​

"Oh, and I'll tell you this, I wouldn't wear crimson or burnt orange under any circumstances."​

​

Crimson and burnt orange are the colours of rival schools Oklahoma and Texas.​

Did not know that. It's still hideous. Orange sux. I hate it.

 

[BamaFan334]

My take on Reed is that he certainly acts like he's a loner by nature. And they don't tend to be slaves to what others think. He's feisty and outspoken and that makes him almost the perfect bad guy. The latest generation of millennials making the scene is almost holding each other's hand as they stroll the back 9 in these tourneys. If Reed is more confrontational, to me, that is a good thing. You saw the effect it had on Rory when he found out he was matched up with Reed. He was throwing down the gantlet and made some aggressive statements that otherwise may not have been said. People are still talking about the match play in the Ryder Cup between these two guys. Nothing wrong with a little emotion. So with Reed's major success maybe he gets a few more guys to be a little less chummy on gameday.

Don't forget that Tiger didn't seem to be a player favorite when he burst on the scene, either.

Tiger really set the tone for the entire PGA. He even had the older group bristling on the course and off it when he came in as a youngster. Ben Crenshaw telling the other golfers to man up. Fuzzy Zeller suggesting what the Master's dinner should serve after Tiger destroyed the record. It was on. Tiger's catfights and head games with Sergio Garcia, Phil Mickelson, Rory Sabbatini were legendary.

Dude, Tiger did not invent this type of mentality in golf. Tiger gets way too much credit. He was/is a killer golfer that did seem unstoppable during his run, but it's not as if he has accomplished something no one else has. It goes way way way back before Tiger was even born. My grandfather and dad have told me countless stories of how Jack and Arnold went at each other all the time. They always told me it was funny seeing them all smiles as honorary starters at the Masters, because they never really cared for each other while competing against one another. Now, when Palmer died you can imagine emotions were flowing and everyone was friends, but I have heard from numerous folks that it wasn't always sunshine and rainbows between the two. There have been countless others that have come along not so much as fan favorites, but worked their way into favoritism with success. Sergio Garcia is another that comes to mind, where folks and players alike couldn't stand him, but with maturity he has created a following. Rory McElroy is another young guy that came in with fanfare and negativity due to his early success, and was disliked, but now is a guy everyone pulls for. Nicklaus, during the time, was as long as Woods is with the technology being light years different. Tiger transcended the game from a preparation standpoint in that he could seemingly hit a putt from anywhere when he needed to. I don't give Tiger the benefit of the doubt for much more than that, because it was done better much much before Tiger Woods became a gleam in his daddy's eye, and Tiger even admits as much.

How far would golf's legends drive the ball using modern equipment?

Then you heartily agree, golf today, needs more Patrick Reeds and less hand-holding.

You don't have to be an arrogant asshole to build viewership or divide. All you need is to be competitive. People want to watch good golf, not the extracurricular stuff. Patrons want to see players charge like Spieth and Fowler did, and what Tiger was so good at. They don't need the guy from the wrong side of the tracks to build entertainment. Phil Mickelson has it down perfectly. We've all heard the amazing stories of his money games and off the course bets with other golfers. The game of golf is enamored by Phil Mickelson, the only guy to win the Amateur title twice if I remember, or something along those lines. You don't need a villain to create a good storyline. I agree in general that millennials are a bunch a weak you know what's, but Patrick Reed can have his garbage reputation, because he'll be forgotten like Danny Willet and Mike Weir as Masters Champions. Reed and Rory's Ryder Cup competition is simply competition, not arrogance, so I think that is blown out of proportion. Cheating, body language, and a overall crappy attitude is not a desired trait in golf. It's a gentleman's game, a game of etiquette, something a lot of people these days know nothing about. You want a more edgy and tough sport, watch football. Not saying golf is a sissy sport, because if a cocky guy wouldn't shut up or hit into me on the course I'd knock his teeth out, but being under control in a sport does not make it lousy viewership as you're intending to put it. Just cause you like the NBA, doesn't mean the NBA style has to be portrayed in every sport to be good. Each sport is unique, as are its professionals.

 

[TUSKtimes]

You don't have to be an arrogant asshole to build viewership or divide. All you need is to be competitive. People want to watch good golf, not the extracurricular stuff. Patrons want to see players charge like Spieth and Fowler did, and what Tiger was so good at. They don't need the guy from the wrong side of the tracks to build entertainment. Phil Mickelson has it down perfectly. We've all heard the amazing stories of his money games and off the course bets with other golfers. The game of golf is enamored by Phil Mickelson, the only guy to win the Amateur title twice if I remember, or something along those lines. You don't need a villain to create a good storyline. I agree in general that millennials are a bunch a weak you know what's, but Patrick Reed can have his garbage reputation, because he'll be forgotten like Danny Willet and Mike Weir as Masters Champions. Reed and Rory's Ryder Cup competition is simply competition, not arrogance, so I think that is blown out of proportion. Cheating, body language, and a overall crappy attitude is not a desired trait in golf. It's a gentleman's game, a game of etiquette, something a lot of people these days know nothing about. You want a more edgy and tough sport, watch football. Not saying golf is a sissy sport, because if a cocky guy wouldn't shut up or hit into me on the course I'd knock his teeth out, but being under control in a sport does not make it lousy viewership as you're intending to put it. Just cause you like the NBA, doesn't mean the NBA style has to be portrayed in every sport to be good. Each sport is unique, as are its professionals.

What is a rivalry, but strong feelings about beating the other person or team? If you care to express that, that's much more interesting. Bama vs the barn come to mind right here. You just mentioned older generations of golfers who didn't necessarily vacation with each other after a match. Patrick Reed is outspoken and Sunday he took the crowd's energy that was used against him and used it as motivation. Muhammad Ali wasn't Jack the Ripper but he would get inside your head, before, during and after a match. So will Tiger and it's good to see him back for a lot of reasons. But every player is different, I'm just glad right now to see a few of the 20 somethings showing a different approach to the game.

 

[BamaFan334]

You don't have to be an arrogant asshole to build viewership or divide. All you need is to be competitive. People want to watch good golf, not the extracurricular stuff. Patrons want to see players charge like Spieth and Fowler did, and what Tiger was so good at. They don't need the guy from the wrong side of the tracks to build entertainment. Phil Mickelson has it down perfectly. We've all heard the amazing stories of his money games and off the course bets with other golfers. The game of golf is enamored by Phil Mickelson, the only guy to win the Amateur title twice if I remember, or something along those lines. You don't need a villain to create a good storyline. I agree in general that millennials are a bunch a weak you know what's, but Patrick Reed can have his garbage reputation, because he'll be forgotten like Danny Willet and Mike Weir as Masters Champions. Reed and Rory's Ryder Cup competition is simply competition, not arrogance, so I think that is blown out of proportion. Cheating, body language, and a overall crappy attitude is not a desired trait in golf. It's a gentleman's game, a game of etiquette, something a lot of people these days know nothing about. You want a more edgy and tough sport, watch football. Not saying golf is a sissy sport, because if a cocky guy wouldn't shut up or hit into me on the course I'd knock his teeth out, but being under control in a sport does not make it lousy viewership as you're intending to put it. Just cause you like the NBA, doesn't mean the NBA style has to be portrayed in every sport to be good. Each sport is unique, as are its professionals.

What is a rivalry, but strong feelings about beating the other person or team? If you care to express that, that's much more interesting. Bama vs the barn come to mind right here. You just mentioned older generations of golfers who didn't necessarily vacation with each other after a match. Patrick Reed is outspoken and Sunday he took the crowd's energy that was used against him and used it as motivation. Muhammad Ali wasn't Jack the Ripper but he would get inside your head, before, during and after a match. So will Tiger and it's good to see him back for a lot of reasons. But every player is different, I'm just glad right now to see a few of the 20 somethings showing a different approach to the game.

I just see it as different when no one likes you cause your unethical and an arrogant asshole. Ricky Fowler and Matt Kuchar are all class, patting his girlfriend on the back with a hug and congratulating Reed as he finished, not because they're "bros". No one is saying they don't like the guy because he is simply outspoken, so your misconception of solely using that reason doesn't appear to fit here. There is a list of items folks don't care for. Hell, Ricky Fowler used to have a California surfer cut to his hair that the old blue hairs hated, and he came to the realization of his profession and what it means to a lot and cut his hair. Read up on the story of him wearing a backwards hat to a Masters presser and being forced to take it off. he knew then that this was a different deal than just playing college golf. He matured. Still wears his flat bills, but that has captured the imagination of the new era of kids enjoying golf. Nothing about Reed will capture the masses. As far as Tiger goes, it was more of the masses wanting to be a part of something more than appreciating what kind of guy he was. They wanted to say they were there for the Back 9 as Tiger chased a major. They don't even look into his story enough to tell how rude and cheap he was to everyone. Atleast Tiger had the etiquette and production to garner that attention. Reed won a big one yesterday, but still has a ways to go before he can keep calling himself "the best golfer in the world".

I agree as well that I am enjoying the youthful infusion of Fowler, Spieth, Dufner, Kaufman, and that entire crew. They are lively, competitive, and always there saying nice things about folks. The world is already a negative landfill, so having a profession where there is positive vibes is not asking for too much.

 

[TerryP]

There is a list of items folks don't care for. Hell, Ricky Fowler used to have a California surfer cut to his hair that the old blue hairs hated, and he came to the realization of his profession and what it means to a lot and cut his hair. Read up on the story of him wearing a backwards hat to a Masters presser and being forced to take it off. he knew then that this was a different deal than just playing college golf. He matured. Still wears his flat bills, but that has captured the imagination of the new era of kids enjoying golf. Nothing about Reed will capture the masses. As far as Tiger goes, it was more of the masses wanting to be a part of something more than appreciating what kind of guy he was.

There's some truth here in my opinion and some misconceptions as well.

You're right. There's a list of items folks don't care for. Golfers should have a problem with a guy cheating on his qualifying score. After all, it's the game where you are officiating yourself.

I don't care for the orange outfits of Fowler. I don't like Okie State as a collegiate team--in any nature. So, there's two strikes. He's a good golfer and handles himself well ... so in my book he's still in the batters box.

Tiger, on the other hand, is one of the misconceptions. I feel he was caught up in the media swirl that surrounded the Williams sisters and their father and it was translated to Tiger and Earl. I've got my issues with Tiger as well. I don't care for the way the TV coverage spends so much time on him when there's others in contention (it was a lot better this year but then again I had three feeds running at the same time.) When his father made the comment "he'd be better known than Jesus Christ?" Oh shite...not the place I'd want anyone, anywhere, to go.

What kind of guy Tiger was had a lot to do with his downfall in the public's perception--mine as well when it comes to how he treated Elin Nordegren. That doesn't fly with me, with anyone. BUT, he owned up to that publically. The injuries were real and his return from those makes it a great story in any sport.

Nothing about Reed will capture the masses? Come on now. That's already happened with the Ryder Cup.

In a sense the PGA has become the NFL in the way I follow the sport. I don't care for any NFL team. I can watch about any game being played and name colleges the players have attended. But, the game itself...losing what I love about football. The PGA hasn't lost any of my respect by changing the game and its rules. They are still etched in stone. But, when it comes to the Americans on tour my allegiances are really starting to fall under "where they went to school" when deciding who to root for or against.

I like Jordan's game--he's still a Longhorn who had a HUGE hand in beating Bama in the NCAA's. Fowler, and Okie State. Reed, and UGA (with the other stuff.) Bubba Watson--Georgia boy. Dustin Johnson--Coastal Carolina (so he's getting a little break from me knowing the courses he was playing in college...and then there's his wife who reminds me a lot of Natalie Zea.)

To reiterate on thing:

If he's cheating at golf...there's ample reason not to like him: on and off the course.

 

[TUSKtimes]

I just see it as different when no one likes you cause your unethical and an arrogant asshole. Ricky Fowler and Matt Kuchar are all class, patting his girlfriend on the back with a hug and congratulating Reed as he finished, not because they're "bros". No one is saying they don't like the guy because he is simply outspoken, so your misconception of solely using that reason doesn't appear to fit here. There is a list of items folks don't care for. Hell, Ricky Fowler used to have a California surfer cut to his hair that the old blue hairs hated, and he came to the realization of his profession and what it means to a lot and cut his hair. Read up on the story of him wearing a backwards hat to a Masters presser and being forced to take it off. he knew then that this was a different deal than just playing college golf. He matured. Still wears his flat bills, but that has captured the imagination of the new era of kids enjoying golf. Nothing about Reed will capture the masses. As far as Tiger goes, it was more of the masses wanting to be a part of something more than appreciating what kind of guy he was. They wanted to say they were there for the Back 9 as Tiger chased a major. They don't even look into his story enough to tell how rude and cheap he was to everyone. Atleast Tiger had the etiquette and production to garner that attention. Reed won a big one yesterday, but still has a ways to go before he can keep calling himself "the best golfer in the world".

I agree as well that I am enjoying the youthful infusion of Fowler, Spieth, Dufner, Kaufman, and that entire crew. They are lively, competitive, and always there saying nice things about folks. The world is already a negative landfill, so having a profession where there is positive vibes is not asking for too much.

Your comments just have no advice on how to get into the mind and therefore the heart of your opponent. Psychological warfare is more than keeping score. Fowler isn't getting into anyone's noggin and the world is still waiting for this golfer to turn it on in crunch time on the big stage. I see a lot of sheep and not many leaders on the PGA tour. I know that sounds harsh, but it's as old a strategy as the games themselves.

 

[BamaFan334]

I just see it as different when no one likes you cause your unethical and an arrogant asshole. Ricky Fowler and Matt Kuchar are all class, patting his girlfriend on the back with a hug and congratulating Reed as he finished, not because they're "bros". No one is saying they don't like the guy because he is simply outspoken, so your misconception of solely using that reason doesn't appear to fit here. There is a list of items folks don't care for. Hell, Ricky Fowler used to have a California surfer cut to his hair that the old blue hairs hated, and he came to the realization of his profession and what it means to a lot and cut his hair. Read up on the story of him wearing a backwards hat to a Masters presser and being forced to take it off. he knew then that this was a different deal than just playing college golf. He matured. Still wears his flat bills, but that has captured the imagination of the new era of kids enjoying golf. Nothing about Reed will capture the masses. As far as Tiger goes, it was more of the masses wanting to be a part of something more than appreciating what kind of guy he was. They wanted to say they were there for the Back 9 as Tiger chased a major. They don't even look into his story enough to tell how rude and cheap he was to everyone. Atleast Tiger had the etiquette and production to garner that attention. Reed won a big one yesterday, but still has a ways to go before he can keep calling himself "the best golfer in the world".

I agree as well that I am enjoying the youthful infusion of Fowler, Spieth, Dufner, Kaufman, and that entire crew. They are lively, competitive, and always there saying nice things about folks. The world is already a negative landfill, so having a profession where there is positive vibes is not asking for too much.

Your comments just have no advice on how to get into the mind and therefore the heart of your opponent. Psychological warfare is more than keeping score. Fowler isn't getting into anyone's noggin and the world is still waiting for this golfer to turn it on in crunch time on the big stage. I see a lot of sheep and not many leaders on the PGA tour. I know that sounds harsh, but it's as old a strategy as the games themselves.

You don't have to get into anyone's head in golf, the game already does that. The leaderboard does that. Nothing gets into someone's head more than seeing a guy grind and make a push. It doesn't have to come in the form of a comment, a look, or an outfit. Golf is pressure enough without anything on the line.

You saying Fowler hasn't won because he's not psychologically getting into his opponents is dumb as hell. You trying to say Reed got to Spieth, Fowler, and Rory? Come on man, no way in hell.

 

[BamaFan334]

There is a list of items folks don't care for. Hell, Ricky Fowler used to have a California surfer cut to his hair that the old blue hairs hated, and he came to the realization of his profession and what it means to a lot and cut his hair. Read up on the story of him wearing a backwards hat to a Masters presser and being forced to take it off. he knew then that this was a different deal than just playing college golf. He matured. Still wears his flat bills, but that has captured the imagination of the new era of kids enjoying golf. Nothing about Reed will capture the masses. As far as Tiger goes, it was more of the masses wanting to be a part of something more than appreciating what kind of guy he was.

There's some truth here in my opinion and some misconceptions as well.

You're right. There's a list of items folks don't care for. Golfers should have a problem with a guy cheating on his qualifying score. After all, it's the game where you are officiating yourself.

I don't care for the orange outfits of Fowler. I don't like Okie State as a collegiate team--in any nature. So, there's two strikes. He's a good golfer and handles himself well ... so in my book he's still in the batters box.

Tiger, on the other hand, is one of the misconceptions. I feel he was caught up in the media swirl that surrounded the Williams sisters and their father and it was translated to Tiger and Earl. I've got my issues with Tiger as well. I don't care for the way the TV coverage spends so much time on him when there's others in contention (it was a lot better this year but then again I had three feeds running at the same time.) When his father made the comment "he'd be better known than Jesus Christ?" Oh shite...not the place I'd want anyone, anywhere, to go.

What kind of guy Tiger was had a lot to do with his downfall in the public's perception--mine as well when it comes to how he treated Elin Nordegren. That doesn't fly with me, with anyone. BUT, he owned up to that publically. The injuries were real and his return from those makes it a great story in any sport.

Nothing about Reed will capture the masses? Come on now. That's already happened with the Ryder Cup.

In a sense the PGA has become the NFL in the way I follow the sport. I don't care for any NFL team. I can watch about any game being played and name colleges the players have attended. But, the game itself...losing what I love about football. The PGA hasn't lost any of my respect by changing the game and its rules. They are still etched in stone. But, when it comes to the Americans on tour my allegiances are really starting to fall under "where they went to school" when deciding who to root for or against.

I like Jordan's game--he's still a Longhorn who had a HUGE hand in beating Bama in the NCAA's. Fowler, and Okie State. Reed, and UGA (with the other stuff.) Bubba Watson--Georgia boy. Dustin Johnson--Coastal Carolina (so he's getting a little break from me knowing the courses he was playing in college...and then there's his wife who reminds me a lot of Natalie Zea.)

To reiterate on thing:

If he's cheating at golf...there's ample reason not to like him: on and off the course.

Funny, cause I see it a lot in the same way that you do. I have more appreciation for the college game in all sports, so I always attest my favoritism towards a guy based on where he went to school. Tim Tebow is one guy where I hated his college choice, but I have always pulled for him after the fact. He's the one guy I gave exception to. I like Spieth, his faith, his love for his sister, his charity, but yes, being a Longhorn makes it tough. Cowboy Pete never really bothered me too much, but they have pushed Alabama in golf the last ten years, making it difficult, but pretty sure we beat them a few years back for the Natty.