🏈 The continuing saga of Johnathan Taylor

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Not to be one upped by Geno Smith and his DUI, 2015 signee DT Johnathan Taylor was arrested tonight for domestic violence. I'm sure Coach Saban and the University are going to take a beating on this. It was already a sensitive issue with charges pending from a case in Georgia and the reson for his dismissal from UGA. Coach talked about giving kids second chances. Seems that whatever length of leash Taylor was given by UA and Saban, he may have very well hung himself with it.
 
@Argo @Brandon Van de Graaff

Either of you guys have any idea what the recidivism rate is on DV charges?

I'm sure Coach Saban and the University are going to take a beating on this.

OK, I laughed at your choice of words. Knowing you, that's a clever "turn of phrase." Did you smirk when you realized what you typed?

If people are going to start assigning blame there are several ways, or places, to place said blame. How many will point to the person in charge of the domestic violence office at UA? Few, if any. Why? It lays at one persons feet; Taylor's.
 
March 28, 2015

Jonathan Taylor arrested for domestic violence

Aaron Suttles
TideSports.com Senior Writer


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University of Alabama defensive tackle Jonathan Taylor was arrested Saturday evening and charged with domestic violence third-degree assault and domestic violence third degree criminal mischief by the Tuscaloosa Police Department.

Taylor, 21 years old, came to Alabama after being dismissed from the University of Georgia program when he was arrested and also charged with domestic violence (charges are still pending in the Georgia case).

According to a release by Tuscaloosa Police Department, officers responded to a call at in the 100 block of E. 15th Street to speak with a victim who stated "she was assaulted by her boyfriend at approximately 6 p.m. (Saturday). Upon arrival officers spoke to the victim about an altercation that took place at her residence. After speaking with the victim, officers located the suspect at the victim's residence and spoke to him about the incident.

"Officers found probably cause to arrest the suspect for domestic violence third-degree assault and domestic violence third-degree criminal mischief. "The 24-year-old victim (whose identity was withheld) had minor injuries to her neck from the assault."

In the police report, the officer noted damage to a "bedroom closet door with a hole punched in it." Taylor was held on a $1,000 bond and placed on a mandatory 12-hour domestic violence hold.

Taylor's signing with Alabama as part of the 2015 class raised eyebrows that UA would take a chance on a player with charges that were still pending, but Alabama head coach Nick Saban defended the move saying that young people deserved a "second chance."

"I said this before that when people are young -- and that is not a mistake that we condone in any shape or form, that's (disrespectful) to any person, let alone a female - there's is some occasion to not condemn them for life, but to give them another chance," Saban said in February.

"It's up to them to prove that they deserve that chance. And when they get that opportunity they need to definitely do their very best to take advantage of it. This is the decision that we made. I know the sensitivity of the issue, and we're going to do what we can to help this young man have success here and not have issues anymore."

UA released the following statement early Sunday morning: From Deborah Lane, Associate VP for University Relations: "UA is aware of the incident. The student has been referred to Judicial Affairs."

- See more at: https://alabama.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1751639#sthash.viQD5Voq.dpuf
 
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I can't see any way he stays on the team. DUI, assault - after all the winter conditioning, do you think there are guys (like Smith) who aren't reacting well to the pressure (or perhaps realization) that they are being upstaged by underclassmen and they won't be a starter? I'm not rationalizing the acts, just trying to understand why guys take a header during spring practice when we don't have any problems during winter conditioning.

RTR,

Tim
 
I was a proponent of Saban giving this kid a chance. Not anymore. He had his chance and just can't get it right. I don't understand hitting a woman. Belive me when I say that my wife knows where the line is and constantly steps over it and I applaud her for keeping me in line. I would never hit her. She is not only my wife, she is my life and I feel like that song about if and when she goes, you better dig 2.
 
Didn't we have a kid OD a year or 2 back that we'd given a second chance to after UT had given him the boot? Can't remember what that kid did at UT, but don't think it was domestic charges.

We remember the second chances that haven't worked out well, while there have been some that have.

But we have to be careful when casting stones at the Barn, Florida or whoever for giving guys like MarshLl or Newton a shot after screwing up at other schools. They can cast them right back at us. Unfortunately, The Barn has gotten more production from some of the guys they have given the second changes to.
 
@Rolltide24, it was Aaron Douglas. He transferred out of UT after a coaching change, Kiffin to Dooley I believe. He went to JUCO for a year and then came to BAMA. It wasn't that we were giving him a second change due to drug issues or something else.
 
March 29, 2015

Nick Saban dismisses Jonathan Taylor from team

Aaron Suttles
TideSports.com Senior Writer

Less than a day after being arrested on charges of domestic violence, defensive tackle Jonathan Taylor was dismissed from the University of Alabama football team, the school released Sunday afternoon.

Head coach Nick Saban, who in February defended his decision to bring Taylor into the program, released the following statement.

"Jonathan Taylor has been dismissed from the team and is no longer a part of our program.

"This will still need to go through the legal process, but when he was given an opportunity here, it was under strict guidelines and we made it clear there was a zero tolerance policy." UA Director of Athletics Bill Battle also released a statement.

"Representing this University is a privilege that none of us can take for granted. As I noted in my comments when the decision was made to allow Jonathan Taylor to attend the University on a football scholarship, I believe in second chances. I still do. However, being successful in that second chance requires responsibility and accountability. In Jonathan's situation, the University and the Department of Athletics set forth very clear standards of accountability and expectations of conduct.

"Jonathan was afforded a chance to successfully overcome the difficulties that resulted in his departure from the University of Georgia. Unfortunately, it appears that he was unable to do so, in spite of extensive efforts to assist him. All of us hope that Jonathan and the young lady involved can deal constructively with the issues that led to this situation, and their aftermath, so that both of them can have productive, healthy futures. Violent conduct by any representative of the University of Alabama athletics department will not be tolerated. More than ever, we take seriously the responsibility that all of us have to represent our University and our state in the best way possible - in competition and in daily life."

It wraps up a troubling weekend for the Crimson Tide program, one in which saw senior defensive back Geno Smith arrested for driving under the influence in the early morning hours Saturday followed by Taylor's arrest Saturday evening and eventual dismissal Sunday.

Saban is schedule to speak with reporters Monday evening.

- See more at: https://alabama.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1751765#sthash.pIjfij9a.dpuf
 
@Rolltide24, it was Aaron Douglas. He transferred out of UT after a coaching change, Kiffin to Dooley I believe. He went to JUCO for a year and then came to BAMA. It wasn't that we were giving him a second change due to drug issues or something else.

Uh, you do remember what happened to Douglas, right? I wouldn't think he'd be considered a success story.

Back to Taylor, I think a good headline would have been BAMA SACKS TAYLOR. I think he's been sacked twice and he had one sack in his collegiate career. When you've been sacked more than you've sacked, it's probably not a good thing.
 
Drivel, just drivel...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ith-jonathan-taylor-domestic-violence-arrests


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Nick Saban blew it with Jonathan Taylor domestic violence arrests
March 29, 2015 12:40 pm ET
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Nick Saban said he wanted to give Jonathan Taylor a 'second chance.' (USATSI)
There was shock expressed by some reporters and fans late Saturday when news broke that Alabama football player Jonathan Taylor had been arrested again for domestic violence. "Unbelievable," "wow," and "whoa" seemed to be the most common responses.

The public wonders how Taylor, four months after being indicted on two felony counts for hitting and choking his girlfriend in Georgia, could get arrested again on a similar charge given a reprieve by Nick Saban, if not a court of law. In this latest case that led to Taylor's arrest and resulted in his dismissal Sunday by Saban, the Tuscaloosa Police Department said a 24-year-old victim stated she was assaulted by her boyfriend and had "minor injuries to her neck from the assault," plus there was a punched hole in a bedroom closest door.

Sadly, the reaction of surprise about Taylor's latest arrest is part of the problem on the subject of men abusing women. There's such a huge disconnect in how America handles domestic violence and fervor for 340-pound defensive linemen that Saban could use terrible judgment to apparently think his process would change someone alleged to have hit and choked a woman.

"This is reprehensible," Kathy Redmond Brown, founder of the National Coalition Against Violent Athletes, said Sunday. "For anybody to think it wouldn't happen again is naive at best and completely false and lying at worst."

Saban blew it. Alabama athletic director Bill Battle blew it. The University of Alabama blew it.

And it has to stop. Powerful men such as Saban could be part of the solution by sending clear messages with actions, not just words, on where they stand on men hitting women.

At what point does a head coach get held accountable for signing players with known criminal backgrounds who get arrested again for similar behavior? As incredible as this sounds, does the SEC actually need a rule preventing one school from signing another school's ex-players who face pending felony charges even after their junior college rehab tour?

Taylor deserves his opportunity to work another case through the legal system. We all have rights. That's a big difference than deserving the opportunity and prestige of playing major college football through taxpayer-funded services.

On Sunday, Saban announced Taylor had been dismissed from the team. "This will still need to go through the legal process, but when he was given an opportunity here, it was under strict guidelines and we made it clear there was a zero tolerance policy," Saban said in a statement.

Alabama spokeswoman Deborah Lane released the following statement early Sunday morning: "UA is aware of the incident. The student has been referred to judicial affairs."

Battle said in a statement he still believes in "second chances" but that it requires responsibility and accountability. "In Jonathan's situation, the University and the Department of Athletics set forth very clear standards of accountability and expectations of conduct," Battle said. "Jonathan was afforded a chance to successfully overcome the difficulties that resulted in his departure from the University of Georgia. Unfortunately, it appears he was unable to do so, in spite of extensive efforts to assist him. All of us hope that Jonathan and the young lady involved can deal constructively with the issues that led to this situation, and their aftermath, so that both of them can have productive, healthy futures."

Saban is the highest-paid public employee in the state of Alabama. He shares a responsibility to create a safe campus in Tuscaloosa. (Adding to a disastrous weekend for Alabama, cornerback Geno Smith was arrested for the second time for driving under the influence.)

Instead of Saban lecturing the media about "second chances" -- and this was actually at least Taylor's third chance given a previous arrest on theft charges at Georgia -- maybe Saban should speak with people who know about the uglier side of a player.

Last month, Battle said "we thoroughly investigated numerous sources" and had "extensive discussions with several people" who are "very close" to Taylor. Saban had cited conversations with Taylor's high school and junior college coaches and mentioned unspecified behavioral stipulations imposed by Alabama on Taylor.
Here's who said they weren't contacted by Alabama: Georgia coach Mark Richt and Athens-Clarke County district attorney Ken Mauldin, the prosecutor in Taylor's first domestic violence case. Think they might have offered a different perspective?

Instead of Saban taking a chance with the safety of his university's campus, maybe he should talk to domestic violence experts. Some of them warned that another incident could happen and the potential legal implications for Alabama.

"Coaches and administrators are not stupid," Redmond Brown said. "They know that someone accused of domestic violence or sexual assault has high risk rates to do it again. This is the script. This is how they react. This is their coping mechanism.

"So unless you have somebody doing big-time intervention with them with a lot of psychological counseling over a period of years, you are going to get this. In my opinion, what Alabama was hoping is within the structure and protection of Alabama, that nothing would be reported. And that's a very different thing. I'm not surprised this happened again. I'm surprised the arrest became public."

Domestic violence is not a singular incident. It's deeply rooted in our culture and can be a hidden but constantly terrorizing factor for victims, some whom live in denial. Hitting a woman is about establishing control and fear in a relationship through violence.

Every nine seconds a woman is beaten in America. One in four women will be victims of severe violence by a partner in their lifetimes. There were 11,766 American women murdered by current or ex-male partners from 2001 to 2012 -- nearly double the number of American troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during that period.
Yet there's also "a narrative that women lie, women are dramatic, women can't be trusted," Redmond Brown said. "If a woman says she's been beaten, we don't know what that looks like. That's what's going in a lot of people's heads, until a Ray Rice video comes out."

This was Saban when I asked him in February if he's worried about the message he sent by signing a player with pending charges for hitting and choking his girlfriend.
"The guy was charged. There's no question about that," Saban said. "He was accused. I can't discuss the circumstances of all that. I've said this before: When people are young and they make a mistake -- and that is not a mistake that we condone in any way, shape or form, that it's any disrespect to any person, let alone a female -- that there isn't some occasion to not condemn them for life, but to give them another chance. And it's up to them to prove that they deserve that chance."
Redmond Brown gets furious when she hears the word "mistake" attached to domestic violence.

"This isn't a mistake," Redmond Brown said. "It's ingrained and it's wrong behavior, and I hate when people call it a mistake. What you teach people is you're making excuses for horrible behavior and you're setting a standard that it's OK. I talk to athletes all the time and they know what wrong looks like. But we dumb all these things down for them as if they don't know.

"Georgia kicks him out. He gets picked up by Alabama. What's the lesson? There is none. So why would he not do it again? Alabama basically became an enabler of his behavior. If this guy beat up his mother or grandmother, nobody would call it a mistake. But we look at a narrative that minimizes the impact to a woman because of all the things we've been desensitized to in society and then it's a mistake."

If you want to know why people become cynical of major college sports, stories like this offer sharp insight. If Alabama had not signed Taylor, someone else would have. That's what happens when you're a very large man who can play football well.

Even many Crimson Tide fans shook their heads in surprise a couple months ago at Saban's decision to sign Taylor. It's not as if Saban is short on talented players. Fans may hold the key to change coaches' own behavior on taking these risks.

"Nick Saban is obviously not going to change it," Redmond Brown said. "Administrators aren't going to change it because why mess with a team that's not broke? As long as the fans are appeased and go with it and support you while you're winning, who do you have to answer to? The fans can say we don't want to be known for this."
Someone in Alabama surely needs to say it.


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On the other hand, wouldn't being able to play for a nationally prestigious program be incentive NOT to screw up again? Saban didn't blow anything. On that note, Solomon needs to go find his buddy, Scarbo...
 
I definitely wasn't a proponent of us bringing Taylor in, but realized I didn't have all the facts. Aaron brings up a good perspective on this that I didn't take into account, the depth at the DL. Saban can handle this easily during the presser today and end the national talk about this. He needs to hit the head on.


 
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