🏈 The continuing saga of Johnathan Taylor

[TerryP]

@Bamabww Here's a question to think about for a bit.

The stipulations, if you will, placed on Taylor were set in stone: zero tolerance. Assuming this is the girl and assuming what she told the police was wrong, domestic violence (whether true or not) is still front and center.

So, define "zero tolerance." Are we to assume that even the mention of such, being around or questioned about such, falls outside of that stip?

 

[BamaFan334]

And a report now that she has been arrested for false reporting to the police.



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Well, he should keep better company. You're a football player at Alabama, you can find a quality woman that wants your attention instead of some crazy ass chick that will flip on you. In the end, he didn't change who he was and has not defended himself at all in this situation. So long.

 

[Bamabww]

@TerryP, I guess zero tolerance includes all those items you mentioned plus intimidation, which in this case and example may be the root of the problem.

 

[Rolltide24]

Raw deal, possibly... But wasn't there a hole punched in the wall probably made by a fist, and didn't she have some scratches on her neck? I don't think either one of them are innocent, but I'm in the peanut gallery.

Coming in with the chance he was given, to play for one of the top coaches in the college ranks and one of the best programs and with the clear cut opportunity to get to the league, zero tolerance to him should have meant staying clear from even the opportunity to get into trouble. I bet this isn't the first sign of trouble for this woman, but again, I'm speculating. But it's not likely some innocent, well raised girl with her mind on doing well in school just decided to fake an assault change against her man... I'm willing to bet there were signs that she was not a good candidate for a guy needing to completely avoid trouble.

 

[PhillyGirl]

I know. It's not unusual for victims to recant their statements.

I don't know how often those who press charges in situations like this are charged with falsifying police reports. That seems to be what's happened here based on a few threads I noticed over on TI this morning. I don't know how factual they are. If she did indeed lie to the police about what happened it's pretty easy to see how it'll play out.
You won't see much, if any, mention of it in the press. You will see people assuming/posturing that she was pressured into recanting her story.

All of this stinks to high heaven no matter which breeze you're facing.

Unfortunately, many real victims will go and report the abuser but end up taking it back due to guilt, pressure, stigma, fear, etc.

From my understanding, there are substantially more real victims who go about recanting than fake victims. I sincerely hope (for all parties involved) that no one was assaulted. These fake victims just make it harder for the real victims ..

 

[RTB X Bot]

 

[TheChief]

Taylor can be arrested, kicked off the team, and his name is released all over the world while his football coach gives a press conference about the situation. Yet, this woman is arrested and her name can not be released.

 

[BAMANEWSBOT]

The female accuser in the altercation that led to former Alabama defensive tackle Jonathan Taylor being arrested on domestic violence charges Saturday has recanted her accusations, according to a release from the Tuscaloosa Police Department.

Taylor, who was dismissed from Alabama's team Sunday following the incident, was charged with domestic violence third-degree assault and domestic violence third-degree criminal mischief.

The 24-year old accuser told police that she had been in a verbal confrontation with the 6-foot-4, 335-pound Taylor that turned physical, according to the release.

Police arrested Taylor after the accuser told them that he caused injuries to her neck and damaged property in her apartment.

She contacted police Monday to recant her claims and told investigators that Taylor had not harmed her during the incident.

The accuser was further interviewed by police Tuesday and maintained that she had lied about the details of the incident Saturday.

She was charged with false reporting to law enforcement and placed in county jail before being posting bond and being released.

The charges against Taylor will be reviewed at a later time.

An Alabama football spokesman was unsure as of Wednesday morning whether Taylor could be reinstated to the team.

Continue reading...

 

[bamafan4ever]

Unfortunately, many real victims will go and report the abuser but end up taking it back due to guilt, pressure, stigma, fear, etc.

From my understanding, there are substantially more real victims who go about recanting than fake victims. I sincerely hope (for all parties involved) that no one was assaulted. These fake victims just make it harder for the real victims ..

I will not take up for Taylor or this girl however her being arrested, to me, is telling. It doesn't sound like remorse to me it seems if she may have just out and out lied. It does make it hard for real victims, I agree.

 

[PhillyGirl]

I will not take up for Taylor or this girl however her being arrested, to me, is telling. It doesn't sound like remorse to me it seems if she may have just out and out lied. It does make it hard for real victims, I agree.

If guilty, she not only ruins her rep and Taylor's rep, but makes it harder for real abuse victims to be taken seriously. It's just like when rape is accused. I hate people

 

[planomateo]

This is a perfect example of why it is best to let things play out a bit before jumping to conclusions.

In reality, had the media/University let this play out a little longer, would it have ended any differently? I'm not a fan of the lynch mob mentality of social media these days and I often hesitate posting topics because I don't want to be included with that group.

 

[planomateo]

F'ing media wants to ignite a lynch mob day 1. After additional info hits the press you get nothing but crickets. These guys constantly throw rocks from a glass house. (And yes, I can snipe from the cheap seats all day long)

 

[BamaFan334]

Even with additional information, this guy was in a tight leash. Any disturbance would have caused his dismissal. TerryP said zero tolerance, well that means choir boy mentality, especially when it's your 3rd or 4th chance. He put himself in the situation, so he has to deal with the consequences. So let's not start saying poor Johnathon Taylor.

 

[bama alum]

At this point, Taylor needs to go to a small D2 school somewhere in the middle of nowhere, finish his degree, and hope and pray for a good combine.

 

[PhillyGirl]

Everyone is quick to attack the media for attacking Taylor when he was arrested .. but Saban ejected him "before all of the facts were known", just as the media attacked Taylor (and Saban) "before all of the facts were known".

So, what happens now? What will Saban say, and how will he respond to this situation? Very interesting and unprecedented (to my knowledge).

 

[UAgrad93]

@PhillyGirl, I think Saban is done with it. Like @TerryP said earlier, Taylor was under zero tolerance and I imagine strict guidelines as to what surroundings should and could be. He put himself in that predicament and left coach with no choice. Much like he did with Tyren Jones. He set guidelines for them to follow and they chose not to follow them to the letter.
Even though the girl truly falsified the report and did scratch her neck, the charges on Taylor were still there due to the fact he punched a hole in a door. That was plenty for Saban to cut ties with him.

 

[JoshB]

Everyone is quick to attack the media for attacking Taylor when he was arrested .. but Saban ejected him "before all of the facts were known", just as the media attacked Taylor (and Saban) "before all of the facts were known".

So, what happens now? What will Saban say, and how will he respond to this situation? Very interesting and unprecedented (to my knowledge).

Pretty sure Saban isnt gonna back down, he gave Taylor a "zero tolerance" second chance. If she lied about the abuse, he still put himself in a situation like that by his choices whether it was getting pissed or by being around a crazy chick. It sucks and maybe its a raw deal for him but he had the "Zero tolerance" because of his past. Had he not beaten a woman in his past he would have been given the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Max]

Another point of view I found posted on another site:
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I've shared before that I worked in an emergency room for a couple of summers while I was in college. I've seen a lot of DV victims recant, some with and some without obvious injuries. Many who recanted were probably liars on the front end, getting their significant others in trouble as revenge for some perceived slight. But others accused, recanted, then explained their flip as some form of, "well, I can't really afford to lose him because he financially supports me, is the father of my kids," etc. At the very least, Taylor's accuser's credibility is now shot. Whether he did or didn't assault her, the chances he'd ever get prosecuted for an non-aggravated DV charge against that particular woman is pretty much nil going forward, and certainly nil for the purposes of this case.

Having said all that, let's assume for argument's sake that she was just a spiteful ol' thing and made up the whole story because she caught him looking at another woman. Do you bring Taylor back?

Hell, how can you not?

I've got a real problem with false accusations, and I'm sure I'm not alone. If we look at this strictly through the lens of the legal process, there's not a lot of justification for costing Taylor his Alabama career based upon a lie. You can make the argument that Alabama never should have signed him in the first place, but that's a different argument and doesn't apply here.

The wild card in this is no one knows what (if anything) was said when UA met with (if they even did meet with) Taylor following the arrest. I know if I had been falsely accused and knew that my career was about to end, you'd have to get me off the top of Denny Chimes, because I'd be up there with a megaphone proclaiming my innocence. I'd have nothing left to lose at that point. It's very possible that Saban asked him if he did it and he said, "I didn't do what she said I did, but yeah, we scrapped a little," and at that point, the answer to the do-you-bring-him-back argument doesn't depend on the actual case anymore.

But if we find out in the end that this was a total fabrication from the ground up, I can't find the argument to get rid of the guy once you've already decided you could take him in the first place.

 

[Rolltide24]

I'm also not a fan of the lunch mob mentality of social media these days, but I am a fan of.... The Shocker! :bird: Just had to interject.

I'm not a fan of the lynch mob mentality of social media these days...

 

[SpecThis]

What if this is the most elaborate April fools joke ever


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