🏈 So, is Nick still one behind BEAR

[50+yeartidefan]

A friend...Kentucky fan...brought to my attention....that Kentucky....under BEAR...won the 1950 National Championship...looked it up and the Sagirin Rankings has KY as NCs...7th in AP....
And they not only claim it...its part of their display ....
May be weak..but 1941 is weaker and Bama claims...
So Nick...you still got some work ahead of you...sorry...
And...we all know...in the next few years this all will be a moot point..but...
(And we are between the last game and recruiting and Spring..)

 

[alabama mike]

Coach Bryant should also have one for 1966 as well but us older folks know what happened with that championship. If UK claims that title, and they should, CNS is still behind CPB. I also agree that 41 is weak but we claim it. If we look only at the modern era, then CNS and CPB are tied. Personally, I do not have an issue either way.

 

[crimsoncorner]

A friend...Kentucky fan...brought to my attention....that Kentucky....under BEAR...won the 1950 National Championship...looked it up and the Sagirin Rankings has KY as NCs...7th in AP....
And they not only claim it...its part of their display ....
May be weak..but 1941 is weaker and Bama claims...
So Nick...you still got some work ahead of you...sorry...
And...we all know...in the next few years this all will be a moot point..but...
(And we are between the last game and recruiting and Spring..)

I'd go by this list. It's recognized by the NCAA. FBS Football

I am a 50.5 year old fan. Rode with Coach Bryant in his golf cart, stood in his tower, and was invited to many practices over the years. He was bigger than life, but what Coach Saban has done with 85/25 rule, extreme parity across the nation, and playing 14-15 games each year compared to 11-12. he's past Coach Bryant. Folks can argue who is better all day. It;s subjective. I'm just glad to have witnessed both at Alabama. Btw, Coach Bryant NEVER won a NC at Kentucky recognized by AP or UPI! ... just a SEC Championship in 1950.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Coach Bryant should also have one for 1966 as well but us older folks know what happened with that championship. If UK claims that title, and they should, CNS is still behind CPB. I also agree that 41 is weak but we claim it. If we look only at the modern era, then CNS and CPB are tied. Personally, I do not have an issue either way.

Oh, Kentucky does and they should.

By the way, they beat the team that year who made the loudest claim of the 1950 title in the sugar bowl, Oklahoma. Doesn't get much more legit than that. They are not saying they are the only champs that year, but they legitimately are one of the four. Thems the rules.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I'd go by this list. It's recognized by the NCAA. FBS Football

I am a 50.5 year old fan. Rode with Coach Bryant in his golf cart, stood in his tower, and was invited to many practices over the years. He was bigger than life, but what Coach Saban has done with 85/25 rule, extreme parity across the nation, and playing 14-15 games each year compared to 11-12. he's past Coach Bryant. Folks can argue who is better all day. It;s subjective. I'm just glad to have witnessed both at Alabama. Btw, Coach Bryant NEVER won a NC at Kentucky recognized by AP or UPI! ... just a SEC Championship in 1950.

Saw also that u are somewhat new on forum....awesome bunch on here and look forward to more of ur insight and thoughts....us older fans are so privileged to be going through a second era of greatness in Bama football...
Roll Tide

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Coach Bryant should also have one for 1966 as well but us older folks know what happened with that championship. If UK claims that title, and they should, CNS is still behind CPB. I also agree that 41 is weak but we claim it. If we look only at the modern era, then CNS and CPB are tied. Personally, I do not have an issue either way.

Yeah, the modern era of college football for some reason seems to have a 1960 start date...dont know why that kinda sticks....
so if that is the landmark...fine with me...if its other thats fine also...
Still what happened in 60s and 70s with Bama football...and 2000s to present is incredible...

 

[TUSKtimes]

I'd go by this list. It's recognized by the NCAA. FBS Football

I am a 50.5 year old fan. Rode with Coach Bryant in his golf cart, stood in his tower, and was invited to many practices over the years. He was bigger than life, but what Coach Saban has done with 85/25 rule, extreme parity across the nation, and playing 14-15 games each year compared to 11-12. he's past Coach Bryant. Folks can argue who is better all day. It;s subjective. I'm just glad to have witnessed both at Alabama. Btw, Coach Bryant NEVER won a NC at Kentucky recognized by AP or UPI! ... just a SEC Championship in 1950.

Today, getting to the playoffs is almost a certainty, if you win the SECC.

Coach Bryant's SECC through the 70's:

1971 - Alabama
1972 - Alabama
1973 - Alabama
1974 - Alabama
1975 - Alabama
1977 - Alabama
1978 - Alabama
1979 - Alabama

 

[rick4bama]

But the thing is the AP was giving out before the Bowls game! Guess who Coach Bryant Kentucky team beat in the Orange Bowl on Jan. 1 1951? Yes! it was the No#1 team the AP just giving out to. The Oklahoma Sooner! The only team he lost to that year was Uten 0-7. That years his team gave up 55 points.

 

[JoshB]

Coach Bryant should also have one for 1966 as well but us older folks know what happened with that championship. If UK claims that title, and they should, CNS is still behind CPB. I also agree that 41 is weak but we claim it. If we look only at the modern era, then CNS and CPB are tied. Personally, I do not have an issue either way.

The Missing Ring, hell of a book.

 

[JoshB]

Yeah, the modern era of college football for some reason seems to have a 1960 start date...dont know why that kinda sticks....
so if that is the landmark...fine with me...if its other thats fine also...
Still what happened in 60s and 70s with Bama football...and 2000s to present is incredible...

They started giving out the AP National Champion after the bowl games in the late 60's. That's primarily why people only look at those titles. In the early days you had Golf Digest and other magazines and things like that giving out National Championships.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

They started giving out the AP National Champion after the bowl games in the late 60's. That's primarily why people only look at those titles. In the early days you had Golf Digest and other magazines and things like that giving out National Championships.

Thats right ...may have been 65....we went in to the bowls ranked 4.....1.2.3 all lost...

 

[TerryP]

They started giving out the AP National Champion after the bowl games in the late 60's. That's primarily why people only look at those titles. In the early days you had Golf Digest and other magazines and things like that giving out National Championships.

Not really ... especially with Golf Digest. If it wasn't for Tommy making the comment that he had a GD subscription and he'd write them and ask them to vote Auburn #1 they weren't in the "award" game.

That said, early on there were a few writers that voted (Whitney wrote for Harper's I believe.) I don't believe any of the recognized selectors were magazines. The NY Times is a recognized selector so there's one print publication. There's what ... 21, maybe 23 recognized selectors?

 

[JoshB]

Not really ... especially with Golf Digest. If it wasn't for Tommy making the comment that he had a GD subscription and he'd write them and ask them to vote Auburn #1 they weren't in the "award" game.

That said, early on there were a few writers that voted (Whitney wrote for Harper's I believe.) I don't believe any of the recognized selectors were magazines. The NY Times is a recognized selector so there's one print publication. There's what ... 21, maybe 23 recognized selectors?

The Football Annual, Spalding Football Guide, The Football Thesaurus, and I think Readers Digest even did it.

 

[JoshB]

Thats right ...may have been 65....we went in to the bowls ranked 4.....1.2.3 all lost...

66, Bama was the only undefeated, untied team in the country and Notre Dame and Michigan State were both ranked above them despite both teams turning down bowl games and the infamous "play for the tie" game that the two had. It's widely believed that was the national media punishing Alabama and Bear Bryant for still being segregated.

 

[rick4bama]

66, Bama was the only undefeated, untied team in the country and Notre Dame and Michigan State were both ranked above them despite both teams turning down bowl games and the infamous "play for the tie" game that the two had. It's widely believed that was the national media punishing Alabama and Bear Bryant for still being segregated.

Notre Dame wasn't at that time going to bowls games, not until around 1969. The Big 10 at that time was only sending out the winner of the Big 10. I think that stop around 1975 maybe? Anyway I don't think those voters wanted to see Bama winning it three straight years.

 

[JoshB]

Notre Dame wasn't at that time going to bowls games, not until around 1969. The Big 10 at that time was only sending out the winner of the Big 10. I think that stop around 1975 maybe? Anyway I don't think those voters wanted to see Bama winning it three straight years.

Big 10 only accepted Rose Bowl bids at that point, but had a stupid "no repeat" rule that said that the same team couldn't repeat in the Rose Bowl in back-to-back years. Michigan State went in 1965, so Purdue (who finished second) went in their place in 1966.

It's pretty common knowledge at this point, the reason Bama had no chance of repeating that year was the backlash over segregation. It had little to do with a 3-peat.

 

[TerryP]

The Football Annual, Spalding Football Guide, The Football Thesaurus, and I think Readers Digest even did it.

None of those are recognized NCAA selectors that I know. After thinking about this some more, and including publications we know of, we'd have to include the USA Today (up until mid 90's) but most of those yearly polls were in conjunction with CNN and the National Football Foundation. The Sporting News was a member but that's publication that started after the bowl games had been changed.

I know of The Football Annual, but like I said I don't believe they were a part. However, with that mention I do remember The Football News being a part and that publication is an old one.

If we get back into the era before the polls and then look for pubs we'd be in for a little research. I'm sure there are years where we can find 7-10 different selectors just for one team.

 

[planomateo]

They started giving out the AP National Champion after the bowl games in the late 60's. That's primarily why people only look at those titles. In the early days you had Golf Digest and other magazines and things like that giving out National Championships.

These days we have Auburn and UCF claiming titles...

 

[PhillyGirl]

I'd go by this list. It's recognized by the NCAA. FBS Football

I am a 50.5 year old fan. Rode with Coach Bryant in his golf cart, stood in his tower, and was invited to many practices over the years. He was bigger than life, but what Coach Saban has done with 85/25 rule, extreme parity across the nation, and playing 14-15 games each year compared to 11-12. he's past Coach Bryant. Folks can argue who is better all day. It;s subjective. I'm just glad to have witnessed both at Alabama. Btw, Coach Bryant NEVER won a NC at Kentucky recognized by AP or UPI! ... just a SEC Championship in 1950.

By that list we just have 14 championships (I mean, 1941 is a joke).

Great post though, it's definitely a very different landscape.

 

[crimsoncorner]

Saw also that u are somewhat new on forum....awesome bunch on here and look forward to more of ur insight and thoughts....us older fans are so privileged to be going through a second era of greatness in Bama football...
Roll Tide

Thanks and Roll Tide!

One big factor to me, is Saban has won all 6 of his on the field vs being awarded them by AP or UPI (USa Today)

2003 - #2 LSU beat #1 Oklahoma
2009 - #1 Bama vs #2 Texas
2011 - #2 Bama vs #1 LSU
2012 - #2 Bama vs #1 Notre Dame
2015 - #2 Bama vs #1 Clemson
2017 - #4 Bama vs #3 Georgia

Hair on a gnat's tail from 7th NC

2016 - #1 Bama lost to #2 Clemson

Saban’s also had 21 wins against teams ranked in the top 5 of the AP Top 25, the most ever by a coach. The rest of the Top 5 are Bobby Bowden (18), with Barry Switzer (15), Woody Hayes (15), Steve Spurrier (15) and Lou Holtz (15).

Alabama has been No. 1 at some point over the last 11 seasons. Overall, 123 of Alabama’s 126 regular-season games since 2008 have had national title implications, the three exceptions having all been during the 2010 season.

Like I said.... it's a great problem to have!

Roll Tide!