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[Nothing_But_A_Winner00]

This right here.

The couple of plays where JM4 was banged up against OU, Simpson shat the bed.

Apologists will say "but limited reps with 1s!"... But, you've GOT to be ready when called upon. This is big boy ball, now. You're getting paid to play football.

I'd venture to say that Simpson ain't ready for QB1. Doesn't have that killer instinct, and isn't chomping at the bit to prove himself. This is why many talking heads are already saying Russell will be the starter next year as a true frosh.

If Ty would've truly been anxious to grind that axe when he came in, and lit shit up and moved the ball on a scoring drive when Jalen was having his injury looked at, I guarantee KDB would've stuck with Simpson then, at least for the rest of that game.

But he didn't. He shat all over that opportunity. That should've squashed all the "Put Simpson in" perpetual complaints for much of the season.

Which circles back to what someone asked in a gameday thread a few weeks ago: if Milroe is this bad and KDB won't switch, then how bad is Simpson?

He was 0/1 against Oklahoma.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

To be fair to Ty, Milroe had time last year, an off-season this past year, and countless opportunities this year and still "shit the bed" as you put it. So I don't think dropping a guy in the middle of a game where sucking ass at is the best identifier in whether or not he's suitable to be our starting quarterback.

And your point is?

You're really going to prove my point for me while simultaneously insistently shilling for Ty?

If milticketfour was, in fact, the bed shitter you state, then what does that say about Simpson?

Think about it: KDB had no loyalty to Jalen, no previous relationship. His approach as a new coach in an already-established QB room was that of analytics and not favoritism, observed during practiced and scrimmages: "Who has the highest ceiling and gives us the best chance to win?"

It's the reason that by all professional accounts, Jalen will still be, despite your armchair opinion, one of the top 3 QBs drafted this Spring.

Look, I'm not pumping sunshine and drinking kool-aid here. Milroe DID have me scratching my head many times this year.

I'm just stating what KDB and draft analysts continue to observe about him.

And to your point in another comment: I've stated many times how eerily coincidental it was that Jalen had his worst games mere hours after new NIL deals were announced for him in the media.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Saban was the Jedi MASTER of using pressers to drive home messages to the team.

One of the many things that made him so great.... He wasn't just great at 1 or 2 things like a lot of coaches. Some can recruit their ass off but are average at best at most everything else. Others are great at organization and having their team ready to play, but are average at best at most everything else. Saban was some rare breed where he excelled in nearly every conceivable aspect of coaching, and knowing how to handle the players with the psychology he used was right up there. He's talked openly before about how he knew which players he could coach hard and which ones he had to handle a bit more delicately. There were times when a more "sensitive" player that didn't take well to hard coaching would screw up in a drill or some such. Saban would wait until another guy did the drill, someone who could handle his wrath, and even if his rep was right, he'd blow up on him and say what he really wanted to say to the other guy. But doing it this way sent the message indirectly and to the whole group and got the message across. I remember Will Lowery saying one time that he got his ass chewed out constantly for things other players did, but Saban knew it wouldn't bother him, so he took the fire.

 

[musso]

I still maintain, A LOT has to do with where these kids were in 2020; during COVID.

Here we go again… what do you mean? Where were they?

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

And your point is?

You're really going to prove my point for me while simultaneously insistently shilling for Ty?

If milticketfour was, in fact, the bed shitter you state, then what does that say about Simpson?

Think about it: KDB had no loyalty to Jalen, no previous relationship. His approach as a new coach in an already-established QB room was that of analytics and not favoritism, observed during practiced and scrimmages: "Who has the highest ceiling and gives us the best chance to win?"

It's the reason that by all professional accounts, Jalen will still be, despite your armchair opinion, one of the top 3 QBs drafted this Spring.

Look, I'm not pumping sunshine and drinking kool-aid here. Milroe DID have me scratching my head many times this year.

I'm just stating what KDB and draft analysts continue to observe about him.

And to your point in another comment: I've stated many times how eerily coincidental it was that Jalen had his worst games mere hours after new NIL deals were announced for him in the media.

Those same draft analysts had ND State QB Trey Lance as the next best thing as well. ESPN kissed his ass 24x7.

Best of luck to $4. Glad he is gone.

 

[BamaFan334]

And your point is?

You're really going to prove my point for me while simultaneously insistently shilling for Ty?

If milticketfour was, in fact, the bed shitter you state, then what does that say about Simpson?

Think about it: KDB had no loyalty to Jalen, no previous relationship. His approach as a new coach in an already-established QB room was that of analytics and not favoritism, observed during practiced and scrimmages: "Who has the highest ceiling and gives us the best chance to win?"

It's the reason that by all professional accounts, Jalen will still be, despite your armchair opinion, one of the top 3 QBs drafted this Spring.

Look, I'm not pumping sunshine and drinking kool-aid here. Milroe DID have me scratching my head many times this year.

I'm just stating what KDB and draft analysts continue to observe about him.

And to your point in another comment: I've stated many times how eerily coincidental it was that Jalen had his worst games mere hours after new NIL deals were announced for him in the media.

My point is that you putting one series in Oklahoma as the barometer for Simpson is pretty weak. "Oh, he looked bad in that series so that tells the tale on Simpson." So what does that say when you look at Milroe in the Michigan game in the first quarter? Or MANY other games he struggled a lot.

I don't care about him being a Top 3 draft quarterback, that isn't my point. Don't allow me to go back and pull all of the Top 5 quarterbacks in the Draft for the last 15-20 years and go pull their stats and see how they fared. Johnny Manziel, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, I can go on and one with that one.

A LOT of us are also of the impression that Milroe was never pulled simply due to the investment put into him by our collective and program. I don't buy "I saw the fire in his eyes" line, because that means zero when there is a theme we have all beat to death and I'm not gonna go there yet again since the point is moot now that the season is over and we are moving on. I just think it's a terrible take to put one series in a game our starting quarterback absolutely killed us, to put one series as an outlook on a game thrust into a crappy situation on the backup's ability. Simpson looked way better than Milroe on A-Day.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Maybe Milroe. Maybe game plan. Maybe the D skills on opposition

But 3 of the Ls was to @ or near 50% teams... same coaching staffs that lost near 50% of thei games

Bad coaching. Bad luck....
Should KD have punted in first series instead of going at near 50 yard line. The other team would have been deep in own territory when rain hit????? Bad luck. Bad coaching????

Just glad 24 over.
Good luck to JM. Will always remember....Grave Digger

 

[Rsedge72]

Defense played well enough to win Oklahoma and Michigan games. I’m pleased with the “progression” of that side of the ball.

I’m sure next season will be different on the offensive side of the ball. The “playbook/system” will be opened up.

Grubb would be huge if the rumors are true. Glad ‘24 is over also.

I’m a shmo talking like an AD and that I really have some solid input on the team!!!

 

[TerryP]

Here we go again… what do you mean? Where were they?

Yeah, here we go again. Where were you? Certainly not living life as you normally would.

Where were they?

These are things I've said, clearly, multiple times.

 

[mando]

You gotta remember: you can't coach up these kids very hard anymore like you could even 2-3 years ago.

I think the programs that are going to truly be successful will be the coaches that do this anyway and find a path to show kids this is the better way for you and the program in the long run. The old quote from CNS to Julio -"we are going to win with your or without you". Gotta figure out a way to still keep discipline and accountability in the program otherwise it will collapse anyway.

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

You can get a picture on the defense.

You can't get a true picture on the offense.

I agree. Credit is definitely due to the Defense.

I still maintain, A LOT has to do with where these kids were in 2020; during COVID.

Yes. This had been a drum that you beat for some time. And I agree 100%. To that point, because Bama did win the NC that year AND so many seniors & juniors left for the NFL, when most of the other rosters were retaining their rosters. What kind of a void range was created with Bama's roster Vs most everyone else? I think it explains UMs National champions with all their 17+ senior roster. It certainly impacted Jawjas last NCs.

I am VERY ready to get back to an equal roster depth footing with these COVID players gone.

 

[alabama mike]

I don't think folks are factoring just how much the symbiotic relationship of NIL and the transfer portal has affected things this year.

It hasn't blown up like it did (at least for us) until this year.

What do you think all that turnover does to roster morale and cohesion?

I think KDB managed it about as well as he could.

Vandy loss was a tough loogie to swallow, but again... Goes back to cohesion.

You gotta remember: you can't coach up these kids very hard anymore like you could even 2-3 years ago. They'll just pack up and leave with zero penalty, and most times, more money at the new place.

Tough spot for any coach to be in, and the primary reason the GOAT hung up his whistle because of the way it was trending outside of his control. Remember his Rece Davis post-retirement interview where he mentioned Miss Terry asking him, after an odd conversation about money with a recruit's mom, "Is this what we want to do now? (ie, this isn't the college football we love anymore)"

You gotta use kid gloves to correct them while also still recruiting your current players to stay with you?

How effed up is that, REALLY?

To top it all off: CKD's quandary this year was like that of a dude marrying a woman with kids already.

You other step dads out there know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

And from a GameDay personnel perspective, you had injuries and role identification problems on the OL all season, which affected the QB. Sure, he took gnarly sacks instead of chucking the ball into the bleachers a few more times than desired. But too many times, he was swarmed before he could finish his drop, most of the time with extra pressures. That also falls on the OL for rush recognition. OT sees a Star cheated a step inside of a slot receiver, you should KNOW a CB blitz is coming. THAT is coaching, specifically the OL coach. OU ate us UP with the corner/Star blitz. That, PLUS it would be reaaaaallllly nice if we could find another film-nerd stud with a 4.5 GPA and a field general mentality at Center like this guy
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He was not better than John Hannah IMO.

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

He was not better than John Hannah IMO.

He was not a more physical powerhouse like Hannah for sure. I think Hannah is to OL like Derrick Thomas was to DE.

However, Jones definitely smarter & talented enough to win all major trophies of the OL. His problem is that he wasn't as powerful as he needed to be in the NFL. That may be due to injuries though.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Here we go again… what do you mean? Where were they?

Beware the upside down smiley face

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Beware the upside down smiley face

The is the clown that lurks in the RTB street gutters...

 

[musso]

Beware the upside down smiley face

Followed by …

These are things I've said, clearly, multiple times.

…the dismissive retort whereby he expends energy in projecting the expectation that we read his every post, in every thread, and remember it for all time, rather than expending that energy by simply answering the damn question.

 

[TerryP]

Followed by …

…the dismissive retort whereby he expends energy in projecting the expectation that we read his every post, in every thread, and remember it for all time, rather than expending that energy by simply answering the damn question.

Oh gawd. Now you are just boring.

If you don't care for my responses, don't ask for them. I'll save you the anxiety...a first, for me, empathy.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

.

And there it is

 

[ElephantStomp]

I voted #1. CKD and staff did a great job under the circumstances. Losing to Vandy and that OU debacle isn’t great, but both of those are better than losing to ULM in year one.

Milroe wasn’t a CKD QB, but they did great with Milroe for the most part

 

[OldPlayer]

I voted #1. CKD and staff did a great job under the circumstances. Losing to Vandy and that OU debacle isn’t great, but both of those are better than losing to ULM in year one.

Milroe wasn’t a CKD QB, but they did great with Milroe for the most part

IMO, losing to Vandy (the perennial doormat of the SEC) is worse than losing to ULM. While Oklahoma has typically been a national contender in the past, they sucked this past year and could be considered the Vandy of 2024.