🏈 Scarbinsky: Alabama's don't-tell policy hurts Saban's oversigning defense

[TerryP]

I end up on different ends of conversations about a lot of media interactions. I'm betting it's because of my occupation in the industry and how long I've been in it.

I hate to make this comparison but it really is fitting. You probably know the story, some here may not so I'll repeat it.

Coach Bryant was once asked for a contribution of $10 for a media member who had passed away. His reply? "Here's $20, bury two."

I have a complete and utter disdain for inane questions whether they be at work, at pressers, at home, online...you name it. The way Saban handles those has earned my respect. Heck, I loved his pressers at LSU. I'd see 90% of their fan base complain about not getting enough information and really all they had to do was listen.

Listen.

Bringing UA93's comments into this...

I knew that Saban was coming to Alabama in November. So, those press conferences did catch my attention. He handled it like any one should for weeks saying, "I'm coaching Miami and I want these press conferences to focus on Miami."

Did the questions about Alabama stop? No, they increased to the point he addressed the media the way he did. Once that stone started rolling it didn't collect any moss.

However, you don't find other cases where you can say he's a liar like he's been described in this thread.

Am I justifying his actions? Perhaps in a manner I am. It's actually easy to do because I can understand those actions. I've created them often in other situations.

Now that I've had that diatribe, the focus is back on you.

At LSU, he didn't do anything that remotely resembled the media created fiasco in Miami. He signed a contract extension, Wayne flew in and landed him.

MSU? DiNardo had just come off a three win season. LSU offered Saban twice the amount of money he was making at MSU. He left before their bowl game which created some fan resentment.

In class, this is a situation where your instructor asks you to compare and contrast the three.

{On a side note, when you type a response this long, then hit "post quick reply," do you find that somewhat...well, weird?}

 

[foshman]

I end up on different ends of conversations about a lot of media interactions. I'm betting it's because of my occupation in the industry and how long I've been in it.

I hate to make this comparison but it really is fitting. You probably know the story, some here may not so I'll repeat it.

Coach Bryant was once asked for a contribution of $10 for a media member who had passed away. His reply? "Here's $20, bury two."

I have a complete and utter disdain for inane questions whether they be at work, at pressers, at home, online...you name it. The way Saban handles those has earned my respect. Heck, I loved his pressers at LSU. I'd see 90% of their fan base complain about not getting enough information and really all they had to do was listen.

Listen.

Bringing UA93's comments into this...

I knew that Saban was coming to Alabama in November. So, those press conferences did catch my attention. He handled it like any one should for weeks saying, "I'm coaching Miami and I want these press conferences to focus on Miami."

Did the questions about Alabama stop? No, they increased to the point he addressed the media the way he did. Once that stone started rolling it didn't collect any moss.

However, you don't find other cases where you can say he's a liar like he's been described in this thread.

Am I justifying his actions? Perhaps in a manner I am. It's actually easy to do because I can understand those actions. I've created them often in other situations.

Now that I've had that diatribe, the focus is back on you.

At LSU, he didn't do anything that remotely resembled the media created fiasco in Miami. He signed a contract extension, Wayne flew in and landed him.

MSU? DiNardo had just come off a three win season. LSU offered Saban twice the amount of money he was making at MSU. He left before their bowl game which created some fan resentment.

In class, this is a situation where your instructor asks you to compare and contrast the three.

{On a side note, when you type a response this long, then hit "post quick reply," do you find that somewhat...well, weird?}

I too have been in a lot of press conferences and I will agree that there are media members who are looking for a particular story, because their boss assigns it, and they have to ask questions that few others really care about. It can get frustrating, I get it. Also part of the job.

Saban is sometimes great with the media. He certainly has enough charisma to be so when he chooses to be so. He doesn't always choose to be so, to his detriment I think.

I love Bobby Knight as much as any of you guys love Saban. I can't justify all of his behavior, however. His Ivan Renko prank was the funniest stunt I've ever seen pulled on the media. The way he verbally abused people was sad and uncalled for.

With that said.

If the Miami job was done in November, why not just quit? It lets the team get a head start on replacing you, you get what you want, and there is no need to lie to the media. Or why not tell Alabama you're flattered but you have a job and aren't going to discuss their position until after the season, and make sure your agent does the same thing. I have more respect for the way he left MSU then I did for the way he left Miami. At LSU he coached out the bowl game but had just signed an extension. I think you don't sign the extension and then take another job.

What happened in Miami was that the deal was done/being finished and the media knew about it and Saban didn't want the word to get out. That's hardly a media creation.

My response. Tough. He has no control over what is and isn't reported once he makes the decision to leave a high profile job for another high profile job. To blame the media for doing their jobs seems petty.

And if he hates the media, and I make this same argument about anyone that complains about them, the go coach high school. He makes the money he makes because of fan interest which is fueled by the media. Cashing the checks is part of the upside. Having your life under the microscope is the downside. He can't expect to take the money, fame, and respect without the scrutiny and headaches.

 

[UAgrad93]

Terry, thanks for shedding more light onto the situation. Whether he had been contacted in November or July, to me he handled the questions how "he thought he should". He was under contract with the Dolphins and he tried to hold true to them. He doesn't have anyone to apologize to nor answer to in the end except himself and God.

 

[TerryP]

I love Bobby Knight as much as any of you guys love Saban. I can't justify all of his behavior, however. His Ivan Renko prank was the funniest stunt I've ever seen pulled on the media. The way he verbally abused people was sad and uncalled for.

A thread in itself soon...

 

['65 Cobra]

I too have been in a lot of press conferences and I will agree that there are media members who are looking for a particular story, because their boss assigns it, and they have to ask questions that few others really care about. It can get frustrating, I get it. Also part of the job.

Saban is sometimes great with the media. He certainly has enough charisma to be so when he chooses to be so. He doesn't always choose to be so, to his detriment I think.

I love Bobby Knight as much as any of you guys love Saban. I can't justify all of his behavior, however. His Ivan Renko prank was the funniest stunt I've ever seen pulled on the media. The way he verbally abused people was sad and uncalled for.

With that said.

If the Miami job was done in November, why not just quit? It lets the team get a head start on replacing you, you get what you want, and there is no need to lie to the media. Or why not tell Alabama you're flattered but you have a job and aren't going to discuss their position until after the season, and make sure your agent does the same thing. I have more respect for the way he left MSU then I did for the way he left Miami. At LSU he coached out the bowl game but had just signed an extension. I think you don't sign the extension and then take another job.

What happened in Miami was that the deal was done/being finished and the media knew about it and Saban didn't want the word to get out. That's hardly a media creation.

My response. Tough. He has no control over what is and isn't reported once he makes the decision to leave a high profile job for another high profile job. To blame the media for doing their jobs seems petty.

And if he hates the media, and I make this same argument about anyone that complains about them, the go coach high school. He makes the money he makes because of fan interest which is fueled by the media. Cashing the checks is part of the upside. Having your life under the microscope is the downside. He can't expect to take the money, fame, and respect without the scrutiny and headaches.

Just on the Miami situation, there is room to consider both sides. Why not announce in November? Perhaps all parties involved - CNS, UA, and Huizenga - thought it would be best to not disrupt not only Miami's season, but Alabama's as well. In November, Coach Shula was still coaching for a bowl berth. Miami was barely at halfway at that point. How does it serve them to force an interim coach situation? What about the continuing development of players? My understanding is that CNS was very open with Mr. Huizenga about all of this and Wayne knew that Saban belonged back in the college game. We are so quick to judge how people handle things without really knowing all of the circumstances. In fact, how do you know that all parties didn't agree to keep it quiet until after the season? These coaching change situations have gotten so sticky and sorted these days that it really leaves very few options for how people deal with them with respect to disclosure. Look at your own University's little trip on Lowder's plane to Kentucky - during November - to steal away Petrino?

Look, all I'm saying is that in this coaching carousel nonsense, we're either all saints all we're all sinners. It's not really justified for any one to sit and lord over the others judging their actions somehow more dispicable.

 

[Ump]

You're a jerk. :nana:

Haa Haa :slap: Been called worse!