🏈 Scarbinsky: Alabama's don't-tell policy hurts Saban's oversigning defense

The media with Saban is always going to be like this while Saban is the way he is. It reminds me of when I tell my kids not to do something or to not touch something they try and figure out ways to do it and get away with it. Saban isn't a media darling and he doesn't share much with the media, so while he is like that the media is going to do this very thing and Saban could care a less. Scabs is a moron and has always been one he is the Finebaum of print media, but he didn't just become that he has always been that way the same as Finebaum.
 
See? There is someone more offensive than Finebaum. Finebaum knows who and what he is and what he's doing. He's a rabble-rouser.

Scarbinsky seriously believes he a real journalist.
 
The media just irritates the hell out of me. I've been going back and forth with Andrew Bone from Scout on Twitter today about our class. He responding to me on NSD saying that Cyrus to AU made them #1 class but when he switched back over to Bama AU stayed put (well they moved down to 2) while Bama only moved up from #7 to #6. He then claimed its because AU and all those other teams signed MORE players (bama at only 22). He even conceded that Bama's is prolly the most deep in terms of talent. How does that make sense? Because you have more bodies than me yet I have more talent on mine, you get a higher grade?

Coach Saban gets destroyed by the media for "over signing" and then he only signs 22 and the class "isn't as good." Its ridiculous.
 
I'm not a big fan of Scout for that very reason Birdman. Year in and year out they're just not as good as others. Although I think Lugginbill is a moron for the most part ESPN is pretty good as is Rivals. Andrew Bone is a complete moron. I have had conversations with him through both email and twitter and his logic is flawed at best. I remember talking to Andrew when we signed Julio, Ingram, etc and he was hesitant to give us the #1 class because there were two other schools had better classes (Florida and I can't recall the other school) when everybody with an iq above 3 knew Alabama had the best class on paper than anybody else, but smart guy Andrew wasn't so sure, so after that he lost all credibility with me.
 
IIRC, Scout counts 25 vs Rivals on 20. Therein, the difference in the classes.

What's worth noting about the rankings isn't so much where the class comes in but the talent coming in...look at the average rankings of those players. Sure, Scout has us at six but there's only one school who has a higher average ranking for players.
 
I'm not really all that concerned with over signing per say, although it is a slippery slope, but I think Saban created this monster. Outside of Tuscaloosa few people are willing to accept him at his word as it pertains to program and career related topics.

He is the only coach who is unwilling to allow his methods or actions to be scrutinized. In the article Scarbinsky points out that Alabama alone omits infomation that is considered public domain for no good reason. If Saban doesn't want to be constantly questioned then he should open up and deal with the questions forthrightly. That's not Saban's style. It bothered him in the NFL. He can only change it by backing up what he says with proof. Until he does that the media will stay on the story, as they should, because its a story until its proven not to be.

Yet, he's the headline speaker for the Nike coaching clinic this year? Yet, the number of high school coaches that attend his clinic at UA are right at three and four times more than the other SEC schools?

Off a little on that one fosh...
 
Yet, he's the headline speaker for the Nike coaching clinic this year? Yet, the number of high school coaches that attend his clinic at UA are right at three and four times more than the other SEC schools?

Off a little on that one fosh...

There's a context issue here.

What I meant was when Saban refuses to answer questions, or makes definitive statements like 'no player has ever been removed from our program due to ability' its difficult to believe him unless you just love the guy. He's lied too many times to the media to expect his word to be taken at face value. Bobby Knight, who I love, was the same way. Despite that he is considered the most knowledgeable coach ever in terms of basketball knowledge.
 
There's a context issue here.

What I meant was when Saban refuses to answer questions, or makes definitive statements like 'no player has ever been removed from our program due to ability' its difficult to believe him unless you just love the guy. He's lied too many times to the media to expect his word to be taken at face value. Bobby Knight, who I love, was the same way. Despite that he is considered the most knowledgeable coach ever in terms of basketball knowledge.



lied?
 
There's a context issue here.

What I meant was when Saban refuses to answer questions, or makes definitive statements like 'no player has ever been removed from our program due to ability' its difficult to believe him unless you just love the guy. He's lied too many times to the media to expect his word to be taken at face value. Bobby Knight, who I love, was the same way. Despite that he is considered the most knowledgeable coach ever in terms of basketball knowledge.

Besides the well publicized Miami stories—which I don't hold against him considering the pressure...but do think he handled it wrong in the end—what instances are you referring to?

You know Bran well enough, and follow college football well enough to know, that a lot of the players we've seen in the program and transfer did so legitimately.

What gets on my nerves? I mentioned it earlier.

I know you like Auburn and I don't hold that against you because you are a fan of football...not just a football fan. It's Auburn leading the SEC in oversigning. Hell, we've got five SEC schools with more signees than Bama over the last eight years.
 
There's a context issue here.

What I meant was when Saban refuses to answer questions, or makes definitive statements like 'no player has ever been removed from our program due to ability' its difficult to believe him unless you just love the guy. He's lied too many times to the media to expect his word to be taken at face value. Bobby Knight, who I love, was the same way. Despite that he is considered the most knowledgeable coach ever in terms of basketball knowledge.

To follow up 4th-and-1, Too many times? How about a list. We all know he backtracked about not coming to Bama (which I believe at the time he said it could have been true), but you make him out to be some kind of serial liar.
 
That "lied" issue in Miami was a crock and everyone knows it! What was he supposed to say, "yeah, I'm heading to BAMA right after I get finished talking to you A**HOLES!" Didn't anyone pay attention besides CNS about what happens when you pop off at the mouth like the Falcons coach did around that very same time? He said he would crawl on his hands and knees to go take the Washington Huskies job. Atlanta fired his A** the next day. Did he get that job? NOPE!! For what it's worth, Moore didn't get to speak to him until a later date!
 
FWIW guys...the deal with Saban was almost set in stone in November of that year. Yes, he wasn't telling the media the truth. He was coaching the Dolphins at the time and that is what he wanted the pressers focused on.

Can you blame him for that?

Funny, no one refers to Wayne encouraging to go back to the college ranks when he found out that's where his "heart was."
 
I've got to admit fosh...I do find it a bit ironic that you refer to some things and don't mention the "pinebox from Ole Miss" comment. You said you respected him a lot. I do, in some areas.

I am tempted to pull the "pot calling kettle" line here...
 
The problem with the media is that they have this thing in their brains that says "we're entitled to know everything from coaches when we ask". With how he handled things in Miami even he said he regretted how things were handled with that, but what was he supposed to say?

As for the outside of Tuscaloosa comment that just doesn't hold any water to me. His Nike camp is the most popular clinic in the country, ESPN has had his face all over the network and even invited him to give analysis on the NC. He doesn't treat the media well at times and that is why some of the media treats him the way that they do.

An Auburn fan having a comment about Saban not being truthful is funny to me.. "Pine box from Ole Miss" ring a bell?
 
Besides the well publicized Miami stories—which I don't hold against him considering the pressure...but do think he handled it wrong in the end—what instances are you referring to?

You know Bran well enough, and follow college football well enough to know, that a lot of the players we've seen in the program and transfer did so legitimately.

What gets on my nerves? I mentioned it earlier.

I know you like Auburn and I don't hold that against you because you are a fan of football...not just a football fan. It's Auburn leading the SEC in oversigning. Hell, we've got five SEC schools with more signees than Bama over the last eight years.

The Miami issue is a big one, he did the same thing at MSU and LSU before leaving them. There were instances at Miami where he was called out by the press for disseminating information that he knew was incorrect. I softened on my personal stance about coaches being honest, because the profession simply doesn't reward honesty. And I have no doubts that he is an honest man with friends and family in reality. The perception based on how he has left jobs and dealt with the media in the past is that he is not above lying outright, which makes it difficult to trust his word at face value, unless you are a fan.

As for oversigning, I really don't have a strong feeling towards it. It's a clear advantage for the teams that do it but it's up to the other teams to close that loophole. I do think it allows for the potential of dishonesty from coaches, and if you don't think there are some/many coaches who would fudge the facts to get rid of a player just because they wanted to then you are kidding yourself. Saban remains the poster child for over signing because of how he chooses to handle it. He's far from the worst offender, if it's considered an offense. Refusing to entertain questions about oversigning to the point of snapping at reporters and blaming "the media" makes him seem like he's hiding something to many people.

As for Auburn, Tubs loved over signing. And he was terrible at it his last 2 seasons. Fairly and McCaleb were each signed to two consecutive recruiting classes and I think about 40% of the players CTT signed his last 2 seasons never set foot on campus. That left a lot of slots open for Chizik. Hell we signed 32 last year and 31 were on our roster this year because we had the space to invite 7 early entries (Shon Coleman was the exception due to his battle with leukemia, though there was a spot for him also.)

I think we have 2 open scholarships currently, maybe 3.

I will say that the day Auburn takes a scholarship away from a player, or forces a gray shirt on them, I'll be a little upset.

And as for "the pine box from Ole Miss..." Like all others that have done the same thing, it could have, and should have, been handled better. But 1 time is a mistake. 3+ times is a pattern.
 
That "lied" issue in Miami was a crock and everyone knows it! What was he supposed to say, "yeah, I'm heading to BAMA right after I get finished talking to you A**HOLES!" Didn't anyone pay attention besides CNS about what happens when you pop off at the mouth like the Falcons coach did around that very same time? He said he would crawl on his hands and knees to go take the Washington Huskies job. Atlanta fired his A** the next day. Did he get that job? NOPE!! For what it's worth, Moore didn't get to speak to him until a later date!

The situation was difficult, but it was created by Saban and no one else. He had several other options. In choosing to take the Alabama job, in the way he did, he sacrificed his reputation for being truthful. He decided that the Alabama job was more important than his reputation.
 
Besides the well publicized Miami stories—which I don't hold against him considering the pressure...but do think he handled it wrong in the end—what instances are you referring to?

You know Bran well enough, and follow college football well enough to know, that a lot of the players we've seen in the program and transfer did so legitimately.

What gets on my nerves? I mentioned it earlier.

I know you like Auburn and I don't hold that against you because you are a fan of football...not just a football fan. It's Auburn leading the SEC in oversigning. Hell, we've got five SEC schools with more signees than Bama over the last eight years.

To me it's about perception if I say "Ump is a jerk", "Ump is a jerk", "Ump is a jerk" and I say if often enough everyone thinks I'm a jerk. They consider it a fact without knowing a single fact about me. The same goes for Bama and recruiting and the scab knows it.
 
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