| NEWS Saban gives injury update on Tua Tagovailoa after Tennessee game - 247Sports (tightrope ankle procedure this morning,)

[Tidestalker]

Don't go "josh" on us here. Saying he has zero chance to escape pressure? Come on, man. Trask was only sacked twice by LSU and he was injured going into the LSU game.

This "very active defensive backfield" you speak of has six teams ranked higher in passing efficiency defense in conference: Auburn and A&M two of those six and we both know what their back seven looks like.

It's not all about what happened at Vandy. That's a small part of the story. It's about what this season has shown thus far. LSU, on defense, is middle of the pack this season (53rd out of 130.) Overall, SEC only: Alabama, UGA, Missouri, Auburn, Florida, UofSC, A&M, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State are all better on defense this season (DFEI.)

Are people right when the say "LSU's defense isn't what it used to be this season?" Oh yeah, they're right. There is no doubt.

I'm not worried about their D... More worried about ours.

And in order to keep up we will need to score a lot of points. Anything under 30 I have very little confidence in winning that game. From what I've seen from Mac I think that's about where he tops off... Even against a middling D.

Let's just hope Tua is reasonably healthy. @jdpas29 mentioned the Saban dynasty not being built on great QB play... And he's right. But that's also in the past. The game has changed so much in the past few years and not in favor of the defense. I worry that our youth and a couple weaknesses on that D can't support a "game manager" performance vs LSU. I do agree with him that the run game can improve and I loved what I saw from N. Harris last weekend... Not sure that can be our biggest threat though.

Good Convo, by all.... RTR

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Again...all think mac.....i think another Tagavoila may step up,....
See vs Arkansas........mac starts and if offense is ineffective .....
Who knows....

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

Tualia still has 2 games he can play in if needed and still keep his shirt. Doubt we need him against Arkansas anyway.

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

Umm, yeah, I know it rained on both teams, that's why I said that. Both teams were pretty awful on offense even with the points scored. Florida is able to throw the ball more though, and you're just not very astute if you haven't noticed they do have weapons on offense.

Backup quarterback that hasn't started a game since 9th grade too.
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Once again, doesn't matter what you're saying about Texas and Oklahoma because the score shows that Texas was right there beside Oklahoma a majority of the game, not just at the end. If Oklahoma was so dominate, how come they didn't in fact steamroll Texas like you said should have happened? It's all opinion on your end, no facts. Oklahoma turned the ball over twice, and I don't consider giving up over 300 yards clamping down on anyone.

Look up dominate vs dominant.

Check the stats of the game. How many yards did LSU allow to Texas? You are a clown.

 

[BamaFan334]

Don't go "josh" on us here. Saying he has zero chance to escape pressure? Come on, man. Trask was only sacked twice by LSU and he was injured going into the LSU game.

This "very active defensive backfield" you speak of has six teams ranked higher in passing efficiency defense in conference: Auburn and A&M two of those six and we both know what their back seven looks like.

It's not all about what happened at Vandy. That's a small part of the story. It's about what this season has shown thus far. LSU, on defense, is middle of the pack this season (53rd out of 130.) Overall, SEC only: Alabama, UGA, Missouri, Auburn, Florida, UofSC, A&M, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State are all better on defense this season (DFEI.)

Are people right when the say "LSU's defense isn't what it used to be this season?" Oh yeah, they're right. There is no doubt.

I'm not saying he's incapable. I have always pulled for Mac, but I just don't think he has the chops to take on an Active LSU defense for an entire game. Taulia has that ability to miss blitzers and outrun linemen, so I just think he would be better.

I mean, I agree, they aren't world beaters and aren't statistically leading the country, but they have some solid athletes back there. You could say the same thing about our secondary that they are performing better than stats show though.

 

[BamaFan334]

Look up dominate vs dominant.

Check the stats of the game. How many yards did LSU allow to Texas? You are a clown.

Can't have one without the other, so what exactly is your point there?


I'm the clown? Says the guy that states Oklahoma steamrolled Texas and yet the game was between 3-7 points for most of the game. "it wasn't that close of a game, yet the score was a seven point difference". Oklahoma led by more than seven points for a total of ten minutes of the game, in which Texas answered. I'll let you do the math on how long the came was within one possession. You can do simple subtraction, right? Go home dude, you're old back page news at this point.

 

[#80]

According to CNS no real timeline for Tua return. Read into it what you want.

Saban: There's 'no real timeline' for Tua's return

Alabama quarterback Tua Tagovailoa will participate in only non-weight-bearing activity for several days before beginning traditional rehab and there's "no real timeline for his return," coach Nick Saban said Monday.

www.espn.com

 

[TerryP]

I'm not saying he's incapable. I have always pulled for Mac, but I just don't think he has the chops to take on an Active LSU defense for an entire game. Taulia has that ability to miss blitzers and outrun linemen, so I just think he would be better.

What are you basing that upon? His 40? 20 shuffle? There's no difference between the three of them: Tua, Mac, and Lia. The only empirical data we have on Lia are his SPARQ numbers and they mirror the depth chart.

 

[BamaFan334]

What are you basing that upon? His 40? 20 shuffle? There's no difference between the three of them: Tua, Mac, and Lia. The only empirical data we have on Lia are his SPARQ numbers and they mirror the depth chart.

I'm going on my own eyes and what I am seeing. A 4.5 does not translate the same for each player. Mac just didn't look prepared. Taulia looks more like Tua did when he came in against Georgia. He just appears more fluid and not as stiff. Now that's largely based off of high school tape and a little A-Day, but it's just how I feel. Mac just hasn't shown me much more than a guy that the game is moving too fast for.

 

[TerryP]

According to CNS no real timeline for Tua return.

followed by...

...

"But the expectation is he will be non-weight bearing for several days and then he'll be able to come back as his rehab allows him," Saban said. "We're hopeful that in a 10-day period, he'll be back being able to do active-type rehab, and we'll see how it goes from there. But these things are pretty unpredictable at this point." ​

 

[TerryP]

I'm going on my own eyes and what I am seeing. A 4.5 does not translate the same for each player. Mac just didn't look prepared. Taulia looks more like Tua did when he came in against Georgia. He just appears more fluid and not as stiff. Now that's largely based off of high school tape and a little A-Day, but it's just how I feel. Mac just hasn't shown me much more than a guy that the game is moving too fast for.

FWIW, I appreciate the caveats "how I think" and "how I feel."

 

[BamaFan334]

FWIW, I appreciate the caveats "how I think" and "how I feel."

Yeah, hard to be factual when they both haven't experienced the same situations or near like ones.

 

[TideatMileHigh]

It figures the moment Alabama finally gets the super star at QB that Bama fans have dreamed about for generations, that he turns out to be made out of paper mache lmao.

Mac Jones will do alright. No he won't be Mr. Perfect, and I'm sure all the Taulia ass kisses will demand he be the starter, but I do think he will be serviceable in a fashion on par with Coker in 2015.

What I am concerned about is the defense and its lacking ability to pressure an old boomer on his walker. The coaching and player turnover is rearing its ugly head right now on that side of the ball. Its imperative that Alabama maintain cohesion within the staff this year.

 

[JoshB]

A few things here convince me you've been living under a rock.

One, the notion that every single person in the stadium knew blitzes were coming and two, your reference to Jalen.



LSU hasn't obliterated anyone on defense this season. No one. If you'd like to compare the two unit's, we can. There's a distinct difference between the two. LSU's performance on defense this season has been with a lot of experienced guys just getting beat. They haven't taken a step back, they've leap-frogged over a decade of good defense in their digression.


Welp, wrong before he takes a snap. Mac doesn't "suck." He never has. It does fit into the hyperbole found here, Josh.

There is no magically here. What you've brought up has already been discussed in this thread as it was last year. Jalen's doctor said he'd be ready to being rehab in a few days after his procedure. The staff has stated he didn't put in the work to come back as quickly as he could have, and should have. Barely walk? Hyperbole squared.

It's telling you want to point to Jalen and dismiss Cam when his procedure was done several years ago and has only gotten better. Now, that was mentioned in this thread as well. And, to make it worse, no comparison to Tua himself?


Again, hyperbolic. Mississippi State put 21 first downs on the board last week and that's the lowest number of 1st downs allowed this season. Florida, 22. Are you going to try to convince us that either offense is better than Bama's with Mac at the helm? Utah State puts 32 on the board.

A few first down turnovers? What are you trying to say here?

With injuries and surgeries there's always the unknown. Prothro, with the rod inserted ... wasn't benign. No one could have seen that coming. However, when you look at the track record of Bama with ankle injuries and combine it with the success we've seen from Dr. Waldrop? It's a heavy lean towards him being ready.

The noteworthy thing in all of this is Tua has already proven he can come back in three weeks. He did it last year on a different ankle all the while nursing a bad knee. Now, we've got a sprain that's not as serious as the one last year met with this kind of doubt? And, if I'm understanding you correctly, that doubt you're feeling is all from Jalen's situation? It doesn't pass my logic test.

No, no one could tell when linebackers or a safety crept within 2 inches of the line on third downs... against a dude that looked like he was terrified... that they were totally blitzing. You would have to be a freaking genius to figure that one out.

Couch it however you want, a Mac Jones-led Alabama office isn't moving the ball against LSU. Period. That's my view on it and like I said, if he proves me wrong I would gladly admit it.

The staff "has stated" where? I haven't seen this at all and I def. don't buy that in regards to Jalen, but "hyperbole squared?" Sure, Terry.

WATCH: Jalen Hurts doesn’t look healthy enough to play against LSU during pregame warmups

The Crimson Tide needed a second quarterback in the first quarter.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

Where have I dismissed Cam Robinson's return from injury? I must have missed that. I simply don't see the point in comparing an offensive lineman's return to a guy that will likely have to scramble around and make cuts...

Neither offense has the weapons that Alabama has but it takes a competent QB to get the ball to them. I do not believe Mac Jones to be that.

That he will likely turn the ball over? Was that one that hard to deduce?

I'm not just basing it on, oh Tua had a procedure done in his ankle so he won't be ready guess. I'm basing it on every single report that has come being that the injury was a lot worse than they hoped.

 

[Bama Guy]

Can we borrow Jalen?

 

[TerryP]

The staff "has stated" where? I haven't seen this at all and I def. don't buy that in regards to Jalen, but "hyperbole squared?" Sure, Terry.

So, I'm making shit up now? Is that it? Couch this however you want ... if you missed that it's on you.

Couch it however you want, a Mac Jones-led Alabama office isn't moving the ball against LSU. Period. That's my view on it and like I said, if he proves me wrong I would gladly admit it.

Bama, with their offensive weapons, can't move the ball against LSU when we've seen teams with no where near the talent move the ball against LSU. No foundation for such a statement.

Where have I dismissed Cam Robinson's return from injury? I must have missed that. I simply don't see the point in comparing an offensive lineman's return to a guy that will likely have to scramble around and make cuts...

Okay, let's set Cam aside and consider the last time Tua had this procedure and was back in a matter of a few days. That's as apples to apples as you can get.

 

[JoshB]

So, I'm making shit up now? Is that it? Couch this however you want ... if you missed that it's on you.

Bama, with their offensive weapons, can't move the ball against LSU when we've seen teams with no where near the talent move the ball against LSU. No foundation for such a statement.

Okay, let's set Cam aside and consider the last time Tua had this procedure and was back in a matter of a few days. That's as apples to apples as you can get.

No clue, where you got that info from. Me saying that I haven't seen those reports and I doubt them is not me accusing you have "making shit up," though. Settle down, chief.

K...

I wouldn't call being able to play in three weeks a "matter of a few days" but okay. Again, we never heard anything of the such of it being "bad" like we are with this one. That's where my thinking of it taking longer to heal than last time. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[94 Grad]

If this team is make it or break it on one player... then it's not a championship team anyway. Settle down and let them play ball. It'll be just fine.

 

[TerryP]

No clue, where you got that info from. Me saying that I haven't seen those reports and I doubt them is not me accusing you have "making shit up," though. Settle down, chief.

Bro, 'net discussions about football don't rile me up in the least. There's no down to settle. I know the story of Jalen was shared with the group here. I know it wasn't a secret.

It wasn't posted (by me at least) when we were in the middle of Jalen's recovery and you know well I'm not one to post anything derogatory about players when they are still members of the team. Jalen dropped the ball there.

I wouldn't call being able to play in three weeks a "matter of a few days" but okay. Again, we never heard anything of the such of it being "bad" like we are with this one. That's where my thinking of it taking longer to heal than last time. I hope I'm wrong.

I never said he would be ready to play in a matter of a few days. I've pointed to a few things, specifically.

We should hear about him being in the anti-gravity treadmill within a week which would be nine days after his surgery. Last year, on day nine, he was doing a lot of footwork drills with the team (video is in this thread.)

You're using the world "we never heard anything..." and that needs to be narrowed down. I've not heard, or read, anything indicating it was as bad, or worse, than the last one. I saw Suttles getting his "face time" with a tweet but he back-tracked that one pretty quickly when people called him out.

 

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