| FTBL Rashad Johnson arrested...

[TerryP]

If you want to put some kind of restrictions in place, put them on establishments. For instance, we've had a few get in trouble at the Legacy.

Coach Mike Price set the example. :lol:

He did cross my mind when I posted that because he was given restrictions (asked by Coach Moore to avoid certain places) and he ignored them. We know the rest of his story.

It's not unheard of for a head coach to put restrictions on certain establishments.

Add to that, there are places in town that actually look after players as well.

 

[Guest]

If you want to put some kind of restrictions in place, put them on establishments. For instance, we've had a few get in trouble at the Legacy.

Coach Mike Price set the example. :lol:

I guess his restrictions prohibited him from going to a much nicer strip club.

 

[bamanaf]

If you want to put some kind of restrictions in place, put them on establishments. For instance, we've had a few get in trouble at the Legacy.

Coach Mike Price set the example. :lol:

He did cross my mind when I posted that because he was given restrictions (asked by Coach Moore to avoid certain places) and he ignored them. We know the rest of his story.

It's not unheard of for a head coach to put restrictions on certain establishments.

Add to that, there are places in town that actually look after players as well.

I'm thinking you could restrict certain troublesome places but guys (especially athletes) will always want to be around drinks and women. They probably all frequent these same "Hot" places due to the fact it has the best prices on beer and the hottest ladies. As a coach you wouldn't want to take that away would you? :lol: After all, testosterone fuels aggressive play.

 

[TerryP]

I'm thinking you could restrict certain troublesome places but guys (especially athletes) will always want to be around drinks and women. They probably all frequent these same "Hot" places due to the fact it has the best prices on beer and the hottest ladies. As a coach you wouldn't want to take that away would you? :lol: After all, testosterone fuels aggressive play.

I understand that and it was part of my reasoning when I said the curfew wasn't a good idea. But, when you have a place where more than one athlete has found trouble with bouncers and the police I don't see a thing wrong with saying "this place is off-limits." It's the same place Simeon found trouble when he was leaving last year, FWIW. (and we know that story was overboard)

I've never been to the Legacy, so I can't describe what the atmosphere is like...

I'm reminded of a quote from JF Kennedy when he said, "It's only a mistake if it isn't corrected." (or something along those lines)

 

[Guest]

From al.com....

The bar was closing and Legacy security personnel were escorting an un-named subject from the bar. Another man, later identified as Johnson, attempted to intervene and pushed one of the security officers who fell out of the front doorway and onto the ground.

TPD officers then moved in and took Johnson into custody after a brief struggle.


OK, I know he was probably drinking and obviously tempers were flaring but when the police show up it's certainly not the time to struggle. Geesh, use common sense if not before the police then at least afterwards. :roll:

 

[bamanaf]

I'm thinking you could restrict certain troublesome places but guys (especially athletes) will always want to be around drinks and women. They probably all frequent these same "Hot" places due to the fact it has the best prices on beer and the hottest ladies. As a coach you wouldn't want to take that away would you? :lol: After all, testosterone fuels aggressive play.

I understand that and it was part of my reasoning when I said the curfew wasn't a good idea. But, when you have a place where more than one athlete has found trouble with bouncers and the police I don't see a thing wrong with saying "this place is off-limits." It's the same place Simeon found trouble when he was leaving last year, FWIW. (and we know that story was overboard)

I've never been to the Legacy, so I can't describe what the atmosphere is like...

I'm reminded of a quote from JF Kennedy when he said, "It's only a mistake if it isn't corrected." (or something along those lines)

Your right, this place is bad news plus the bouncers dont seem to be giving them any "star" treatment so the players can't be expecting any favorable circumstances when they do get into trouble. The Legacy aint leaving such a good legacy. '!@#

 

[Dalton Tider]

You don't need to be out at 2:55 am unless you went to bed at 9:00 pm and you got up at 2:55am to go deer hunting.

 

[Guest]

all in all, this is getting ridiculous. they are making the university look terrible. something needs to happen... and soon. :roll:

 

[It Takes Eleven]

all in all, this is getting ridiculous. they are making the university look terrible. something needs to happen... and soon. :roll:

It all goes back to their upbringing. I think it was Bobby Bowden who was asked how the kids had changed over the past 30 years. He said the kids hadn't changed a bit, but it was the parents (and parenting) that had changed. I'm not saying that to say blame the parents - they're young adults and are responsible for their actions - but if they lack the moral foundation, they're far more likely to find trouble.

RTR,

Tim

 

[Outlaw]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

 

[moreno_iv]

Regardless of his upbringing or whether there is a curfew, attempting to intervene with bouncers at a bar and then "struggling" with them is just plain stupid. It doesn't matter if it's your best friend and you think he's being wronged, it's not like it a life and death struggle.

It's a freaking bar, for God's sake.

It's not like life is gonna end or anything else if someone is kicked out of a bar. Life will go on and everything will be just fine. Let the guy get escorted out, check your ego at the door and quit being such a danged hot-head.

Inexcusable if you ask me.

 

[moreno_iv]

However, I'm sure this will help us move up in the Fulmer Cup Standings....................






:lol:

 

[JoshB]

ill be the first to say this was stupid and unnecessary on Rashad's behalf, but some of u guys saying stuff like "i thought he was a good guy" and stuff like that is ridiculous and that other statement of "they'll be choppin rocks before long" is just retarded. acting like the guy went into a strip club, beat up the bouncers and strippers, and threatened to kill em. he got into with some bouncers. it was stupid, but damn lighten up. Saban will take care of it.

 

[imported_Porter]

Saban will take care of it.

As will Rashad's father, I'm quite sure.

 

[TerryP]

With everyone of these situations if you search around the forums you can find dozens of different recommendations on how people think this situation should be handled.

These kids do get punished. Some, from the football perspective and from the parental side. I'm reminded of when JPW had his DUI. Just an example, but his parents took away his SUV for the entire fall semester.

But, back to all of these suggestions.

What strikes me as amusing is the supposition that there aren't measures in place already. We had a certain player on our offense almost get arrested this past fall outside of a bar for running his mouth when the cops were dealing with a friend of his. Saban found out about it and dealt with it by controlling his schedule. Call it a curfew, if you like, call it whatever. But, the kid was forced to study taps for several weeks.

Bottom line.

The other players know they'll be disciplined if they cross the line. It helps with some, others either ignore it or quickly forget about it in the heat of the moment.

FWIW, that was that kids second time to come across a situation with the cops, the first one was under Shula.

 

[laurajmoss]

all in all, this is getting ridiculous. they are making the university look terrible. something needs to happen... and soon. :roll:

It all goes back to their upbringing. I think it was Bobby Bowden who was asked how the kids had changed over the past 30 years. He said the kids hadn't changed a bit, but it was the parents (and parenting) that had changed. I'm not saying that to say blame the parents - they're young adults and are responsible for their actions - but if they lack the moral foundation, they're far more likely to find trouble.

RTR,

Tim

Amen to that, brother!

When I was expecting my first baby I asked a trusted aunt what the secret was to raising children that wouldn't embarass me out in public. Her answer was, "Make them act at home like you want them to act when they are not at home."

Guess who is the disciplinarian in the family? It's not their daddy! He calls me a sergeant.

Of course, I don't know Johnson's own circumstances, so all of his may not apply to him. But I agree with Tim that we parents share some responsibility for the character of our youth. Those formational years are called "formational" for a reason.

--Laura

 

[ericd]

Saban will take care of it.[/quote]

Well, he's sure not doing a good job of it so far. It's getting rediculous. How many more players will get arrested before he lays down the law? It just doesn't seem like the players are affected by his rules. I'm not impressed so far.

 

[Argo]

Sigh

 

[bamanaf]

All in all, this is probably a minor event in the whole scope of things. Saban will get it fixed before the season starts. This frustrates the coach but he is the perfect teacher and will not give up on his guys whatsoever. He can distinguish the good from the bad and the bad from the very bad. Saban will discipline accordingly and will take pride in teaching those players that want to learn from their mistakes. Coach doesn't like these situations but these are the reasons he came back to the college scene, to teach and turn boys into productive men and Champions.

 

[Outlaw]

Saban will take care of it.

As will Rashad's father, I'm quite sure.

Correct...