📡 Orgeron Out Season's End: The LSU coaching search.

[Davestwin]

OK, Where is LSU's Stallings, Bear Bryant, Frank Thomas, Wallace Wade? For the Rivals, we have been dominate for a century, had some bad years but mainly consistent

That’s easy. First they had Dietzel … a career .500+/- coach with one great year … so never mind. OK they had Saban and then they had … it’ll come to me … well, they had Saban.

 

[252BAMA]

Why is it elite?

Or more so than Texas or uscw or penn state or Others

Its ONE of top jobs. But hardly elite

2 HCs of late have won NCs. A player fell in their lap ( or unbelievably lucky) Same as AU with Cam....

I have been away from the 'puter for several hours and it looks like your questions and remarks have already been addressed by some others. If anything it looks like we started a good discussion.

 

[TerryP]

First they had Dietzel

He's a great case pointing to the non-elite status. You mention his national title year in '58 and then two years later LSU has a losing record in conference play (2-3-1) and only win five of their ten games. The year following their title than ran up a 9-2 record: best season following a title for that program.

Miles winning a title means elite? Miles team wins a title in '07, the following year they are 3-5 in conference play (won eight in '08.)

Orgeron winning a title means elite? Oh hell, here we go again. The following season they're 5-5: another .500 season like Dietzel's.

 

['65 Cobra]

Am I wrong in the fact that I do not really consider Texas a Blueblood of college football? Below is a little reasoning. Sure, they rank high on total wins, and I think we can attribute that to a lot of easy games being in the conferences they have been in and opponents they have played against. Plus, they have played more than most on the list.

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Recruiting advantages itself create an elite environment. Add in their fan support and I'd rather be there than USC or Texas. Pen State sucks, so I would never want to be there in rhe first place. LSU also gets their coach's back, because if Orgeron and Wade weren't fired, hell, you could do just about anything with the school support.

You would take LSU over USC or Texas??? No thank you. Talk about a recruiting advantage. Do you know how many more elite players come out of California and Texas than Louisiana?

 

[BamaFan334]

You would take LSU over USC or Texas??? No thank you. Talk about a recruiting advantage. Do you know how many more elite players come out of California and Texas than Louisiana?

Well lets look at who has won more Championships the last 10-15 years. LSU has recruited more from home and been more of a threat than Texas or USC. When USC was winning they were recruiting nation wide. Louisiana, considering the population, is on par with the other two per capita. Georgia as well.
Rivals did a comparison recently and California is slipping when it comes to talent actually living up to the ranking. Florida, Texas, and Georgia all rank higher. Even Texas is showing even with elite state talent they can't recruit it nor win with it. The other reason I said I'd take LSU over USC and Texas is due to the barriers you face administration and booster wise. Give me SEC football in Louisiana.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I don't know.
Give me USCw n Hollywood

If you cant get players and a great program

You should coach HS

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

I guess everyone's definition of elite is different, but with mine, LSU is absolutely an elite job.

 

[252BAMA]

I don't know.
Give me USCw n Hollywood n USC Golden Girls

If you cant get players and a great program

You should coach HS

FIFY

 

[mando]

LSU is not elite in my view. I think some people like myself are using blue blood and historically great programs to define elite. High success and ability to sustain it over multiple eras. A really good coach could have success there simply based on recruiting. Could they sustain it? Likely Saban would have but not anyone else has done it.

 

[TerryP]

I guess everyone's definition of elite is different, but with mine, LSU is absolutely an elite job.

Can you, or do you, call the LSU program elite?

We can in terms of fonts/typewriting due to the number of 'characters' always found within a defined space.

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[Rolltide24]

How many teams have won 3+ titles in the last 20 years? (Bama, LSU) 30 years? (Add Florida and FSU) 40 years? ( Add Miami)

LSU is in very rare air these days. Just a data point there.

 

[rammerjammer]

Here is one for you. Would you consider Oklahoma elite?

LSU you has won 3 national championships since OU won their last one, in football.

 

[mando]

Here is one for you. Would you consider Oklahoma elite?

LSU you has won 3 national championships since OU won their last one, in football.

I think the up and down nature of LSU recently and over multiple eras excludes them. I feel the same way about UF/Miami's of the world. Each have had one era of excellence then the bottom falls out or they at least become average. Elite means to me sustained excellence.

 

[#80]

I think a couple of reasons they are referred to as an elite program is first there is no other University in the state to compete with them and second is the amount of instate talent.

 

[Kirk Van de Graaff]

What do you call an elite program? Wins? Nattys? In the now or overall through the years? How much money they can put out there to get what they want? Florida and LSU, to me are in the same boat. Through the years they are not consistent, get a good coach and they get right to the start of elite. Get a decent coach they win a few games and go to a jan1 bowl from time to time. Saban turned LSU around with his beastlike recruiting there in LSU. I could of hired the best OCs and DCs and Head coached that team to 10 wins after he left. Les Miles walked into a gold mine, Orgeron was a QB away from being let go quicker. Burrow was that good, and so was the receivers they had. I am just not ready to call LSU elite. To me, tradition, consistency, Wins, Nattys, and history throughout their tenure puts them in elite status. They are on the edge of it, but put in a historical point of view, I still say no.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

I view elite as a combination of things. Unlike being a blueblood, elite status can more easily fluctuate over time. But, I do think history of the program is a small part of it. Bigger parts, IMO, are the things it takes to not just win, but win championships. Can/will the school pay the big bucks? How is the overall support for the program (positive support or meddling)? What is financial support like for the program overall (assistants, support staff, recruiting, etc.). On auto-pilot can you recruit a good class but with effort recruit a top 5 class? What are facilities and fan support like? I think a lot goes into it, but LSU checks all the boxes. Again though, I think a program can lose elite status if/when boxes lose their checkmarks. Alabama certainly lost their elite status for a while before Saban was hired and rebuilt the program back into elite status (super elite if we are being honest). In the SEC, I think besides Bama and LSU, Georgia and Florida are both elite jobs, right now.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Also, since this is an LSU thread, enjoy…

 

[TerryP]

Here is one for you. Would you consider Oklahoma elite?

LSU you has won 3 national championships since OU won their last one, in football.

In this century OU has only had four teams which didn't record double digits wins. 16 of 20 years with 10 or better wins for the season.

LSU has had twice that many (10.) That's half of the time they are less than 10 wins on the season.

The rings say a lot. The seasons that followed those rings say just as much, if not more.

OU has sustained success. LSU hasn't.

When is the last time OU had a losing conference record?

 

[Rolltide24]

As a fan, I’d rather have the rings to celebrate every few years than the 10 win seasons. Maybe just me. Hell, you’ve got nothing to brag about with a bunch of 10 win seasons. Nothing in the trophy case but Big 12 trophies. You don’t put that on license plates and construct trophy cases for.

 

[Portside]

And mal's choice 2 would have been awful...Petrino